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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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03 Aug 2007 08:42:35 AM |
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Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Liberals have created their own beast.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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03 Aug 2007 04:00:42 PM |
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CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST
It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a
cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of
a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with
his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his
cave for sex.
One day there were two males standing in front of a cave when a
female walked by. The first raised his arm to club the female, but
the second male communicated to him that clubbing females over the
head to have sex was not nice. WHACK! WHACK! The first male stepped
over the unconscious second male and proceeded to rape the female.
On that day the first liberal paid the price for expressing a new
idea.
Things didn't change much for thousands of years until the advent
of projectile weapons. This was first symbolized by the David and
Goliath story in the Bible, where the big strong brute was laid
flat by the small but smarter boy. Once brute strength was no
longer the controlling factor in social interaction, liberal ideas
slowly gained a foothold in human culture, and civilization began.
Throughout human history, the price for advocating tolerance and
progressive change has been paid in threats, beatings,
excommunication, incarceration, torture, murder, assassination, and
execution. Countless liberals have paid the ultimate price for
their humanity. Though Jesus Christ is the most famous, names in
recent history that come to mind are Gandhi, Martin Luther King
Jr., John Lennon, and Robert Kennedy.
Today there are many conservatives - individuals, groups, and
nations - who use threats and violence to silence the voices of
reason, tolerance, and progress. Here in America it is seen in
racists and homophobes beating blacks and gays, sometimes to death,
not for money or out of anger generated by interactive cause, but
because of religious or racial intolerance and secular bigotry.
Alan Berg on talk radio was a strong voice against a conservative
organization called the Aryan Nation. For thus exercising his
freedom of speech, he was shot dead while walking his dog in front
of his house.
David Rice is a man on death row in Washington State who has no
remorse whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and
carving out their living hearts only because he heard they were
"liberals." He got their names from a Democratic Party membership
list.
Right-wingers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 men,
women, and children as an act of protest. What liberals have ever
committed such an abominable atrocity?
The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11
terrorist attacks in which thousands of innocent civilians were
murdered. The alleged perpetrators, Osama Bin Laden and the al
Qaeda-Taliban terrorists, epitomize the right-wing religious
fundamentalist mentality.
Some believe that the 9/11 attacks were deliberately allowed to happen,
exacerbated, or even perpetrated by radical right-wing elements within
our own government to further their fascistic agenda. Two buildings
were hit by planes, but THREE collapsed. The evidence that the three
collapsed buildings were brought down with demolition explosives put in
place BEFORE the attacks is very strong.
Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or
that they are not done primarily by conservatives is utter
nonsense. Look back:
Who nailed who to a cross?
Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?
Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?
Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their
sovereignty over their own bodies in the freedom to choose
abortion?
Who fought against child labor statutes?
Who fought against the concept of free public education?
Who fought against the right of women to vote?
Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?
Who fought against workers organizing?
Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars
"unsafe at any speed?"
Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11
terrorist attacks?
Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40
million more?
Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?
Who fought against voting rights, civil rights, social security,
health care for the elderly, and minimum wages?
Who fights against environmental protection statutes?
Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle
minorities?
Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering,
terminally ill patients soon to die anyway?
Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our
other Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections?
Who are the moralizing hypocrites forcing their puritanical
inhibitions and prohibitions on ALL Americans via legislation and
draconian, police-state enforcement practices?
Who always puts personal gain and corporate wealth and power above
the common good?
CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS?
The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE
OF THE CONSERVATIVE BEAST!
Conservatives have distorted and demonized the word "liberal,"
whose true political meaning is favoring progressive change,
humanistic values, and opposition to authoritarianism. They
identify it with governmental waste and tolerance of criminality,
when in fact they themselves are guilty of abuses such as corporate
welfare bail-outs and tax evasion, fraud against investors, and
other white-collar crime. Conservatives fear and oppose all change
and progress beyond "what's in it for me?"
