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"Paul J. Berg" |
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14 Jul 2007 11:57:52 AM |
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"It's just pot." |
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From The (Portland) Oregonian - July 14, 2007
VERNONIA (Oregon) -- Chatter filled the hot, hazy air here Friday, from
a swimming hole where wrestlers backflip off long knotted ropes to a
senior center thrift shop where tutting ladies pursed their mouths, from
the local credit union where tellers came to tears to the hardware and
auto parts stores where regulars spoke like oracles: The fate of Aaron
Miller was on the minds and lips of Vernonians.
And so was the fate of Miller's champion, Kenneth Cox.
Miller is the elementary school principal who admitted smoking pot last
week when a deputy questioned him at Fort Stevens State Park near
Warrenton; Cox is the school superintendent who welcomed a school board
decision Thursday that leaves the principal on the job.
Vernonia is the school district whose decision to randomly test athletes
for drugs was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1995.
It's the kind of small former logging town where summer vacation equals
fresh-air boredom -- in the woods, along the reservoir, beside the
creek, behind the diner. Canopies of towering fir and cedar shade
fishing holes. A pioneer museum draws visitors down the main
thoroughfare, which crosses one bridge midtown and another on the way
out. Yes, it's called Bridge Street.
A police blotter in The Independent, the weekly newspaper, offers what
you might expect in a place with a population of 2,300: 10 people
stopped for riding bikes without helmets; a runaway taken to social
services; two minors released to their parents after being found with
liquor; a woman arrested for possession of controlled substances; drug
paraphernalia found and destroyed.
"It's rural Oregon," said Jay Nesmith, behind the counter of Vernonia
Hardware. "We've got that laid-back, lefty hippie lifestyle going on
here."
Meaning: Drugs haunt this place.
Signs near the school campus shared by grade, middle and high school
students warn it is a "Tobacco Free Zone." The local chapter of the
Lions Club -- to which Miller, 41, belongs -- supports a program to
educate kids about the dangers of drugs such as marijuana. Students on
sports teams face random urine tests. Failure can lead to suspension,
costly drug rehab classes, loss of ranking.
Miller will face undisclosed disciplinary consequences.
"I have been accused of setting a double standard in taking this
action," Cox wrote in a statement posted on the district's Web site
Friday. "I believe, however, that I have set a higher standard for
Vernonia administrators than for other staff members. Mr. Miller will be
dealt with in a fashion similar to, but more severe than, that which we
deal with students. If a student is caught using drugs they face
consequences -- but being summarily expelled from school is not one of
them."
"They let him slide"
The decision to allow Miller to stay was met with relief at the Vernonia
Country Kitchen, where Shawnna Lloyd delivered baskets of bacon burgers
and grilled ham-and-cheese sandwiches to a pair of patrons.
"He's a nice guy," she said, echoing many here where even childless
residents keep track of teachers and coaches.
Her fifth-grade daughter, Melissa, and kindergartner, Christopher,
attend Washington Grade School, where Miller is the popular principal.
Popularity aside, lifeguard John Murray wondered how students would
react to what amounted to "a slap on the wrist."
"They let him slide," said Murray, 47, never taking his eyes off the
river, dammed for summer, where a dozen kids paddled. "What a horrible
example for them. He's supposed to be a role model. I think he should
have been removed."
Irving Russell, on a bench outside the senior center, agreed.
"They raise hell about kids and drugs," said the 75-year-old retired
bridge inspector, "and then when the principal comes along -- who knows
better -- they exonerate him. Seems to me he and the superintendent
should be brought down."
Teens shrug it off
Just out of town, high school wrestlers Tylor Owen, 16, and Zack
Nutting, 15, swung from ropes at the idyllic swimming hole, an elbow in
the creek where crawdads troll underfoot.
Neither had been born when the school district started mandatory drug
testing of its athletes in 1989, nor two years later when a
seventh-grader, James Acton, refused to take a drug test as part of a
tryout for middle school football. He was banned from playing, and his
parents sued the school district. The case made it to the U.S. Supreme
Court in 1995, and in a 6-3 decision, justices upheld the district's
policy.
But between splashes, the teens said they knew about the history and
about current rules that test them during the wrestling season. They
mentioned classmates and friends who faced discipline for dabbling in
drugs. It didn't seem fair, they said.
Still, they shrugged off Miller's conduct in the state park, where
Deputy Chance Moore approached the principal after sunset and smelled
marijuana. When he asked whether Miller had been smoking pot, the
onetime baseball coach and teacher became visibly upset and said, "I
could be in a lot of trouble for this, but, yes, I have been smoking
marijuana."
The Vernonia School Board called the incident a single act of "poor
judgment," adding that Miller had voiced "very sincere remorse for his
actions."
