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"LeMod Pol" |
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01 Jun 2005 08:46:26 AM |
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Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
~~~ ~~~^~~~ ~~~
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
For example, I recently mocked the editors of
UNC-Wilmington's student newspaper, The Seahawk, for
wanting Christian organizations to sign a
non-discrimination clause that would clearly trump
constitutionally protected freedoms of religious
expression. I jokingly suggested that the paper
believes that "students who believe that rape and
pedophilia are good must be allowed to join, vote, and
hold office in a Christian fraternity."
Unfortunately, The Seahawk missed the sarcasm and gave
this serious two-word answer: "They should." They even
explained their position:
"The one incontrovertible legal point at the center of
the Alpha Iota Omega debate is that AIO is an official
student organization, funded by student fees. And,
thank God - no pun intended - it's University policy
that organizations funded by student fees should be
open to all students, without discrimination of any
kind. End of story."
The quote you just read shows why a university without
a journalism school or a law school should not publish
a student newspaper offering legal opinions. In the
lawsuit filed by AIO against UNC, the Christians won an
injunction against the school, just weeks before the
Seahawk editorial was published. So much for that "one
incontrovertible legal point."
The reason the lawsuit is going badly for UNC probably
lies in the fact that those student fees came from the
students in the first place. In this lawsuit, the
federal judge clearly recognizes that the university's
policy would require Christians who oppose rape and
pedophilia to; first, pay mandatory student fees
(another name for tax) to a government-run school, and
then, second, agree to allow rapists and pedophiles (or
anyone else) to join the group as a condition of
getting the money back.
Thankfully the federal judge, unlike the UNC
administration and these top-notch Seahawk reporters,
understands that such a policy is absurd, not to
mention totalitarian.
In addition to being bad journalists with a bad sense
of humor, the Seahawk writers don't know much about
history. This is shown in the following quote: "The
bigger question (is): How paranoid do you have to be to
believe that a group of neo-Nazis is going to take over
your Christian fraternity? Clearly, if the university
allows any student to join AIO, it will soon be overrun
by baby-eating street thugs who (sic) vote out the
Christian leadership."
That statement is problematic for two reasons. The
first problem is one of historical ignorance.
In 1956, the United States Supreme Court rejected a
demand by the State of Alabama that the NAACP make its
membership lists public. In its first case to
explicitly establish the "freedom of association," the
Supreme Court declared: "It is beyond debate that
freedom to engage in association for the advancement of
beliefs and ideas is an inseparable aspect of the
'liberty' assured by the Due Process Clause of the
Fourteenth Amendment, which embraces freedom of
speech."
This case was necessitated by the efforts of white
racists (with beliefs similar to neo-Nazis) to invade
and control the NAACP. But now, the "liberal" student
newspapers and administrators are on the side of those
white racists and segregationists. They are now
fighting to undo the work of the Warren Court and the
NAACP. Is it possible that they have gone so far left
that they are now far right?
But there is a second problem with the position of the
UNC system and the Seahawk. The problem is logical,
rather than historical.
By saying that someone has to be paranoid to believe
that anyone hostile to Christianity would ever want to
join a Christian group, one is making the best possible
case against the non-discrimination clause. Put simply,
this is the same as saying that the policy is good
because it will never actually have to be implemented.
To say that the best idea is the one which has the
least application to reality is to understand the
source of the problem. It shows that these students are
merely parroting the ideas of their professors.
Professors like to keep their ideas as far removed from
reality as possible.
If that statement seems far-fetched, just image the
headlines these students would have to run if they
actually tried to eliminate every form of
discrimination, rather than merely saying that they
oppose every form of discrimination:
"UNC-Wilmington Discriminates Against Whites in Student
Admissions"
"UNC-Greensboro Discriminates Against Sex Offenders,
Fires Convicted Pedophile"
"Study Shows Athletic Department Discriminates Against
the Obese"
"Extra! Extra! Read All About it! Phi Beta Kappa May be
Excluding Dummies"
"Dwarves Systematically Overlooked in Basketball
Try-outs, Read Our Exclusive Story!"
"Discrimination Against the Handicapped Persists: Blind
Bus Driver Fired for Failing Physical"
"Time to Protest University Use of SAT and GPA to
Exclude College Applicants!"
"How Grades Discriminate Against the Drunk and Lazy"
Will university liberals ever seek a "solution" to any
of these "problems"? Of course not.
Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him. In
his heart, he knows he's still right.
