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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats |
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small cross
from the county's official seal.
The ACLU threatened to sue the county if it did not remove the Christian
cross -- which symbolizes California's missionary history. On Tuesday, as
protestors waved signs, the Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to uphold its
earlier decision that the cross must go.
Press reports said Tuesday's meeting was standing room only, drawing the
largest crowd to attend a meeting in many years.
Christians weren't the only ones waving signs. According to the Los Angeles
Daily News, some of the signs read "Jews for the L.A. County Seal,"
"Buddhists for the Seal," and "Stop the ACLU Nazis."
'Arrogance'
"If people want to keep the cross, they need to remove the Democrats," said
the Campaign for California Families, a conservative group that mobilized
support for keeping the cross in the county seal.
CCF noted that all three people voting to remove the cross were Democrats.
The two who voted to keep the cross were Republicans.
In two-and-a-half hours of public testimony, virtually all the speakers
favored keeping the cross, CCF said.
"Those who don't respect the Constitution are doing everything in their
power to remove Christian values in society," said Randy Thomasson, CCF
executive director. "When our founding fathers wrote, 'Congress shall make
no law respecting an establishment of religion,' they didn't mean to yank
crosses off public property."
Thomasson argues that the First Amendment prohibits Congress from creating
an official state denomination, such as the Church of England in Great
Britain.
"While the establishment clause was narrowly written to prohibit an official
'Church of the United States,' the free-exercise clause -- "or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof" -- was meant to guarantee the free flow of
religious expression everywhere else," Thomaason said.
"This freedom includes the right of federal, state, and local governments to
respect and promote Christian symbols such as the cross, or other religious
values the people hold dear. It's the American way."
Thomasson called Tuesday's vote a demonstration of "anti-Christian
arrogance" in Los Angeles.
"Given that Democrats are the only ones attacking the cross, it's obvious
that if people want to keep the cross, they need to remove the Democrats,"
he said.
--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
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09 Jun 2004 08:03:39 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
<snip>
From http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/mrc.htm
Brent Bozell III, runs the MRC [and CNS News]
www.MRC.org
Media Research Center
From Slanting the Story
excerpted at TomPaine.com, April 2001
"...it is Bozell's Media Research Center that stands out as the right's
preeminent media cop. Bozell is a Republican operative with credentials
earned in George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign. The nephew of William F.
Buckley, he headed the Conservative Victory Committee that year. He is also
connected to the Political Club for Growth, a network of conservative and
libertarian activists and groups sympathetic to cutting taxes and shrinking
government.
What Bozell and others perceive as liberal bias often means presenting
information about government help for the poor, the homeless, the weak, and
so on -- information that conflicts with the objectives of the right. Tim
Graham explained that ABC was once "the worst" in its approach to stories.
He said that the Center had seen on ABC what he called "a repeated stream of
stories on victims of spending cuts. ... We don't see victims of tax
hikes..."
....When journalists and their work are noted favorably in the "Kudos"
section of MediaNomics (MRC's newsletter), it helps further the kind of
reporting the right prefers. In December 1998, the newsletter praised "ABC
World News Tonight" for being "one of the pioneers in network investigation
of government waste," and pointed out that "its regular segment 'Your Money'
delves into ways that Americans are being ripped off." In the next issue, it
lauded NBC's "Fleecing of America," a similar show that identifies ways that
the government wastes taxpayers' money. MediaNomics called "Fleecing of
America" along with "Your Money" "one of the best news segments on network
television." Both programs reinforce the view that government is evil,
bungling, and wasteful, which is precisely the message the right wants to
convey.
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"Opposes any traces of liberalism on TV or in films. Chairman L. Brent
Bozell III publishes the newsletter TV, ETC., with an advisory board that
includes Elliot Abrams, Mona Charen, Pete DuPont, and Rush Limbaugh.
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Bozell wrote a scathing piece against Republican Presidential Candidate John
McCain in February 2000 to help George W. Bush.
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09 Jun 2004 09:22:55 PM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small cross
from the county's official seal.
The ACLU threatened to sue the county if it did not remove the Christian
cross -- which symbolizes California's missionary history. On Tuesday, as
protestors waved signs, the Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to uphold its
earlier decision that the cross must go.
Press reports said Tuesday's meeting was standing room only, drawing the
largest crowd to attend a meeting in many years.
Christians weren't the only ones waving signs. According to the Los Angeles
Daily News, some of the signs read "Jews for the L.A. County Seal,"
"Buddhists for the Seal," and "Stop the ACLU Nazis."