Owen and Nutting were also willing to let bygones be.
"I don't think he should be taken out just for this," Owen said.
Nutting chimed in, tugging the rope before swinging into the still air:
"It's just pot."
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14 Jul 2007 02:20:20 PM |
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July 12, 2007
=A0
An Open Letter to the Vernonia Community:
=A0
The Vernonia School Board is deeply saddened by the recent actions of
Mr. Miller that resulted in his citation for marijuana possession.=A0Mr.
Miller has been an excellent role model for his students and staff, and
in his prior work as teacher and coach.=A0Our district has appropriate
drug and alcohol policies in place and is committed to enforcing them
for students and staff. We are an active participant with the Vernonia
Community Drug Free Coalition and have developed strong ties with the
Vernonia Police Department in working with our youth to strengthen the
message to both students and parents concerning the pitfalls of all
forms of drug use.
=A0
After reviewing the sheriff's report and conducting an internal
investigation, we have determined that this appears to be a single
incident of poor judgment. =A0Mr. Miller has voiced very sincere remorse
for his actions and a commitment to do whatever it takes to set things
straight.=A0All interactions with Mr. Miller and subsequent
administrative disciplinary actions will be dealt with by the
superintendent, since this is a personnel issue. And because this is a
discipline issue, by law it will not become a public record.=A0
=A0
The Board in no way condones Mr. Miller's actions. What he did was
wrong, especially for a person in his position.=A0However, this incident
did not happen on school time or school grounds, therefore our actions
must adhere to district policy and the statutes of the State of
Oregon.=A0
=A0
During this difficult time, however, we do offer to him and his family
the support of all members of the Vernonia School Board.=A0Working
through difficult times together can only help us grow stronger for our
schools, our students and our community.
=A0
Vernonia School Board Members
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| User: "Werebat" |
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15 Jul 2007 08:31:30 AM |
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
July 12, 2007
An Open Letter to the Vernonia Community:
The Vernonia School Board is deeply saddened by the recent actions of
Mr. Miller that resulted in his citation for marijuana possession. Mr.
Miller has been an excellent role model for his students and staff, and
in his prior work as teacher and coach. Our district has appropriate
drug and alcohol policies in place and is committed to enforcing them
for students and staff. We are an active participant with the Vernonia
Community Drug Free Coalition and have developed strong ties with the
Vernonia Police Department in working with our youth to strengthen the
message to both students and parents concerning the pitfalls of all
forms of drug use.
After reviewing the sheriff's report and conducting an internal
investigation, we have determined that this appears to be a single
incident of poor judgment.
Poor judgement in getting caught, maybe. If you believe that he has
never smoked pot before and will never smoke pot again, then you are a
fool. I don't believe that a person in your position could really be
that foolish.
Mr. Miller has voiced very sincere remorse
for his actions and a commitment to do whatever it takes to set things
straight. All interactions with Mr. Miller and subsequent
administrative disciplinary actions will be dealt with by the
superintendent, since this is a personnel issue. And because this is a
discipline issue, by law it will not become a public record.
The Board in no way condones Mr. Miller's actions. What he did was
wrong, especially for a person in his position. However, this incident
did not happen on school time or school grounds, therefore our actions
must adhere to district policy and the statutes of the State of
Oregon.
During this difficult time, however, we do offer to him and his family
the support of all members of the Vernonia School Board. Working
through difficult times together can only help us grow stronger for our
schools, our students and our community.
Vernonia School Board Members
Oh, this was written by a school board?
That explains a lot.
How many of these people smoke pot themselves, I wonder?
- Ron ^*^
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| User: "Curt" |
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15 Jul 2007 01:16:05 PM |
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"Werebat" <ronpoirier@cox.net> wrote in message
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Oh, this was written by a school board?
That explains a lot.
How many of these people smoke pot themselves, I wonder?
In Vernonia?
Probably most of them. Who cares?
Curt
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| User: "Scratch" |
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15 Jul 2007 07:31:27 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"Werebat" <ronpoirier@cox.net> wrote in message
news:clpmi.36968$LE1.30970@newsfe13.lga...
Oh, this was written by a school board?
That explains a lot.
How many of these people smoke pot themselves, I wonder?
In Vernonia?
Probably most of them. Who cares?
Curt
Concerned American Citizens mr aclu
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| User: "Curt" |
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15 Jul 2007 10:39:21 PM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:
"Werebat" <ronpoirier@cox.net> wrote in message
news:clpmi.36968$LE1.30970@newsfe13.lga...
Oh, this was written by a school board?
That explains a lot.
How many of these people smoke pot themselves, I wonder?
In Vernonia?
Probably most of them. Who cares?