At the core of conservatism is the Machiavellian bully - the
despotic practitioner of "might makes right," craving wealth and
power, and willing to use any and all means to get them.
Conservatism is the philosophy of the caveman wearing a business
suit.
AND THE CAVEMENS' CLUBS CAN NOW DESTROY OUR EARTH!
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04 Aug 2007 08:31:30 PM |
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Actually, Lincoln started the Civil War.
Actually, Wilson got us into WWI.
Actually, Roosevelt got us into WWII.
Actually, Truman got us into Korea.
Actually, Johnson got us into Vietnam big time.
Actually, Carter pulled the rug from under the Shah.
Actually, Clinton bombed Serbia, and did nothing in Rwanda.
"Truth is not an option." -- Gris Caravel
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"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
news:_HMsi.17328$ax1.74@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST
It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a
cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of
a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with
his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his
cave for sex.
One day there were two males standing in front of a cave when a
female walked by. The first raised his arm to club the female, but
the second male communicated to him that clubbing females over the
head to have sex was not nice. WHACK! WHACK! The first male stepped
over the unconscious second male and proceeded to rape the female.
On that day the first liberal paid the price for expressing a new
idea.
Things didn't change much for thousands of years until the advent
of projectile weapons. This was first symbolized by the David and
Goliath story in the Bible, where the big strong brute was laid
flat by the small but smarter boy. Once brute strength was no
longer the controlling factor in social interaction, liberal ideas
slowly gained a foothold in human culture, and civilization began.
Throughout human history, the price for advocating tolerance and
progressive change has been paid in threats, beatings,
excommunication, incarceration, torture, murder, assassination, and
execution. Countless liberals have paid the ultimate price for
their humanity. Though Jesus Christ is the most famous, names in
recent history that come to mind are Gandhi, Martin Luther King
Jr., John Lennon, and Robert Kennedy.
Today there are many conservatives - individuals, groups, and
nations - who use threats and violence to silence the voices of
reason, tolerance, and progress. Here in America it is seen in
racists and homophobes beating blacks and gays, sometimes to death,
not for money or out of anger generated by interactive cause, but
because of religious or racial intolerance and secular bigotry.
Alan Berg on talk radio was a strong voice against a conservative
organization called the Aryan Nation. For thus exercising his
freedom of speech, he was shot dead while walking his dog in front
of his house.
David Rice is a man on death row in Washington State who has no
remorse whatsoever for entering the home of a family of four and
carving out their living hearts only because he heard they were
"liberals." He got their names from a Democratic Party membership
list.
Right-wingers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 men,
women, and children as an act of protest. What liberals have ever
committed such an abominable atrocity?
The most abominable atrocity in several decades is the 9/11
terrorist attacks in which thousands of innocent civilians were
murdered. The alleged perpetrators, Osama Bin Laden and the al
Qaeda-Taliban terrorists, epitomize the right-wing religious
fundamentalist mentality.
Some believe that the 9/11 attacks were deliberately allowed to happen,
exacerbated, or even perpetrated by radical right-wing elements within
our own government to further their fascistic agenda. Two buildings
were hit by planes, but THREE collapsed. The evidence that the three
collapsed buildings were brought down with demolition explosives put in
place BEFORE the attacks is very strong.
Arguing that such horrendous crimes are not political in nature or
that they are not done primarily by conservatives is utter
nonsense. Look back:
Who nailed who to a cross?
Who were the Loyalists to the totalitarian monarchy of King George?
Who started our Civil War to defend slavery?
Who fought to keep women as property, and now fights their
sovereignty over their own bodies in the freedom to choose
abortion?
Who fought against child labor statutes?
Who fought against the concept of free public education?
Who fought against the right of women to vote?
Who fought against anti-trust and anti-monopoly legislation?
Who fought against workers organizing?
Who fought against government controls on manufacturers of cars
"unsafe at any speed?"
Who killed several thousand innocent civilians in the 9/11
terrorist attacks?
Who started WW2, murdered 13 million and caused the death of 40
million more?