'Arrogance'
"If people want to keep the cross, they need to remove the Democrats," said
the Campaign for California Families, a conservative group that mobilized
support for keeping the cross in the county seal.
CCF noted that all three people voting to remove the cross were Democrats.
The two who voted to keep the cross were Republicans.
In two-and-a-half hours of public testimony, virtually all the speakers
favored keeping the cross, CCF said.
"Those who don't respect the Constitution are doing everything in their
power to remove Christian values in society," said Randy Thomasson, CCF
executive director. "When our founding fathers wrote, 'Congress shall make
no law respecting an establishment of religion,' they didn't mean to yank
crosses off public property."
Thomasson argues that the First Amendment prohibits Congress from creating
an official state denomination, such as the Church of England in Great
Britain.
"While the establishment clause was narrowly written to prohibit an official
'Church of the United States,' the free-exercise clause -- "or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof" -- was meant to guarantee the free flow of
religious expression everywhere else," Thomaason said.
"This freedom includes the right of federal, state, and local governments to
respect and promote Christian symbols such as the cross, or other religious
values the people hold dear. It's the American way."
Thomasson called Tuesday's vote a demonstration of "anti-Christian
arrogance" in Los Angeles.
"Given that Democrats are the only ones attacking the cross, it's obvious
that if people want to keep the cross, they need to remove the Democrats,"
he said.
--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
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10 Jun 2004 12:51:00 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small
cross
from the county's official seal.
The ACLU threatened to sue the county if it did not remove the Christian
cross -- which symbolizes California's missionary history. On Tuesday, as
protestors waved signs, the Board of Supervisors voted 3-2 to uphold its
earlier decision that the cross must go.
Press reports said Tuesday's meeting was standing room only, drawing the
largest crowd to attend a meeting in many years.
Christians weren't the only ones waving signs. According to the Los
Angeles
Daily News, some of the signs read "Jews for the L.A. County Seal,"
"Buddhists for the Seal," and "Stop the ACLU Nazis."
'Arrogance'
"If people want to keep the cross, they need to remove the Democrats,"
said
the Campaign for California Families, a conservative group that mobilized
support for keeping the cross in the county seal.
Obviously people like this hate our country and would prefer a fascist
theocracy over a democracy. People like you are why we continually have to
fight to keep our freedom in this country. Otherwise our system would become
a failure and the scum would be in control.
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09 Jun 2004 11:49:59 PM |
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"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
Again, you DELETED the FIRST AMENDMENT to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
STATES.
You probably thought it was lefty communist liberal propaganda.
Here it is again:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
(CNSNews.com) -
<snip>
From http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/mrc.htm
Brent Bozell III, runs the MRC [and CNS News]
www.MRC.org
Media Research Center
From Slanting the Story
excerpted at TomPaine.com, April 2001
"...it is Bozell's Media Research Center that stands out as the right's
preeminent media cop. Bozell is a Republican operative with credentials
earned in George Bush's 1988 presidential campaign. The nephew of William F.
Buckley, he headed the Conservative Victory Committee that year. He is also
connected to the Political Club for Growth, a network of conservative and
libertarian activists and groups sympathetic to cutting taxes and shrinking
government.
What Bozell and others perceive as liberal bias often means presenting
information about government help for the poor, the homeless, the weak, and
so on -- information that conflicts with the objectives of the right. Tim
Graham explained that ABC was once "the worst" in its approach to stories.
He said that the Center had seen on ABC what he called "a repeated stream of
stories on victims of spending cuts. ... We don't see victims of tax
hikes..."
....When journalists and their work are noted favorably in the "Kudos"
section of MediaNomics (MRC's newsletter), it helps further the kind of
reporting the right prefers. In December 1998, the newsletter praised "ABC
World News Tonight" for being "one of the pioneers in network investigation
of government waste," and pointed out that "its regular segment 'Your Money'
delves into ways that Americans are being ripped off." In the next issue, it
lauded NBC's "Fleecing of America," a similar show that identifies ways that
the government wastes taxpayers' money. MediaNomics called "Fleecing of
America" along with "Your Money" "one of the best news segments on network
television." Both programs reinforce the view that government is evil,
bungling, and wasteful, which is precisely the message the right wants to
convey.
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"Opposes any traces of liberalism on TV or in films. Chairman L. Brent
Bozell III publishes the newsletter TV, ETC., with an advisory board that
includes Elliot Abrams, Mona Charen, Pete DuPont, and Rush Limbaugh.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Bozell wrote a scathing piece against Republican Presidential Candidate John
McCain in February 2000 to help George W. Bush.