Curt
Concerned American Citizens mr aclu
Speaking as a concerned American, I could give a ***** who smokes The Devil's
Herb. They don't bother me.
Curt
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| User: "Scratch" |
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16 Jul 2007 12:20:23 AM |
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Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQdQeaTbIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Werebat" <ronpoirier@cox.net> wrote in message
news:clpmi.36968$LE1.30970@newsfe13.lga...
Oh, this was written by a school board?
That explains a lot.
How many of these people smoke pot themselves, I wonder?
In Vernonia?
Probably most of them. Who cares?
Curt
Concerned American Citizens mr aclu
Speaking as a concerned American,
ROTFLMAO!!
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| User: "Paul J. Berg" |
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| Title: "It's just pot.": School Superintendent's Statement |
14 Jul 2007 02:12:27 PM |
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July 12, 2007
=A0
Patrons of the VernoniaSchool District:
=A0
When I first learned of the incident with Mr. Miller, I was heartsick --
not only out of concern for Mr. Miller and his family, but for the
impact this would have on our community.=A0I've met with Mr. Miller to
express my disappointment. =A0What he did was wrong and I do not in any
way condone his actions.=A0On the other hand, Mr. Miller is an excellent
administrator.=A0He has also been a successful teacher, coach and
building principal and works well with students and staff.
To make the best decision possible, I've spent a great deal of time
reviewing District policy and discussing the matter with our attorney
and others from both inside and outside our community.=A0Since this is a
District personnel issue, its resolution lands squarely on my shoulders
and not the School Board.=A0Their only responsibility in hiring and/or
dismissing personnel in the District starts and stops with the
superintendent.=A0They have hired me to administer district business.
=A0
My ultimate responsibility however, even more than answering to the
Board of Directors, is to the safety, welfare, and educational
betterment of our students. Whenever I come to a difficult decision I
reflect upon this and, after consultation with others, base my decision
on what I feel would be best for our children.=A0It is for their
long-term benefit that I have decided to retain Mr. Miller in his
current position as principal.
=A0
Because this is a personnel matter and in light of our current policy
and potential legal implications, I cannot share with you all I would
like to -- nor reveal any of the consequences that will take place
concerning this matter.=A0However, I can assure you there will be
consequences.
=A0
I have been accused of setting a double standard in taking this
action.=A0I believe, however, that I have set a higher standard for
Vernonia administrators than for other staff members.=A0Mr. Miller will
be dealt with in a fashion similar to, but more severe than, that which
we deal with students.=A0If a student is caught using drugs they face
consequences -- =A0but being summarily expelled from school is not one
of them.
=A0
I recognize that my actions and those of Mr. Miller are causing concern
in our community.=A0The extent to which this comes true will depend on
each community member's ability to support this decision and move
forward, making the best we can of a difficult situation.
=A0
Sincerely,
Kenneth W. Cox, PhD
Superintendent
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| User: "Scratch" |
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15 Jul 2007 10:36:43 AM |
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
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From The (Portland) Oregonian - July 14, 2007
VERNONIA (Oregon) -- Chatter filled the hot, hazy air here Friday, from
a swimming hole where wrestlers backflip off long knotted ropes to a
senior center thrift shop where tutting ladies pursed their mouths, from
the local credit union where tellers came to tears to the hardware and
auto parts stores where regulars spoke like oracles: The fate of Aaron
Miller was on the minds and lips of Vernonians.
And so was the fate of Miller's champion, Kenneth Cox.
Miller is the elementary school principal who admitted smoking pot last
week when a deputy questioned him at Fort Stevens State Park near
Warrenton; Cox is the school superintendent who welcomed a school board
decision Thursday that leaves the principal on the job.
Vernonia is the school district whose decision to randomly test athletes
for drugs was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1995.
It's the kind of small former logging town where summer vacation equals
fresh-air boredom -- in the woods, along the reservoir, beside the
creek, behind the diner. Canopies of towering fir and cedar shade
fishing holes. A pioneer museum draws visitors down the main
thoroughfare, which crosses one bridge midtown and another on the way
out. Yes, it's called Bridge Street.
A police blotter in The Independent, the weekly newspaper, offers what
you might expect in a place with a population of 2,300: 10 people
stopped for riding bikes without helmets; a runaway taken to social
services; two minors released to their parents after being found with
liquor; a woman arrested for possession of controlled substances; drug
paraphernalia found and destroyed.
"It's rural Oregon," said Jay Nesmith, behind the counter of Vernonia
Hardware. "We've got that laid-back, lefty hippie lifestyle going on
here."
Meaning: Drugs haunt this place.