Who defended Jim Crow for a hundred years?
Who fought against voting rights, civil rights, social security,
health care for the elderly, and minimum wages?
Who fights against environmental protection statutes?
Who opposes equal rights for gays and other free-lifestyle
minorities?
Who cruelly opposes physician-assisted dying for suffering,
terminally ill patients soon to die anyway?
Who is sabotaging the separation of Church and State, and all our
other Constitutional rights, freedoms, and protections?
Who are the moralizing hypocrites forcing their puritanical
inhibitions and prohibitions on ALL Americans via legislation and
draconian, police-state enforcement practices?
Who always puts personal gain and corporate wealth and power above
the common good?
CONSERVATIVES OR LIBERALS?
The historic, undeniable truth is that these evils are THE NATURE
OF THE CONSERVATIVE BEAST!
Conservatives have distorted and demonized the word "liberal,"
whose true political meaning is favoring progressive change,
humanistic values, and opposition to authoritarianism. They
identify it with governmental waste and tolerance of criminality,
when in fact they themselves are guilty of abuses such as corporate
welfare bail-outs and tax evasion, fraud against investors, and
other white-collar crime. Conservatives fear and oppose all change
and progress beyond "what's in it for me?"
At the core of conservatism is the Machiavellian bully - the
despotic practitioner of "might makes right," craving wealth and
power, and willing to use any and all means to get them.
Conservatism is the philosophy of the caveman wearing a business
suit.
AND THE CAVEMENS' CLUBS CAN NOW DESTROY OUR EARTH!
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| User: "Alric Knebel" |
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03 Aug 2007 05:23:34 PM |
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Freedom Fighter wrote:
CONSERVATIVES VS. LIBERALS: THE NATURE OF THE BEAST
It all began a hundred thousand years ago on a ledge in front of a
cave. A female homo sapiens walked by, attracting the attention of
a male. The male stepped forward and smacked her over the head with
his club. WHACK! He then dragged the unconscious female into his
cave for sex. . . .
Good article. Sums it up nicely.
--
_________________
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 11:55:46 AM |
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In article <1186148555.498034.76000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, uniform crime statistics show
that serious crime peaked in the early 90s and has been
in decline ever since.
By Ken Clifton logic, therefore, what this society needs
is even more violent video games.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
-- cary
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
05 Aug 2007 12:54:02 PM |
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On Aug 3, 11:55 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1186148555.498034.76...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, uniform crime statistics show
that serious crime peaked in the early 90s and has been
in decline ever since.
By Ken Clifton logic, therefore, what this society needs
is even more violent video games.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
-- cary
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
1. The Democrats are wrong to protest GOP ad campaigns.
2. Democrats should run no ads.
3. Companies waste billions in marketing budgets yearly.
4. The Army is wrong to advertise on violent video games and movies
(since those movies wouldn't influence them to be violent).
Right?
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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06 Aug 2007 12:18:21 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com>
On Aug 3, 11:55 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1186148555.498034.76...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, uniform crime statistics show
that serious crime peaked in the early 90s and has been
in decline ever since.
By Ken Clifton logic, therefore, what this society needs
is even more violent video games.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
-- cary
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
Which I -- surprise, surprise -- actually did not say.
Yet another example of your putting your words into
my mouth.
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
05 Aug 2007 05:46:17 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
Where did he say anything even *remotely* like that?
His point is that the particular effect on behavior that you are
positing "grow[ing] up and support[ing] war in the world (as the games
told them to do)" seems to only occur in neo-cons. That either means
that only neo-con kids play video games, or that the specific effect
you are positing doesn't occur.
To say that one specific effect does not occur does not in the least
imply that there is NO effect.
1. The Democrats are wrong to protest GOP ad campaigns.
If GOP ad campaigns lead to more "war in the world" then they are
perfectly right to protest them.
If they lead to Democrats losing elections, it is their duty to
protest them.
