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08 Nov 2005 03:24:37 AM |
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Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values |
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblogs/mohler/?adate=11/07/2005
[excerpt]
Albert Mohler
Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary
Monday, November 7, 2005
Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values
Former president Jimmy Carter has written yet another book -- his twentieth
-- and he has hit the media circuit in order to promote his latest project.
Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis represents the former
president's return to familiar themes, even as it will add new layers of
confusion concerning his actual beliefs and values.
Jimmy Carter makes one central argument in this new book, and that is that
America (indeed civilization itself) is under attack by a sinister force.
In effect, he argues that a new specter now haunts civilization -- the
specter of Christian fundamentalism.
After tracing a series of crises faced by the United States and the larger
world, Mr. Carter places the blame squarely upon conservative Christians:
"The most important factor is that fundamentalists have become increasingly
influential in both religion and government, and have managed to change the
nuances and subtleties of historic debate into black-and-white rigidities
and the personal derogation of those who dare to disagree. At the same
time, these religious and political conservatives have melded their
efforts, bridging the formerly respected separation of church and state."
That's quite an argument, but those familiar with Jimmy Carter's mode of
public engagement will understand that this is merely the expansion (and
repetition) of what the former president has been saying ever since the
American people denied him a second term in the Oval Office.
[end excerpt]
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respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:58:59 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:29:27 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131477407.930632.233610@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, if he is not President, who cares what Jimmy Carter has to say.
After all, he failed an election, and, as you point out, is a common
citizen that apparently cannot create the least bit of peace in any of
the places he goes. You are right. He's a washed up nobody. Why do
you quote the words of nobodies? I can quote nobodies. Do you want me
to?
He's a nobody who in his life as a civilian has probably done more
to promote world peace, democratic elections, and the worldwide
relief of poverty than any sitting president, himself included,
ever did.
I'd say that this alone makes him worthy of some attention. That
he does it all in Christ's name would seem to make it worthy
of your attention.
He's a prominent figure who tries to accomplish the very kinds of thing that
Jesus demanded, decent housing for those who could not otherwise afford it
being
the foremost example. Less well known, but probably of greater impact,
are his campaigns to alleviate the ravages of such diseases as shistosomiasis
and Guinea worm disease.
For the life of me, I have trouble understanding why so many fundamentalist
Christians, those who claim to take Jesus most at His word, have such
a distaste for him.
-- cary
He makes fake Christians feel guilty?
Has Clifton or Knight or Poopsie Oopsey or their humble followers
ever uttered "Christ-like" statements?
I don't remember any. As far as I'm concerned, that group of wacks
can be used as examples of what a "peckerhead" is.
++ gray
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Which part of " Former president Jimmy Carter" didn't you comprehend dumb
dumb?
Contiune replying to my posts and making a comlete ***** of yourself. I love
it .
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/weblogs/mohler/?adate=3D11/07/2005
[excerpt]
Albert Mohler
Author, Speaker, President of the Southern Baptist Theological Semin=
ary
Monday, November 7, 2005
Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values
Former president Jimmy Carter has written yet another book -- his tw=
entieth
-- and he has hit the media circuit in order to promote his latest p=
roject.
Our Endangered Values: America's Moral Crisis represents the former
president's return to familiar themes, even as it will add new layer=
s of
confusion concerning his actual beliefs and values.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:22:28 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
lojbab
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| User: "The Fool" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:27:49 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
lojbab
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years, commenting on where the left is
getting it wrong and where he had been proven right. Carter will be
long gone by then.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:09:05 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years,
I'm not sure he is capable of writing a coherent paragraph.
commenting on where the left is
getting it wrong and where he had been proven right.
You haven't been paying attention to the polls lately. And the right
is getting almost as fed up with Bush as the left is.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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09 Nov 2005 11:19:18 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years,
I'm not sure he is capable of writing a coherent paragraph.
Yeah, that one pretty much put me on the floor too. Winston
Churchill Shrub is not.
-- cary
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14 Nov 2005 11:46:14 AM |
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With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking
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commenting on where the left is getting it wrong and where
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Dubya can write?
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| User: "Mickey" |
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08 Nov 2005 04:44:03 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
lojbab
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years, commenting on where the left is
getting it wrong and where he had been proven right. Carter will be
long gone by then.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
Or G.W. post 2008 may follow the tradition of many former presidents and
refrain from public critism of a sitting president.