Signs near the school campus shared by grade, middle and high school
students warn it is a "Tobacco Free Zone." The local chapter of the
Lions Club -- to which Miller, 41, belongs -- supports a program to
educate kids about the dangers of drugs such as marijuana. Students on
sports teams face random urine tests. Failure can lead to suspension,
costly drug rehab classes, loss of ranking.
Miller will face undisclosed disciplinary consequences.
"I have been accused of setting a double standard in taking this
action," Cox wrote in a statement posted on the district's Web site
Friday. "I believe, however, that I have set a higher standard for
Vernonia administrators than for other staff members. Mr. Miller will be
dealt with in a fashion similar to, but more severe than, that which we
deal with students. If a student is caught using drugs they face
consequences -- but being summarily expelled from school is not one of
them."
"They let him slide"
The decision to allow Miller to stay was met with relief at the Vernonia
Country Kitchen, where Shawnna Lloyd delivered baskets of bacon burgers
and grilled ham-and-cheese sandwiches to a pair of patrons.
"He's a nice guy," she said, echoing many here where even childless
residents keep track of teachers and coaches.
Her fifth-grade daughter, Melissa, and kindergartner, Christopher,
attend Washington Grade School, where Miller is the popular principal.
Popularity aside, lifeguard John Murray wondered how students would
react to what amounted to "a slap on the wrist."
"They let him slide," said Murray, 47, never taking his eyes off the
river, dammed for summer, where a dozen kids paddled. "What a horrible
example for them. He's supposed to be a role model. I think he should
have been removed."
Irving Russell, on a bench outside the senior center, agreed.
"They raise hell about kids and drugs," said the 75-year-old retired
bridge inspector, "and then when the principal comes along -- who knows
better -- they exonerate him. Seems to me he and the superintendent
should be brought down."
Teens shrug it off
Just out of town, high school wrestlers Tylor Owen, 16, and Zack
Nutting, 15, swung from ropes at the idyllic swimming hole, an elbow in
the creek where crawdads troll underfoot.
Neither had been born when the school district started mandatory drug
testing of its athletes in 1989, nor two years later when a
seventh-grader, James Acton, refused to take a drug test as part of a
tryout for middle school football. He was banned from playing, and his
parents sued the school district. The case made it to the U.S. Supreme
Court in 1995, and in a 6-3 decision, justices upheld the district's
policy.
But between splashes, the teens said they knew about the history and
about current rules that test them during the wrestling season. They
mentioned classmates and friends who faced discipline for dabbling in
drugs. It didn't seem fair, they said.
Still, they shrugged off Miller's conduct in the state park, where
Deputy Chance Moore approached the principal after sunset and smelled
marijuana. When he asked whether Miller had been smoking pot, the
onetime baseball coach and teacher became visibly upset and said, "I
could be in a lot of trouble for this, but, yes, I have been smoking
marijuana."
The Vernonia School Board called the incident a single act of "poor
judgment," adding that Miller had voiced "very sincere remorse for his
actions."
Owen and Nutting were also willing to let bygones be.
"I don't think he should be taken out just for this," Owen said.
Nutting chimed in, tugging the rope before swinging into the still air:
"It's just pot."
Wonder if he will be the poster child for the left's "war on drugs now".
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| User: "Gatt" |
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16 Jul 2007 10:12:53 AM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
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Owen and Nutting were also willing to let bygones be. "I don't think he
should be taken out just for this," Owen said. Nutting chimed in, tugging
the rope before swinging into the still air:
"It's just pot."
In other words, a some of the locals are probably growing it to put their
kids through college, which is how it works in northern California.
All he had to do was say "I didn't talk about it because there are some
things you don't talk about in front of children. Like sex. It's not
appropriate to talk about these things in front of children because these
are things that belong in the realm of adulthood."
-c
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| User: "Paul J. Berg" |
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14 Jul 2007 03:54:51 PM |
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School principal Aaron Miller is a drug-addict and is no example for the
children of Vernonia, Oregon or anywhere else.
This is the example that lets children think that it is O.K. to do
drugs.
If Mr. Miller was the school's janitor would he still have his job?
perhaps. But he is in such a significant position that it doesn't matter
how nice he is, he has an addiction and the children may be a risk.
Watching Dr. Cox, the Vernonia School Superintendent, on the news, he
knows his decision to keep Mr. Miller is wrong.
My question would be, if Principal Miller is sneaking around doing
drugs, what else does he think he can get away with.
It's a fact that going easy on marijuana possession may lead to other
behavior which is unacceptable.
Aaron Miller is in a position of authority over children, and should be
held to a high standard of setting a proper example for the youth under
his care.
Where does the Vernonia School Board and its Superintendent draw the
line? The line is clear for students who wish to participate in school
sports, fail a random drug test and you're off the team and required to
undergo drug counselling. But, for Mr. Miller we hear the excuse that
the marijuana use did not take place on school property, are the student
athletes given the same consideration?