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10 Jun 2004 04:12:38 AM |
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
Roger, did you write this?
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small cross
from the county's official seal.
[remove text]
Roger, did you write this?
--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
LR
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10 Jun 2004 06:43:19 AM |
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"Lannie Ruvin" <lanruvi2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:99c06796.0406100112.20ef307@posting.google.com...
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
Roger, did you write this?
I didn't even quote it.
It's Dana's challenge to reality: delete what another poster wrote and
repaste the original crap.
Dana thinks this changes history.
Dana's not very bright.
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los
Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their
efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small
cross
from the county's official seal.
[remove text]
Roger, did you write this?
--
Atheism teaches that there is no God, hence no God-given rights. That
ideology coupled with a system that believed in the superiority of the
state
at the expense of the individual was murderously synergistic.
LR
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10 Jun 2004 09:28:44 AM |
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In article <LrOxc.82521$506.59709@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Is anyone really surprised that right wing thinking today is driven by the
concept of ONE party rule? Can anyone name other countries that subscribe
to right wing thinking on this subject? Does baathist Iraq come to mind?
How about Islamic state Iran?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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10 Jun 2004 12:09:40 PM |
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"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10cgs0q9shm2900@corp.supernews.com...
In article <LrOxc.82521$506.59709@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, "Roger"
<rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040
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'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Is anyone really surprised that right wing thinking today is driven by the
concept of ONE party rule? Can anyone name other countries that subscribe
to right wing thinking on this subject? Does baathist Iraq come to mind?
How about Islamic state Iran?
It's not by party rule. It's by church rule. I find it ironic that the group
that readily points fingers and questions people's patriotism are the ones
that don't like the country or it's constitution and laws and most want to
change them in a way that would benefit them and punish everyone else. If
you want an example of unpatriotic beliefs, look no further than the people
who want to scrap the constitution, punish non-believers, and run the
country by the bible.
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09 Jun 2004 10:23:43 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:03:39 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:f7db2835d614d7c6a24e756ce8fccf58@news.meganetnews.com...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
The GOP Taliban hates the U.S. Constitution.
George Bush's years in office have been nothing less than an endless
series of attacks on the personal liberties of all Americans.
We did not last for more than 200 years acting like superstitious city
states.
Jingo
"Reagan's quack economists trashed scholarships and turned welfare recipients into homeless people and refused to do anything about
the AIDS epidemic, all so they could fund extravagant tax cuts for a tiny sliver of the ultra rich. Their supply-side sales pitch,
that the rich would buy so much stuff from everybody else that the economy would boom and government coffers would fill up, never
panned out. The Reagan boom lasted just three years and created only low-wage jobs. When the '80s were over, we were buried in the
depths of recession and a trillion bucks in debt. Poverty grew, cities decayed, crime rose. It took over a decade to dig out."
--Ted Rall on the Reagan Legacy
http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/
***
Watch the 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Trailer:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/trailer/
***
See the Campaign Ad the Democrats Should
Play on All Channels 24/7:
http://www.blackstarsblog.com/bushin41point2.swf
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10 Jun 2004 05:50:32 AM |
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"Jingo" <Jingo@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:03:39 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:f7db2835d614d7c6a24e756ce8fccf58@news.meganetnews.com...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040
609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
The GOP Taliban hates the U.S. Constitution.
Traitor fucks like Jim Jim Kennemuir (aka "Jingo") want to OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION.
You're STILL an *****.
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10 Jun 2004 06:43:46 AM |
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Lithium.
Just a handful will do it.
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
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"Jingo" <Jingo@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:03:39 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
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http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040
609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
The GOP Taliban hates the U.S. Constitution.
Traitor fucks like Jim Jim Kennemuir (aka "Jingo") want to OVERTHROW THE
CONSTITUTION.
You're STILL an *****.
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10 Jun 2004 08:46:25 PM |
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:43:46 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Lithium.
Just a handful will do it.
With a quart of vodka.
Jingo
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message
news:ca9ea3$ar6$0@pita.alt.net...
"Jingo" <Jingo@AFreeAmerica.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:03:39 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote in message
news:f7db2835d614d7c6a24e756ce8fccf58@news.meganetnews.com...
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040
609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and
to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
The GOP Taliban hates the U.S. Constitution.
"The evil that men do lives after them; The good
is oft interred with their bones. So let it be
with Ronald Wilson Reagan."