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| User: "The Fool" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:31:15 PM |
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The Fool wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
lojbab
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years, commenting on where the left is
getting it wrong and where he had been proven right. Carter will be
long gone by then.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
I'm thinking one example could be, "A French Example of Appeasement's
Failures."
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Paul Duca" |
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14 Nov 2005 01:10:32 AM |
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in article 1131485269.105575.52250@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, The Fool at
kands00@hotmail.com wrote on 11/8/05 4:27 PM:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you.
Jimmy Carter hasn't been president for 25 years now. As a private
citizen, he is entitled to do whatever he wants, so long as it doesn't
violate the law. And there are no relevant laws.
lojbab
With as young as George W is, I'm personally looking forward to about
10 books by George over the years, commenting on where the left is
getting it wrong and where he had been proven right.
And how much money will that put into your pocket or mine?
Paul
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:51:21 AM |
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In article <1131462858.675243.34320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Last time I read a newspaper, Goerge W. was the president and Jimmy
Carter was just a civilian, flying about the world, hammer in hand,
trying to do those things Jesus commanded with regard to
helping and comforting the poor and the disadvantaged.
-- cary
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| User: "The Fool" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:01:01 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131462858.675243.34320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Last time I read a newspaper, Goerge W. was the president and Jimmy
Carter was just a civilian, flying about the world, hammer in hand,
trying to do those things Jesus commanded with regard to
helping and comforting the poor and the disadvantaged.
-- cary
It really wouldn't matter...would it? If he has any greater influence,
it is because of his position in state. Therefore, his state position
sticks with him. Isn't that the reason that teachers were being sued
for praying at ball games and such? I'm not saying that Carter
shouldn't be free to express his position, but I guarentee you that
when George W retires, they will still be rebuking every religious
thing he says in retirement.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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08 Nov 2005 03:23:50 PM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
It really wouldn't matter...would it? If he has any greater influence,
it is because of his position in state.
He has no position in state.
The constitution defines no status or office called "ex-president".
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:19:31 PM |
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In article <1131470097.106932.232280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131462858.675243.34320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Last time I read a newspaper, Goerge W. was the president and Jimmy
Carter was just a civilian, flying about the world, hammer in hand,
trying to do those things Jesus commanded with regard to
helping and comforting the poor and the disadvantaged.
-- cary
It really wouldn't matter...would it? If he has any greater influence,
it is because of his position in state.
He is no longer an agent of the government. Thus any religious
gesture he may make is in no way under the color of governmental
authority.
Therefore, his state position
sticks with him. Isn't that the reason that teachers were being sued
for praying at ball games and such?
Nope. School districts get sued (not teachers), and that only because they
are current agents of the state. If a school teacher quits the
public school system and sets up his own little homeschool, no one
cares what he may teach. And the Constitution no longer cares
what Jimmy Carter practices.
I'm not saying that Carter
shouldn't be free to express his position, but I guarentee you that
when George W retires, they will still be rebuking every religious
thing he says in retirement.
"Rebuking" or "taken to court"? If the latter, I can think of
no instance where a single retired President, conservative
or otherwise, has been legally challenged for any post-presidental
religious activities.
Can you? And if you cannot, why do you assume people will suddenly
start doing so with Shrub?
-- cary
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| Title: Rove/Libby/BabyBush/Halliburton Enemies' List [was: Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values] |
08 Nov 2005 10:39:58 PM |
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Be the first family named by Frist,
To have your family on the list.
If you think Frist is a cowardee,
Just wait til he starts World War Three.
If you think evil and vile ethics won't be missed,
Just wait til you see that Senator Frist's list.
If you think it's going down,
Frist'll be BabyBush's clown.
If you think that Frist is really a man;
Remember he knows what to kiss - and - when.
Watching Frist have a temper-tantrum sore,
Reminds us that Frist is an expensive *****.
So, do the way that you were trained,
And send that boy on down the drain.
[moore below]
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:19:31 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131470097.106932.232280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "The Fool"
<kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131462858.675243.34320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The
Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Last time I read a newspaper, Goerge W. was the president and Jimmy
Carter was just a civilian, flying about the world, hammer in hand,
trying to do those things Jesus commanded with regard to
helping and comforting the poor and the disadvantaged.
-- cary
It really wouldn't matter...would it? If he has any greater influence,
it is because of his position in state.