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| User: "Bo Raxo" |
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14 Jul 2007 08:47:03 PM |
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"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message
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School principal Aaron Miller is a drug-addict and is no example for the
children of Vernonia, Oregon or anywhere else.
Marijuana is not addictive, and there is no evidence that he is even a
habitual user, much less an addict.
This is the example that lets children think that it is O.K. to do
drugs.
No, your attitude is an example of the oversimplification that makes
children not believe adults when they talk about drugs. Lumping together all
drugs, from marijuana to crack, under the same heading, calling someone a
drug addict when they are using a substance that isn't even addictive, it's
these kind of stupid mistakes that explain why adults have little
credibility when they try to demonize all drugs with kids.
If Mr. Miller was the school's janitor would he still have his job?
If he was the school's janitor, would the school board have even found out
about the citation? Would it have made the news?
perhaps. But he is in such a significant position that it doesn't matter
how nice he is, he has an addiction and the children may be a risk.
How are children at risk if he smokes pot on the weekend? A significant
percentage of those teenagers - and their parents - have smoked marijuana,
if they are in any way representative of statistical averages.
Watching Dr. Cox, the Vernonia School Superintendent, on the news, he
knows his decision to keep Mr. Miller is wrong.
My question would be, if Principal Miller is sneaking around doing
drugs, what else does he think he can get away with.
He was in a public park - that's hardly sneaking. If he was "sneaking
around" he wouldn't have been caught. Duh.
As for the "what else does he think he can get away with", that's the
silliest slippery slope argument I've seen here in months.
It's a fact that going easy on marijuana possession may lead to other
behavior which is unacceptable.
Really? Then give us a cite proving it.
Aaron Miller is in a position of authority over children, and should be
held to a high standard of setting a proper example for the youth under
his care.
Quite true. The question is what that standard is. If he got a DUI, would
you fire him? That's a more serious crime, a misdemeanor, as compared to
the infraction he committed. What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation. What about shoplifting -
should that get him fired?
Where does the Vernonia School Board and its Superintendent draw the
line?
Apparently, at misdemeanors and not infractions.
The line is clear for students who wish to participate in school
sports, fail a random drug test and you're off the team and required to
undergo drug counselling.
Do they subject student athletes to random drug tests? I'd like to see a
cite.
But, for Mr. Miller we hear the excuse that
the marijuana use did not take place on school property, are the student
athletes given the same consideration?
Mr. Miller is an adult. That's why he's allowed behaviors that students are
not.
Bo Raxo
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| User: "Ted Mittelstaedt" |
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15 Jul 2007 03:20:09 AM |
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"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message
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School principal Aaron Miller is a drug-addict and is no example for the
children of Vernonia, Oregon or anywhere else.
Marijuana is not addictive, and there is no evidence that he is even a
habitual user, much less an addict.
Your right, he isn't a drug addict.
But, he IS a drug ABUSER.
I used to smoke pot myself and am very aware of it's effects. Anybody
that smokes weed knows that it's illegal. And, is the smoker is USING pot,
the ARE NOT going to be smoking it in public, much less a park that
is miles from home.
You have a school principal here who is risking his job and possibly his
remaining career so he can smoke some grass in a public park. In short,
the guy cannot even wait an hour to get home and have a toke.
For all the defenders out there, how exactly was this guy supposed
to get home from this park he was toking out in? Walk home? I
very much doubt it. No, he was just going to toke out and then
get in his car and drive home. As in, under the influence.
This is the example that lets children think that it is O.K. to do
drugs.
No, your attitude is an example of the oversimplification that makes
children not believe adults when they talk about drugs. Lumping together
all
drugs, from marijuana to crack, under the same heading, calling someone a
drug addict when they are using a substance that isn't even addictive,
it's
these kind of stupid mistakes that explain why adults have little
credibility when they try to demonize all drugs with kids.
Teenagers today know the score on pot perfectly well. They are intelligent
enough to know that a teacher is pretty much required by school policy
to say that recreational drug use is bad.
What kids today need is positive examples of role models. I would not call
an adult who takes as stupid a risk as this guy did any kind of positive
role
model. To me, him smoking pot ina public park is as stupid as riding a
motorcycle without a helmet.
If Mr. Miller was the school's janitor would he still have his job?
If he was the school's janitor, would the school board have even found out
about the citation? Would it have made the news?
Irrelevant, schools are not holding up janitors as role models.
perhaps. But he is in such a significant position that it doesn't matter
how nice he is, he has an addiction and the children may be a risk.
How are children at risk if he smokes pot on the weekend? A significant
percentage of those teenagers - and their parents - have smoked marijuana,
if they are in any way representative of statistical averages.