2. Democrats should run no ads.
Why not? They aren't trying to "support war in the world". They are
interest in getting Democrats elected.
3. Companies waste billions in marketing budgets yearly.
They do, but it is their right to do so. And some of their marketing
increases sale. Meanwhile, they likewise aren't "supporting war in
the world" unless they are defense contractors.
4. The Army is wrong to advertise on violent video games and movies
(since those movies wouldn't influence them to be violent).
That ignores the possibility that the Army wants to attract the sort
of people who are ALREADY interested in violence, and who therefore
choose violent games. The Army does NOT want to "influence them to be
violent". They have their own, rather highly effective, methods for
training people how to be violent in a systematic, controlled,
teamwork environment.
Right?
Wrong as usual, dimwit.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
06 Aug 2007 09:30:09 AM |
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On Aug 5, 5:46 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
Where did he say anything even *remotely* like that?
His point is that the particular effect on behavior that you are
positing "grow[ing] up and support[ing] war in the world (as the games
told them to do)" seems to only occur in neo-cons. That either means
that only neo-con kids play video games, or that the specific effect
you are positing doesn't occur.
To say that one specific effect does not occur does not in the least
imply that there is NO effect.
1. The Democrats are wrong to protest GOP ad campaigns.
If GOP ad campaigns lead to more "war in the world" then they are
perfectly right to protest them.
If they lead to Democrats losing elections, it is their duty to
protest them.
This reply alone proves my point. You acknowledge the influence of
the media...indeed, fear it here. Thus, allowing violent games for
all of these years has been the liberal building of their own
beast...kids, who turn into adults, interested in war and violence.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
06 Aug 2007 12:42:53 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com>
On Aug 5, 5:46 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
Where did he say anything even *remotely* like that?
His point is that the particular effect on behavior that you are
positing "grow[ing] up and support[ing] war in the world (as the games
told them to do)" seems to only occur in neo-cons. That either means
that only neo-con kids play video games, or that the specific effect
you are positing doesn't occur.
To say that one specific effect does not occur does not in the least
imply that there is NO effect.
1. The Democrats are wrong to protest GOP ad campaigns.
If GOP ad campaigns lead to more "war in the world" then they are
perfectly right to protest them.
If they lead to Democrats losing elections, it is their duty to
protest them.
This reply alone proves my point.
Your ever-shifting point.
The original "point" was:
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
I suggest you google on phrases like "Crime at 30-year low"
or "Since 1994, violent crime rates have declined, reaching the lowest level
ever", then come back and re-explain your original "point" to us.
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
06 Aug 2007 02:59:28 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 5, 5:46 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
So you're telling us that only neo-con kids played video games?
Maybe you're on to something with that one. Maybe the liberal
kids were all reading books.
If you are saying that media doesn't influence behavior...
Where did he say anything even *remotely* like that?
His point is that the particular effect on behavior that you are
positing "grow[ing] up and support[ing] war in the world (as the games
told them to do)" seems to only occur in neo-cons. That either means
that only neo-con kids play video games, or that the specific effect
you are positing doesn't occur.
To say that one specific effect does not occur does not in the least
imply that there is NO effect.
1. The Democrats are wrong to protest GOP ad campaigns.
If GOP ad campaigns lead to more "war in the world" then they are
perfectly right to protest them.
If they lead to Democrats losing elections, it is their duty to
protest them.
This reply alone proves my point.
You have no point.
You acknowledge the influence of the media
Of course I do.
"the influence of the media" (which I acknowledge)
is not the same thing as
"games that promoted war ... those game players grow up and support
war in the world (as the games told them to do)"
(which I thing is ***** from someone who makes bulls look
brilliant)
...indeed, fear it here
Fear? Not hardly.
Thus, allowing violent games for all of these years has been the liberal building of their own
beast.
That does not follow, since the kids of those liberals do not seem to
be warmongers like you. Indeed usually they seem both sane and
intelligent, attributes that you lack.
kids, who turn into adults, interested in war and violence.