~ ` ~ ` ~ ` ~
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
©2005 Mike S. Adams
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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| User: "sue_doe_cy_ants" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 12:58:13 AM |
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LeMod Pol pasted:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
////\\\\
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
Anyone who shares space in a publication with
the self-confessed and unrepentant traitor,
David Horowitz, has no moral ground to stand upon,
while whining about Liberty Lost upon College campuses.
(see: <http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1138>)
When did conservatives start
spewing obtuse paradoxical semantics, defining the present
with desultory oxymorons like "postmodern" in their writing?
You complain about the lack of an understanding,
within the ranks of the limp-wristed humanities professors,
of Life, liberty, and Reality,
whilst an American George, and his administration,
vociferate tergiversate rationales
for their theft of natural rights from humans?
You stand up to your eyeballs
in the same fetid swamp that you
snivel and accuse the academicians of wallowing in.
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|
| how wilt thou say to thy brother,
| Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
| and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
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| Thou hypocrite,
| first cast out the beam out of thine own eye;
| and then shalt thou see clearly
| to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
|________________________________________________________
The American Dreamtime is under attack
from the unconstitutional acts of a tyrannical administration.
What occurs inside the towers
that reek of elephants' death
matter not if the Dreamtime fades away.
The Reality is that Life & liberty are in jeopardy,
whenever they are illegitimately stripped from any human.
Yes, that does include humans the Bush Administration
has pronounced guilty of "terrorism",
without first lawfully prosecuting them.
If they cannot secure convictions against these "terrorists"
using due process of law, why are we at war?
If they cannot convict them fairly, Under Our Rules;
then the Dreamtime America has ceased to be.
Do they fear public reaction
to their own miserable failures?
Has their intelligence failed them once again,
and they hide the lack of evidence behind the
wafting oily smoke emitted from their acts of incompetence?
Are they misusing the veil of secrecy
whilst intelligence and facts
are being fixed around their unconstitutional policies?
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
*protection from coerced confessions;
*a timely adjudication of the charges;
*a jury to decide upon innocence or guilt,
if the defendant so desires;
*the ability to publicly face the witnesses who accuse,
and to query their veracity while they are under oath;
*to see all the evidence to be used against them, and
be given enough of an interval to challenge its truthfullness;
*a process for calling witnesses in their defense;
*competent counsel to aid in their defense.
Only after the government has successfully
secured a conviction under these terms,
can they then legitimately hang the accused.
This is the American Dreamtime.
There was once a time
when conservatives believed in it wholly.
There was once a time when they were willing
to expend all of their political capital in its defense.
Now they toss their honour into the sewer
as they defend political carrion like Delay and Blunt.
How deep has the right-side of our political bipolarity
fallen into the miasmic pit of immorality,
expressed in their vapourish defense of
an inequitable protection by the rule of law.
Do not issue dissembling jeremiads
about grandiloquent instructors,
who exist within Universities' confines,
and who understand naught Freedom and Liberty.
For you dance amongst them in
the moral relativist's ballet,
upon the stage of America's Honour,
spinning situationalist pirouettes,
in front of the audience, a candid world.
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 05:57:03 AM |
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sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
LeMod Pol pasted:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
////\\\\
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
not really - moral relativism is your game
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
you have missed something - none of those detained in
gtmo are "criminals" and thus have had no charges laid.
They are enemy fighters captured in a war zone and must
be held until hostilities are finally ended.
Do try to keep up.
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 10:36:03 AM |
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sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
not really - moral relativism is your game
It is? Really? Pray tell me, how. Conservatives are full of
moral relativism, they just never will admit to it. You can
kill, lie, steal, cheat and do all sorts of moral wrongs under
their code of ethics and it's OK if justified by some 'greater
good'. The Iraq war is just one of many examples: justified by
a whole series of deliberate lies, most likely to steal (uh,
'secure') oil for US 'national security'.
Liberals, who admit to moral relativism, are paradoxically more
likely to act as moral absolutists when push comes to shove,
IMHO.
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
you have missed something - none of those detained in
gtmo are "criminals" and thus have had no charges laid.
They are enemy fighters captured in a war zone and must
be held until hostilities are finally ended.
But they're not POWs, according to the Bushites. Heh.
And what 'morally absolutist' legal precedent exists to treat
them as such? Sounds awfully morally relativist and convienent
to me--you neither have to grant them the rights of someone
criminally accused, nor grant the rights granted to POWs.
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 10:16:46 AM |
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In article <42A0377C.66A5E21D@igs.net> LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> writes:
sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
LeMod Pol pasted:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
////\\\\
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
not really - moral relativism is your game
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
you have missed something - none of those detained in
gtmo are "criminals" and thus have had no charges laid.