If he smoks pot on the weekend in the privacy of his home then fine, they
are certainly not at risk. If he does so in a public place, gets high, then
drives home then he's putting a lot of people at risk.
Watching Dr. Cox, the Vernonia School Superintendent, on the news, he
knows his decision to keep Mr. Miller is wrong.
My question would be, if Principal Miller is sneaking around doing
drugs, what else does he think he can get away with.
He was in a public park - that's hardly sneaking. If he was "sneaking
around" he wouldn't have been caught. Duh.
As for the "what else does he think he can get away with", that's the
silliest slippery slope argument I've seen here in months.
It's a fact that going easy on marijuana possession may lead to other
behavior which is unacceptable.
Really? Then give us a cite proving it.
Aaron Miller is in a position of authority over children, and should be
held to a high standard of setting a proper example for the youth under
his care.
Quite true. The question is what that standard is. If he got a DUI,
would
you fire him? That's a more serious crime, a misdemeanor, as compared to
the infraction he committed.
If he was convicted of a DUI I would fire him. However you need to be
very careful what your saying. Most people that get DUI's do NOT get
convicted - they go into a diversion program and in exchange for successful
completion the DUI charges are dropped. Thus, in the eyes of the law
they never had a DUI and if you fire them you had no cause and will
likely have a wrongful dismissal suit.
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
A speeding ticket, depending on the ticket, is not a terrible lapse of
judgement. For example if it's for going 70 in a 65 zone
What about shoplifting -
should that get him fired?
yes. If convicted.
Ted
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15 Jul 2007 09:27:55 AM |
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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"Bo Raxo" <crimenewscenter@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Paul J. Berg" <pjberg@webtv.net> wrote in message
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School principal Aaron Miller is a drug-addict and is no example for
the
children of Vernonia, Oregon or anywhere else.
Marijuana is not addictive, and there is no evidence that he is even a
habitual user, much less an addict.
Your right, he isn't a drug addict.
But, he IS a drug ABUSER.
I used to smoke pot myself and am very aware of it's effects. Anybody
that smokes weed knows that it's illegal. And, is the smoker is USING
pot,
the ARE NOT going to be smoking it in public, much less a park that
is miles from home.
You have a school principal here who is risking his job and possibly his
remaining career so he can smoke some grass in a public park. In short,
the guy cannot even wait an hour to get home and have a toke.
For all the defenders out there, how exactly was this guy supposed
to get home from this park he was toking out in? Walk home? I
very much doubt it. No, he was just going to toke out and then
get in his car and drive home. As in, under the influence.
This is the example that lets children think that it is O.K. to do
drugs.
No, your attitude is an example of the oversimplification that makes
children not believe adults when they talk about drugs. Lumping together
all
drugs, from marijuana to crack, under the same heading, calling someone
a
drug addict when they are using a substance that isn't even addictive,
it's
these kind of stupid mistakes that explain why adults have little
credibility when they try to demonize all drugs with kids.
Teenagers today know the score on pot perfectly well. They are
intelligent
enough to know that a teacher is pretty much required by school policy
to say that recreational drug use is bad.
What kids today need is positive examples of role models. I would not
call
an adult who takes as stupid a risk as this guy did any kind of positive
role
model. To me, him smoking pot ina public park is as stupid as riding a
motorcycle without a helmet.
If Mr. Miller was the school's janitor would he still have his job?
If he was the school's janitor, would the school board have even found
out
about the citation? Would it have made the news?
Irrelevant, schools are not holding up janitors as role models.
perhaps. But he is in such a significant position that it doesn't
matter
how nice he is, he has an addiction and the children may be a risk.
How are children at risk if he smokes pot on the weekend? A significant
percentage of those teenagers - and their parents - have smoked
marijuana,
if they are in any way representative of statistical averages.
If he smoks pot on the weekend in the privacy of his home then fine, they
are certainly not at risk. If he does so in a public place, gets high,
then
drives home then he's putting a lot of people at risk.
Watching Dr. Cox, the Vernonia School Superintendent, on the news, he
knows his decision to keep Mr. Miller is wrong.
My question would be, if Principal Miller is sneaking around doing
drugs, what else does he think he can get away with.
He was in a public park - that's hardly sneaking. If he was "sneaking
around" he wouldn't have been caught. Duh.
As for the "what else does he think he can get away with", that's the
silliest slippery slope argument I've seen here in months.
It's a fact that going easy on marijuana possession may lead to other
behavior which is unacceptable.
Really? Then give us a cite proving it.
Aaron Miller is in a position of authority over children, and should
be
held to a high standard of setting a proper example for the youth
under
his care.
