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Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons?
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Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons?
By Ralph Smith
11/28/2005
The Thanksgiving holiday is now over and we have entered the Christmas
season or, perhaps, it's just the holiday season that happens toward
the end of the year.
Christmas season seems to be moving into earlier months each year.
This year, some stores had Christmas ornaments on display in
September--presumably so shoppers could beat the December rush and
start spending money early.
The celebration of Christmas has changed. The vision of Christmas for
some is rooted in Victorian England with scenes of a white landscape
and shoppers bustling around in cold weather and wishing each other
"Merry Christmas" while Christians around the world celebrate the
birth of Christ. For decades, the reality and the popular vision may
have had some connection. The majority of the population lived in the
Northeastern United States where it does snow and it is cold in
December. And, as I recall, most people did wish each other a "Merry
Christmas" at work, in school or in general everyday conversation. The
town squares around many towns often featured a scene with the Three
Wise Men visiting in the manger and bringing gifts to the baby
destined to have such a dramatic impact on the world.
We also had Christmas parties at school and with our friends and
family. Even the federal government had informal Christmas parties.
The punch could not be legally spiked with alcohol but, in the
agencies in which I worked, someone always seemed to find a way to get
around the regulations or just ignored them and brought alcoholic
beverages into the workplace anyway.
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| Title: Re: Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons? |
09 Dec 2005 04:53:47 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500, wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the baptism of the Lord.
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian holidays.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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09 Dec 2005 11:34:25 PM |
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If I didn't get any gifts, I wouldn't BOTHER with Xmas...
Paul
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| User: "duke" |
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10 Dec 2005 07:18:04 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 00:34:25 -0500, Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote:
If I didn't get any gifts, I wouldn't BOTHER with Xmas...
Paul
Ah, two faces of duca I see = "gimme, gimme, gimme" but nothing from me.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bear" |
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09 Dec 2005 05:03:55 PM |
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"duke" wrote
: Christ is the reason for the season.
No, the sun is born in the middle of winter; not the "son".
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Bear
What I am is what I am. Are you what you are or what? -Edie Brickell
It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing,
than to believe what is wrong. -Thomas Jefferson
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10 Dec 2005 06:46:24 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 18:03:55 -0500, "Bear" <bigbearpa@msn.com> wrote:
"duke" wrote
: Christ is the reason for the season.
No, the sun is born in the middle of winter; not the "son".
The sun is born? Wow.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bear" |
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10 Dec 2005 07:00:17 AM |
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"duke" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
: >"duke" wrote
: >: Christ is the reason for the season.
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: >No, the sun is born in the middle of winter; not the "son".
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: The sun is born? Wow.
That's how your myth began.
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Bear
What I am is what I am. Are you what you are or what? -Edie Brickell
It is always better to have no ideas than false ones; to believe nothing,
than to believe what is wrong. -Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Bull Durham" |
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| Title: Re: Re: Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons? |
09 Dec 2005 05:08:10 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:53:47 -0600, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500,
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most
joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to
celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the
baptism of the Lord.
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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And, it would seem, endless years of celebrating
christmas has not changed anything a single bit.
It may make some feel pious and I guess it adds
more money to the collection plate. But in the
end, nothing is accomplished by the religious
holiday called christmas.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons? |
09 Dec 2005 06:18:53 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:08:10 -0600, Bull Durham
<BDurham@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:53:47 -0600, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500,
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most
joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to
celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the
baptism of the Lord.
Rubbish.
It is a pre-Christian holiday that Christianity appropriated. If he
even existed and was born at all, it was in the late Spring (think
shepherds watching their flocks at night and newborn lambs).
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Then why do you expect it to impose your religion?
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
No, moron. Every culture has/had/ midwinter festivals.
Why do you lie about Christmas being under attack when what is
happening, is that you attack and lie about those who celebrate other
midwinter holidays?
duke
That explains it.
How did this moron get out of the kill file?
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
Idiot.
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And, it would seem, endless years of celebrating
christmas has not changed anything a single bit.
It may make some feel pious and I guess it adds
more money to the collection plate. But in the
end, nothing is accomplished by the religious
holiday called christmas.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons? |
10 Dec 2005 07:13:59 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 19:18:53 -0500, Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most
joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to
celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the
baptism of the Lord.
Rubbish.
It is a pre-Christian holiday that Christianity appropriated. If he
even existed and was born at all, it was in the late Spring (think
shepherds watching their flocks at night and newborn lambs).
Uh, noooooooo. What better day to celebrate the NEW harvest of souls in the
new covenant than at the start of the new harvest season?