One problem is that you have the causality backwards. Kids who are
interested in war and violence play video games with war and violence
in them.
lojbab
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| User: "Latrodectus" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
05 Aug 2007 06:23:34 PM |
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On Aug 3, 7:42 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Liberals have created their own beast.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Ummmmm, actually it was Al and Tipper who tried to tell people about
this.
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| User: "Flash Bazbo" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 02:25:39 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:42:35 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
The sociopaths who dragged us into this war were from the age of
boardgames like Risk or Battleship.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 01:50:14 PM |
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In article <k707b35fovq0qd7hjlbkdo7qjubo1o7uo8@4ax.com> Flash Bazbo <djflsdkjf@dlsfdslkf.cmk> writes:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:42:35 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
The sociopaths who dragged us into this war were from the age of
boardgames like Risk or Battleship.
Well, except for Dubya, who seems to have regarded the
Air National Guard as a kind of game. An optional one.
-- cary
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 06:03:05 PM |
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What, no quotes from Jesus on the video gam industry?
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186148555.498034.76000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Liberals have created their own beast.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 07:06:53 PM |
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In article <46b3b3fe$0$20625$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> writes:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186148555.498034.76000@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Liberals have created their own beast.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
What, no quotes from Jesus on the video gam industry?
I've got a fairly relevant one from the Doobie Brothers.
But I'm just too damn polite to use it.
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
03 Aug 2007 12:09:18 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
I was just thinking
No you weren't. You are incapable of it.
of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship
Which Republican calls were those?
And what did liberal Republicans think of them? And what did
libertarians who vote Republican think of them?
and limits on violent video games and music.
Which Republican calls were those?
And what did liberal Republicans think of them? And what did
libertarians who vote Republican think of them?
Liberals said that free speech must protect these violence promoting products.
Cite please.
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products.
People did all those things long before there were video games.
.and liberals are upset.
Mostly about idiots like you.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war,
Did they? Cite please?
I suspect that they were defend by game manufacturers, who constitute
big business, which is overwhelmingly Republican.
including Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group.
Command and Conquer first came out in 1995, so one can hardly claim
that it has been defended by ANYONE for decades. Since I don't recall
it ever being that controversial, I can't imagine that it needed a lot
of defense. I do note that one of the Command an Conquer games was
banned by the Chinese government, but I doubt if even Kennie counts
them as "Republicans".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_controversy
I see one "liberal" defending video games in that article, Michael
Moore, but his argument says nothing about free speech
<Michael Moore notes that although the same games are played worldwide,
< the murder rate in the US is far higher; therefore another factor
< must be at work.
Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do),
It is Republicans that are supporting the war. Are they the only ones
who play video games?
liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
"They"?
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
The military actually runs one of the games, paid for by the quite
Republican Bush administration, as a means to recruit people.
Liberals have created their own beast.
You've created yet another strawman, and not a few number of new lies.
Get thee behind me, Satan!
lojbab
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| User: "met00" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
06 Aug 2007 03:10:44 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
and the fine GOP parents didn't raise their kids to NOT play them and
now those
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
Because GOP parents failed to be responsible for their offspring.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Gee, I'm a liberal and I have a nephew serving in the US Army, go
figure. Are any of your nieces, nephews, sons or daughters serving in
the active military? Are you of age to serve? And why aren't you serving
then?
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Ah, if we didn't allow people to think "bad thoughts" then there
wouldn't be bad people argument. See, unlike fundie nut cases like
yourself, we liberals actually like people to think. We encourage people
to think. We encourage people to talk about their thoughts, no mater how
repulsive we may feel they are. We know that thoughts never hurt anyone,
only taking inappropriate action on those thoughts. Liberals don't
believe in limiting what people think and as long as they don't act in a
way that harms others, we really believe in "live and let live".