Quite true. The question is what that standard is. If he got a DUI,
would
you fire him? That's a more serious crime, a misdemeanor, as compared
to
the infraction he committed.
If he was convicted of a DUI I would fire him. However you need to be
very careful what your saying. Most people that get DUI's do NOT get
convicted - they go into a diversion program and in exchange for
successful
completion the DUI charges are dropped. Thus, in the eyes of the law
they never had a DUI and if you fire them you had no cause and will
likely have a wrongful dismissal suit.
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
A speeding ticket, depending on the ticket, is not a terrible lapse of
judgement. For example if it's for going 70 in a 65 zone
What about shoplifting -
should that get him fired?
yes. If convicted.
Ted
Very well written post, ted. I concur on all counts.
td
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15 Jul 2007 05:00:57 AM |
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
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15 Jul 2007 10:42:01 AM |
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Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
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| User: "Curt" |
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15 Jul 2007 01:20:50 PM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot. I merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an ounce.
It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long list of things you
aren't aware of?
Curt
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15 Jul 2007 07:32:36 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot. I merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an ounce.
It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long list of things you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know such
things.
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| User: "Curt" |
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15 Jul 2007 10:40:59 PM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQZQeaQRIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana
is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of
judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of
The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be
careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot. I
merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an ounce.
It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long list of things
you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know such
things.
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
Curt
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| User: "Scratch" |
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16 Jul 2007 12:21:10 AM |
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Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQZQeaQRIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana
is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of
judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of
The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be
careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot. I
merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an ounce.
It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long list of things
you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know such
things.
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
Curt
pass the doobie dude! Yes I'm sure you are.
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| User: "Curt" |
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16 Jul 2007 04:12:12 PM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:ZpCdnd3Md___nAbbnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQZQeaQRIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of marijuana
is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of
judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce of
The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction. I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to
make
a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be
careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot. I
merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an
ounce.
It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long list of
things
you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know
such
things.
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
Curt
pass the doobie dude! Yes I'm sure you are.
In my profession, one is required to be. I don't know what real estate
salesmen need to know about. Clearly not the criminal statutes of the state
of Oregon. Fair enough.
Curt
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| User: "Gatt" |
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16 Jul 2007 10:38:29 AM |
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"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:ZpCdnd3Md___nAbbnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@comcast.com...
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
pass the doobie dude! Yes I'm sure you are.
Wow, Curt. Now it's a discredit to your character to understand Oregon
laws.
Go figure.
-c
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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16 Jul 2007 12:45:33 AM |
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Scratch <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote:
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQZQeaQRIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of
marijuana
is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of
judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce
of
The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction.
I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to
make a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be
careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot.
I
merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an
ounce. It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long
list of things
you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know
such things.
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
Curt
pass the doobie dude! Yes I'm sure you are.
Tut, Tut. First it's using words like 'Doobie', next thing you know
you'll be playing pool!
How is the new Die Hard?
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| User: "Scratch" |
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16 Jul 2007 12:44:52 AM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
Scratch <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote:
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:rqadnQZQeaQRIAfbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Scratch" <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:7YKdnTjTlYtB3QfbnZ2dnUVZ_ufinZ2d@comcast.com...
Curt wrote:
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$yfo7lj$ly$1@news.ipinc.net...
What about a speeding ticket - that's an
infraction on par with the majijuana citation.
No it isn't. Possession of marijuana is a crime. USe of
marijuana
is
also
a
crime. So he is guilty of two crimes and a terrible lapse of
judgement.
I'm going to (safely) assume here that he had less than an ounce
of
The
Devil's Herb on him -- so no, no crime here. Just an infraction.
I
believe
it's a $600 ticket.
Curt
you missed (As always) or snipped the very thing Ted was trying to
make a point of. Congratulations on your 100% failure.
Um, Larry. When you're going to call someone wrong, you should be
careful to
be right.
Ted said the guy was guilty of a crime for smoking and having pot.
I
merely
corrected him. There's no Oregon crime if you've got less than an
ounce. It's an infraction. Or is this merely another in the long
list of things
you
aren't aware of?
Curt
Sorry, I guess I just don't hang with the same bunch you do to know
such things.
Yeh -- my bunch is informed as to the ORS's.
Curt
pass the doobie dude! Yes I'm sure you are.
Tut, Tut. First it's using words like 'Doobie', next thing you know
you'll be playing pool!
How is the new Die Hard?
Absolutely Awesome! Non stop action all the way through. Just not really
anything I could say bad about it. I think you might like the F-35 scene.
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: "It's just pot.": Double Standard? |
16 Jul 2007 12:56:52 AM |
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Scratch <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote:
How is the new Die Hard?