--Jingo, in celebration of Reagan Planting Day,
June 11, 2004
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10 Jun 2004 09:46:54 PM |
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How many crosses have been removed?
More than 10K monuments?
Is it time for a challenge? Crosses v. 10K
some of the crosses which have been ruled unconstitutional:
Soledad
Mojave
Helix
Wauwtosa, WI
Zion, IL
L.A. County
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10 Jun 2004 11:56:31 PM |
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Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
How many crosses have been removed?
More than 10K monuments?
Is it time for a challenge? Crosses v. 10K
some of the crosses which have been ruled unconstitutional:
Soledad
Mojave
Helix
Wauwtosa, WI
Zion, IL
L.A. County
Federal courts have apparently ordered the removal of crosses in seal
cases in Ohio, Illinois, and New Mexico.
They permitted a cross to remain in a case in Austin Texas - in that
case it did not in any way represent the church, and was embedded in
secular symbols. A cross with wings was part of the Austin family
seal.
lojbab
--
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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11 Jun 2004 10:06:02 AM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Federal courts have apparently ordered the removal of crosses in seal
cases in Ohio, Illinois, and New Mexico.
A cross was removed from the seal of Wauwatosa, WI, but I am not sure if
it went to the federal level.
They permitted a cross to remain in a case in Austin Texas - in that
case it did not in any way represent the church, and was embedded in
secular symbols. A cross with wings was part of the Austin family
seal.
Never saw a cross with wings before. I tried to find it, but couldn't.
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11 Jun 2004 01:51:09 PM |
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Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
They permitted a cross to remain in a case in Austin Texas - in that
case it did not in any way represent the church, and was embedded in
secular symbols. A cross with wings was part of the Austin family
seal.
Never saw a cross with wings before. I tried to find it, but couldn't.
It wasn't easy. Here:
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/
at the bottom. Appears to be a cross possibly with wings, embedded in
a crown, above the triangle.
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/ahc/faq7.htm
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: 'Remove the Cross, Keep the Constitution |
11 Jun 2004 02:14:20 PM |
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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
It wasn't easy.
Thanks for your efforts.
Here: http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/
at the bottom. Appears to be a cross possibly with wings, embedded in
a crown, above the triangle.
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/ahc/faq7.htm
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking,
which leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy."
-- Robert Anton Wilson
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| User: "Jeremiah" |
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| Title: Re: 'Keep your sanity, Remove the DanaFord wives |
16 Jun 2004 07:58:13 PM |
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Dana wrote:
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040609a.html
'Keep
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) is a fucking idiot.
How big of an idiot is he?
A very big one.
Appearing on CNN's Crossfire last week, Rohrabacher blamed the
Democrats in general and Al Gore in particular for September 11.
Said he on CNN's Crossfire, "It's the Democratic Party and of course
it's Al Gore, who knows a lot about incompetence, I might add, that
got us into this mess; 9/11 was on the way; 9/11 was on the way by the
time President Bush was inaugurated."
Hmm, that's odd.
See, Dana Rohrabacher used to be a pretty big fan of Osama bin Laden's
protectors, the Taliban.
How big of a fan?
Well, a very big one.
According to a 2002 report in the OC Weekly, Rohrabacher "lobbied
shamelessly for the Taliban" during the 1990s.
In 1996 he wrote an article claiming that the "Taliban could provide
stability in an area where chaos was creating a real threat to the
U.S."
Later in the article he claimed that the Taliban were "not terrorists
or revolutionaries," that media reports of the Taliban's nutjob
religious fundamentalism were "nonsense," and that they posed no
threat to the United States.
Mind you, on September 11 Rohrabacher did stand before a microphone
and say "I’ve been begging people to do something about Afghanistan,
and I said if we didn’t do anything about the Taliban, we would pay a
dear price."
So there's always the possibility that's he's severely mentally ill.
Actually it kinda makes you wonder why they let him go on television
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| Title: Re: 'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats |
10 Jun 2004 01:10:12 AM |
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:36:01 GMT, "Dana" <#$%@%$#.com> wrote:
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200406\NAT20040609a.html
'Keep the Cross, Remove the Democrats,' Protestors Say
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
June 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - More than a thousand angry citizens went to a Los Angeles
County Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday, but despite their efforts,
county supervisors refused to reverse their decision to remove a small cross
from the county's official seal.
Now you're pissed because the "wall of separation" is being upheld?
All that ***** you like to eat rotted your brain too?
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