They are enemy fighters captured in a war zone and must
be held until hostilities are finally ended.
They are alleged enemy fighters which it is claimed
were captured in a war zone, and therein lies all
the difference.
At least the old Soviet Union had the sense to pretend
to give you a trail before locking you up on a whim.
-- cary
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| User: " jls" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 11:20:15 AM |
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:d7ps8t$ikg$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
In article <42A0377C.66A5E21D@igs.net> LeMod Pol <modpol@igs.net> writes:
sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
LeMod Pol pasted:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
////\\\\
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
not really - moral relativism is your game
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
you have missed something - none of those detained in
gtmo are "criminals" and thus have had no charges laid.
They are enemy fighters captured in a war zone and must
be held until hostilities are finally ended.
They are alleged enemy fighters which it is claimed
were captured in a war zone, and therein lies all
the difference.
At least the old Soviet Union had the sense to pretend
to give you a trail before locking you up on a whim.
-- cary
Exactly but the dissemblers of the Bush gang just change the definitions.
The meaning of any word can be changed at will with these shady people.
You call it (obviously not a person so an "it") an enemy combatant and it is
not entitled to any of the processes of international law and may be
imprisoned indefinitely, even forever. Cheaper that way too, so more money
for Cheney's corporations and corporate friends. Thus, Amnesty's comment
about the Gulag.
***********
"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of --
and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, people who hate
America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble --
that means not tell the truth." ----- Illiterate Yalie Bush simultaneously
dissassembling the English language AND due process of law.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality: George W C Bush43 |
03 Jun 2005 02:49:04 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:20:15 -0500, jls wrote
Exactly but the dissemblers of the Bush gang just change the definitions.
The meaning of any word can be changed at will with these shady people.
You call it (obviously not a person so an "it") an enemy combatant and it is
not entitled to any of the processes of international law and may be
imprisoned indefinitely, even forever. Cheaper that way too, so more money
for Cheney's corporations and corporate friends. Thus, Amnesty's comment
about the Gulag.
***********
And President and Commander-in-Chief
George W C Bush43 stated:
"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of --
and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, people who hate
America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble --
that means not tell the truth." ----- Illiterate Yalie Bush simultaneously
dissassembling the English language AND due process of law.
Ah, thank you. I wasn't where I could write it down when I
heard George W C Bush43 make that incredibly ignorant,
almost unbelievably stupid statement.
Let us reiterate what one of George W C Bush's professors
at Harvard Business School said about Graduate Student
Bush:
not just as a terrible student
but as spoiled, loutish and a
pathological liar
The good professor left out "coward" and "druggie".
Gray Shockley
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"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 02:49:58 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 06:57:03 -0400, LeMod Pol wrote:
sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
LeMod Pol pasted:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
Life, liberty, and the avoidance of reality
By Mike S. Adams May 31, 2005
University administrators, professors, and student
newspapers are becoming so detached from reality that
one can hardly write satire about university life. Nor
can one muster the sarcasm necessary to give these
people the ridicule they deserve.
////\\\\
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
Dr. Adams is a professor at UNC-Wilmington and author
of:- Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel:
Confessions of a Conservative College Professor
"a brilliant, but disturbing expose of life in
postmodern academia today"
The moral relativism of contemporary conservatives
nevers ceases to astound, and confound.
not really - moral relativism is your game
IN ALL CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS, NO PERSON SHALL BE
stripped of life, limb, or property without first receiving
due process of law, which in America includes minimally:
*a public presentment of the charges against the accused;
you have missed something - none of those detained in
gtmo are "criminals" and thus have had no charges laid.
They are enemy fighters captured in a war zone and must
be held until hostilities are finally ended.
What jury said they're either fighters or guilty?
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 11:35:22 AM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 05:57:03 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
not really - moral relativism is your game
Where have I heard this before? Someone accuses someone of
"moral relativism". Is it just a phrase for propaganda or
is it a phrase to identify one's fellow "true believers"?
Ah, yes; here it is:
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- Freudian Psychoanalysis lines Jewish pockets and
pushes Moral Relativism, victimhood and whining. It
counsels the spoiling of our children, the softening of our
men, and the ruin of our society¹s healthy sense of
propriety.
- Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner, other
Jews were the leaders behind the ³Hippie² culture of drug
abuse, sexual promiscuity and contempt for tradition.