He is no longer an agent of the government. Thus any religious
gesture he may make is in no way under the color of governmental
authority.
Therefore, his state position
sticks with him. Isn't that the reason that teachers were being sued
for praying at ball games and such?
Nope. School districts get sued (not teachers), and that only because they
are current agents of the state. If a school teacher quits the
public school system and sets up his own little homeschool, no one
cares what he may teach. And the Constitution no longer cares
what Jimmy Carter practices.
I'm not saying that Carter
shouldn't be free to express his position, but I guarentee you that
when George W retires, they will still be rebuking every religious
thing he says in retirement.
"Rebuking" or "taken to court"? If the latter, I can think of
no instance where a single retired President, conservative
or otherwise, has been legally challenged for any post-presidental
religious activities.
Can you? And if you cannot, why do you assume people will suddenly
start doing so with Shrub?
-- cary
I just can't see it.
With Roy S Moore as President and Pat Robertson as the new, younger
***** U Cheney, Jerry Falwell as the Secretary of State, Gary Bauer
as Secretary of Defense, Zell Miller as Attorney General and Willie
Horton as "Jail the Zell"'s primary assistant and puppet
manipulator, we shall see an administration, the likes of which we
have not witnessed since the administrations of Grant, Nixon and
BabyBush (who has, apparently, the slogan of, "I'm not as smart as
you think").
If you're not on the Karl (George W C Bush43's) Rove's "enemies'
list", you've either gotten lazy or you're as corrupt as the
Rove/Libby administration.
And just who in the Rove/Libby administration was Jeff Gannon
"seeing" on non-press conference days?
Noticing that Jeff Gannon usually used a military motif, could this
be connected with a certain President's military service; his
uttering of "'Bring them on' because I'll be ten thousand miles
away", his "Mission Completed, we just need a few GIs' lives now"
or would it be that, "The Clinton administration had little to no
respect for GIs but I'm only killing them"?
Lesbian? Heck! If ***** U Cheney were my image of a "man" - one
could be nothing less than a lesbian or a male homosexual or, dare
I say it" (I dare! I dare!) a heterosexual - thus defying and
overcoming - the symbol of Cheney as less than a man.
Gray Shockley
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Or whatever.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Rove/Libby/BabyBush/Halliburton Enemies' List [was: Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values] |
09 Nov 2005 10:53:41 AM |
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In article <0001HW.BF96D9BE0005D4ADF0284550@news.giganews.com> writes:
Be the first family named by Frist,
To have your family on the list.
If you think Frist is a cowardee,
Just wait til he starts World War Three.
If you think evil and vile ethics won't be missed,
Just wait til you see that Senator Frist's list.
If you think it's going down,
Frist'll be BabyBush's clown.
If you think that Frist is really a man;
Remember he knows what to kiss - and - when.
Watching Frist have a temper-tantrum sore,
Reminds us that Frist is an expensive *****.
So, do the way that you were trained,
And send that boy on down the drain.
OK, now that's just brilliant.
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Jimmy Carter's Endangered Values |
14 Nov 2005 11:43:24 PM |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:01:01 -0600, The Fool wrote
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1131462858.675243.34320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "The
Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
So, let me get this straight. A President is using his official
position to push a point of view concerning faith, and, suddenly, that
is ok with you. Are you the pot or the kettle now?
Last time I read a newspaper, Goerge W. was the president and Jimmy
Carter was just a civilian, flying about the world, hammer in hand,
trying to do those things Jesus commanded with regard to
helping and comforting the poor and the disadvantaged.
-- cary
It really wouldn't matter...would it? If he has any greater influence,
it is because of his position in state. Therefore, his state position
sticks with him. Isn't that the reason that teachers were being sued
for praying at ball games and such? I'm not saying that Carter
shouldn't be free to express his position, but I guarentee you that
when George W retires, they will still be rebuking every religious
thing he says in retirement.
Ken Clifton
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
"Retirement" presupposes that he's neither
impeached and convicted or that he resigns to
avoid being impeached and convicted.
There are Republican Rednecks around here
(Mississippi) that are starting to, very
tentatively, talk about supporting Hillary
Clinton.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Gray Shockley
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Shockley's Exception to Godwin's
Law: When someone is quoting
hitler and his sycophants,
Godwin's Law is irrelevant.
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