It's interesting to see that only fundie conservative jerks seem to want
to limit what people think. They also are the ones who seem to be the
most supportive of beating the crap out of people for believing
differently from them. I'm fairly sure that Matthew Sheppard didn't go
up and put a gun to some fundies head and say "I'm going to force you to
sodomize me." before the killed the poor guy. I'm very sure that two
guys kissing each other and showing that they love one another isn't
somehow gonna make YOU "go gay". I'm sure that people talking about
loving their brothers and sisters no matter what they believe, even if
it isn't something that they believe is gonna kill you. Yet, fundies
seem to be the ones that want to stop others from believing what they
want. They want to bring them all to the "TRUTH" as they see it.
Liberals generally believe that each person is allowed to find the truth
for themselves. Their "Truth". And as long as in finding their Truth
they aren't hurting their fellow man or stopping their fellow man from
finding their own truth, so what?
But conservative fundies like yourself are all in the grove for reducing
mans ability to question, to seek and to find. Liberals build on love.
Conservative fundies like yourself build on hate.
The truth is there, and it sucks for your side.
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| User: "robw" |
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| Title: Re: Liberals Creating Their Own Enemy (Video Games) |
06 Aug 2007 09:18:35 AM |
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This idiot also seems to forget that the Parents Music Research Center was
formed and headed by Tipper Gore.
"met00" <met00cigar@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8IAti.16457$ug3.14148@trnddc06...
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I was just thinking of a way that liberals are creating their own
enemy. For many decades, liberals have rejected Republican calls for
censorship and limits on violent video games and music. Liberals said
that free speech must protect these violence promoting products. So,
they remained on the market for kids to play.
and the fine GOP parents didn't raise their kids to NOT play them and
now those
Then, these kids grew up. Now, they are raping, stealing, and
killing, just as they were instructed to do in those products...and
liberals are upset.
Because GOP parents failed to be responsible for their offspring.
For decades, liberals defended games that promoted war, including
Command and Conquer that was a war on a terrorist group. Now, when
those game players grow up and support war in the world (as the games
told them to do), liberals protest the outcome they allowed.
Gee, I'm a liberal and I have a nephew serving in the US Army, go
figure. Are any of your nieces, nephews, sons or daughters serving in
the active military? Are you of age to serve? And why aren't you serving
then?
Oddly, if the liberals had put limits on violent games, shows, and
music decades ago, there probably wouldn't have been public support
for any of the wars we are in, today. Proof of this is found in the
fact that the military runs ads for being a solider ON those games,
films, and music shows.
Ah, if we didn't allow people to think "bad thoughts" then there
wouldn't be bad people argument. See, unlike fundie nut cases like
yourself, we liberals actually like people to think. We encourage people
to think. We encourage people to talk about their thoughts, no mater how
repulsive we may feel they are. We know that thoughts never hurt anyone,
only taking inappropriate action on those thoughts. Liberals don't
believe in limiting what people think and as long as they don't act in a
way that harms others, we really believe in "live and let live".
It's interesting to see that only fundie conservative jerks seem to want
to limit what people think. They also are the ones who seem to be the
most supportive of beating the crap out of people for believing
differently from them. I'm fairly sure that Matthew Sheppard didn't go
up and put a gun to some fundies head and say "I'm going to force you to
sodomize me." before the killed the poor guy. I'm very sure that two
guys kissing each other and showing that they love one another isn't
somehow gonna make YOU "go gay". I'm sure that people talking about
loving their brothers and sisters no matter what they believe, even if
it isn't something that they believe is gonna kill you. Yet, fundies
seem to be the ones that want to stop others from believing what they
want. They want to bring them all to the "TRUTH" as they see it.
Liberals generally believe that each person is allowed to find the truth
for themselves. Their "Truth". And as long as in finding their Truth
they aren't hurting their fellow man or stopping their fellow man from
finding their own truth, so what?
But conservative fundies like yourself are all in the grove for reducing
mans ability to question, to seek and to find. Liberals build on love.
Conservative fundies like yourself build on hate.
The truth is there, and it sucks for your side.
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