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Then why do you expect it to impose your religion?
It doesn't. Why do you expect it to provide you with life totally without
exposure to religion?
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
No, moron. Every culture has/had/ midwinter festivals.
Sorry, Christ is the reason for the Christ_mass season, and Baptism (8 days
after Christ_mass) is the start of new life in the Lord.
You need to get your facts straight. Christ is 2000 years old, and football is
100 years old.
Why do you lie about Christmas being under attack when what is
happening, is that you attack and lie about those who celebrate other
midwinter holidays?
I have no problem with you celebrating what ever you want. Just keep your
atheist fingers out of my celebrations.
That explains it.
How did this moron get out of the kill file?
You need the knowledge.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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10 Dec 2005 06:48:02 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:08:10 -0600, Bull Durham <BDurham@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:53:47 -0600, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500,
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most
joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to
celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the
baptism of the Lord.
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
And, it would seem, endless years of celebrating
christmas has not changed anything a single bit.
It may make some feel pious and I guess it adds
more money to the collection plate. But in the
end, nothing is accomplished by the religious
holiday called christmas.
Accomplished? We're celebrating a momentous occasion. Eternal love in the
arms of God. Christ is the reason for the season.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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09 Dec 2005 11:36:26 PM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:08:10 -0600, Bull Durham wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:53:47 -0600, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 14:32:10 -0500,
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
Christ is the reason for the season. It is a most
joyous moment of the birth of
the Messiah, and is proper for Christians to
celebrate. Eight days later (a
secular holiday of "new years", we celebrate the
baptism of the Lord.
The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of
the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances.
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
Well, not really.
There're actually government holidays.
And hospital emergency rooms sure aren't on "holiday".
They're trying to save the lives of the people that
the drunken Christians have run over.
Your "typical Christian" is to Christ as ______________
is to _____________________________________________.
Gray Shockley
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Anyone who knows the answer before knowing
the question is re-acting from dogma rather
than acting with human rational intelligence.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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And, it would seem, endless years of celebrating
christmas has not changed anything a single bit.
It may make some feel pious and I guess it adds
more money to the collection plate. But in the
end, nothing is accomplished by the religious
holiday called christmas.
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10 Dec 2005 07:16:35 AM |
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On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 23:36:26 -0600, Gray Shockley <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote:
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
Well, not really.
There're actually government holidays.
Nooooo, they are Christian holidays that the government gives workers paid
holiday.
So is all Sundays, the Christian first day.
And hospital emergency rooms sure aren't on "holiday".
Neither are soldiers, and police, and fireman.
They're trying to save the lives of the people that
the drunken Christians have run over.
The drunkards are the atheists.
Anyone who knows the answer before knowing
the question is re-acting from dogma rather
than acting with human rational intelligence.
What question?
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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10 Dec 2005 12:20:52 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:16:35 -0600, "'duke'" wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 2, Gray Shockley wrote:
Christmas and Baptism of the lord are Christian
holidays.
Well, not really.
There're actually government holidays.
Nooooo, they are Christian holidays that the government gives workers paid
holiday.
So is all Sundays, the Christian first day.
And hospital emergency rooms sure aren't on "holiday".
Neither are soldiers, and police, and fireman.
That's right, "'duke'". And I never signed for anyone
at the Provost Marshall's that wasn't a "'Christian'".
Was your experience different when you were a Platoon Sergeant or
First Sergeant? And, you certainly smarter, better educated,
braver, more resourceful, have God on your side and brighter,
whiter teeth so I should probably substitute Company/Battery
Commander or Battalion Commander for PSG and 1SG.
They're trying to save the lives of the people that
the drunken Christians have run over.
The drunkards are the atheists.
Anyone who knows the answer before knowing
the question is re-acting from dogma rather
than acting with human rational intelligence.
What question?
Never mind; it was dealing with
abstract ideas and timebinding.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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"The Holy Mass would be of greater profit if
people had it offered in their lifetime, rather
than having it celebrated for the relief of
their souls after death."
- Pope Benedict XV
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And, then, this same Duke Thingie, typed:
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Subject: Re: Is It Christmas or A Holiday Season
To Buy Gifts for Unstated Reasons?
From: duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net>
Date: 12/10/05 6:48 AM
Accomplished? We're celebrating a momentous occasion. Eternal
love in the arms of God. Christ is the reason for the season.
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[chuckle] And what in your diatribe makes you - as a Christian -
different from me - with my God - or atheists - with their
philosophies of life?
Gray Shockley
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Christ is the reason for the season.
Eternal love in the arms of God.
- Duke
(Look at Duke, for instance)
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