Absolutely Awesome! Non stop action all the way through. Just not really
anything I could say bad about it. I think you might like the F-35 scene.
Thanks.
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| User: "Gatt" |
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| Title: Re: "It's just pot.": Double Standard? |
16 Jul 2007 06:55:08 PM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:EMDmi.4939$Wh4.4509@trndny06...
Scratch <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote:
Absolutely Awesome! Non stop action all the way through. Just not really
anything I could say bad about it. I think you might like the F-35 scene.
Thanks.
Not "action" per se, but this is probably the most breathtaking aviation
cinematography I've ever seen. Turns old fighter pilots into little girls:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MahVsiQ98
It's from One Six Right, which is a documentary about the Van Nuys Airport.
Guys are installing stereo systems in their airplanes just so they can
listen to the soundtrack in flight.
-c
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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| Title: Re: "It's just pot.": Double Standard? |
16 Jul 2007 07:07:29 PM |
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"Gatt" <gatt@juggerFUbot.com> wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:EMDmi.4939$Wh4.4509@trndny06...
Scratch <Larry_Tigard@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote:
Absolutely Awesome! Non stop action all the way through. Just not
really anything I could say bad about it. I think you might like the
F-35 scene.
Thanks.
Not "action" per se, but this is probably the most breathtaking
aviation cinematography I've ever seen. Turns old fighter pilots into
little girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MahVsiQ98
Cool! Wish they'd shown more of the pusher.
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| User: "Gatt" |
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| Title: Re: "It's just pot.": Double Standard? |
16 Jul 2007 07:27:22 PM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5LTmi.6677$7R4.604@trndny09...
Not "action" per se, but this is probably the most breathtaking
aviation cinematography I've ever seen. Turns old fighter pilots into
little girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MahVsiQ98
Cool! Wish they'd shown more of the pusher.
Yeah, I'm not sure what that is.
Here's a pusher I've been keeping my eyes on:
http://www.skyarrowusa.com/photos.asp Something like $80,000 new because
they can't manufacture them fast enough yet. Hopefully they'll come down in
a few years. About 17 nmpg at 95 knots (107 mph) and it'll run on 91
octane auto fuel.
The cockpit shape reminds me of an attack helicopter, which is probably a
major selling feature as well.
-c
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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16 Jul 2007 08:51:27 PM |
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"Gatt" <gatt@juggerFUbot.com> wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:5LTmi.6677$7R4.604@trndny09...
Not "action" per se, but this is probably the most breathtaking
aviation cinematography I've ever seen. Turns old fighter pilots
into little girls: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_MahVsiQ98
Cool! Wish they'd shown more of the pusher.
Yeah, I'm not sure what that is.
Here's a pusher I've been keeping my eyes on:
http://www.skyarrowusa.com/photos.asp Something like $80,000 new
because they can't manufacture them fast enough yet. Hopefully
they'll come down in a few years. About 17 nmpg at 95 knots (107
mph) and it'll run on 91 octane auto fuel.
Neat. And that gas mileage is pretty damn good.
The cockpit shape reminds me of an attack helicopter, which is
probably a major selling feature as well.
Also looks a bit like an amphibious.
Like so: <http://aircraftinnovation.com/photos/index.html>
-c
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17 Jul 2007 09:39:07 AM |
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"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zgVmi.3096$4J4.1173@trndny05...
Also looks a bit like an amphibious.
Like so: <http://aircraftinnovation.com/photos/index.html>
Those are spendy but they've always been one of my favorites.
Back in 1989 or 1990 there was a report of one flying under a bridge in
downtown, which is illegal (even though it's an amphib.) Law enforcement
was all over the place looking for it. Before I heard the news I saw one
being pushed into a hangar at Troutdale. They're not very common airplanes,
so I have a hunch that was it. Don't know whatever happened.
-c
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| Title: Re: "It's just pot.": Double Standard? |
17 Jul 2007 03:45:52 PM |
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"Gatt" <gatt@juggerFUbot.com> wrote:
"Lobby Dosser" <lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zgVmi.3096$4J4.1173@trndny05...
Also looks a bit like an amphibious.
Like so: <http://aircraftinnovation.com/photos/index.html>
Those are spendy but they've always been one of my favorites.
Back in 1989 or 1990 there was a report of one flying under a bridge
in downtown, which is illegal (even though it's an amphib.) Law
enforcement was all over the place looking for it. Before I heard the
news I saw one being pushed into a hangar at Troutdale. They're not
very common airplanes, so I have a hunch that was it. Don't know
whatever happened.
One of my uncles was a navigator on a Sunderland Flying Boat during WWII.
They picked up downed air crew in the channel and hunted U-Boats.
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