Vietnam War protests were disproportionately Jewish as
well; ³Students for a Democratic Society² was run by Jews
Todd Gitlin, Mike Spiegel, Al Haber and Mike Klonsky.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-usa-
sds.html
- Jews are the major producers of pornography in this
country:
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=778
http://www.holywar.org/jewishtr/criporn.htm,
http://www.natvan.com/free-speech/fs0102b.html
<http://www.skinnysite.com/ManifestoFeb15.htm>
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I'm not surprised that Lem Odd Politician chooses to use a
nom d'un lâche. It's easier to call other people names from
under a rock at midnight while hiding behind one's dress
and duncecap.
Gray Shockley
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Jewish by the grace of John Knight
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| User: "sue_doe_cy_ants" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
10 Jun 2005 09:35:44 AM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 05:57:03 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
not really - moral relativism is your game
Where have I heard this before? Someone accuses someone of
"moral relativism". Is it just a phrase for propaganda or
is it a phrase to identify one's fellow "true believers"?
Ah, yes; here it is:
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- Freudian Psychoanalysis lines Jewish pockets and
pushes Moral Relativism, victimhood and whining. It
counsels the spoiling of our children, the softening of our
men, and the ruin of our society=B9s healthy sense of
propriety.
- Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Paul Krassner, other
Jews were the leaders behind the =B3Hippie=B2 culture of drug
abuse, sexual promiscuity and contempt for tradition.
Vietnam War protests were disproportionately Jewish as
well; =B3Students for a Democratic Society=B2 was run by Jews
Todd Gitlin, Mike Spiegel, Al Haber and Mike Klonsky.
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I'm not surprised that Lem Odd Politician chooses to use a
nom d'un l=E2che. It's easier to call other people names from
under a rock at midnight while hiding behind one's dress
and duncecap.
Gray Shockley
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Jewish by the grace of John Knight
ah, but it was i,
a 4th dimensional political vagrant
who threw the term into his hypocrital face.
btw, Jerry Rubin WAS a moral relavitist.
His rather strange and untimely demise,
a possible testimony to karma.
Abbie Hoffman, although only known from an ellipse,
was a man of principles, whether i agreed
with him all the time or not is irrelevant.
Krassner is fine in my book, this doesn't change
now that you've told me his heritage.
i am an abysmal failure at recognisng this *****;
and here all this time i though he was just an American.
SDS...now they could be a strange bunch.
much too effing serious with their antiwar.
Verbose and Pompous Educated Dogmaticians to the extreme,
(my politics being more groucho than karl)
never grasping that their desire to be hip,
was their biggest obstacle to being it;
but they had cute and intelligent girlfriends,
who went out of their way to make antiwar vets comfy,
and willed greatly to get them stoned.
good times, good memories, and an easy chill down from country.
Wouldn't surprise me at all though if many former SDS
took the same turn as the apologist Horowitz.
New Left, NeoCon, contemporary conservatives;
PolitiqueChic NeoPoseurs spewing rhetorical whinniness,
whichever direction seems the most propitious trajectory
for them to achieve their real goal:
fame and fortune, the truth notwithstanding.
will peace...
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 11:40:43 AM |
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Gray writes:
Gray Shockley
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Jewish by the grace of John Knight
Whoa! Good one!
Consider it stolen...
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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03 Jun 2005 02:56:38 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:40:43 -0500, Cary Kittrell wrote
Gray writes:
Gray Shockley
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Jewish by the grace of John Knight
Whoa! Good one!
Consider it stolen...
-- cary
But I thought you were from the Baptist Race.
++ gray
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| User: "sue_doe_cy_ants" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 02:36:26 AM |
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LeMod Pol wrote:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
~ ` ~ ` ~ ` ~
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
contemporary conservatives,
the wielders of moral relativism.
No REAL Conservative would cite Roosevelt.
No REAL Conservative would read a zine that
publishes works by
a self-confessed and unrepentant
American Traitor.
David Horowitz is a self-confessed, unrepentant traitor.
<http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1138>
to say nothing about publishing
the dishonourable North,
who violated his oath of protecting the Constitution,
by engaging in war that contradicted Congressional mandate,
and committed perjury testifying about it under oath.
The situationalism of the right is repugnant.
Weigh it in the balance:
On one side place lies under oath
about acts of consensual sex.
One the other side,
place lies under oath
about engaging in unconstitutional war.
which way does the balance lean?
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 04:57:12 AM |
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sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
LeMod Pol wrote:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
~ ` ~ ` ~ ` ~
www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
contemporary conservatives,
the wielders of moral relativism.
What has that piece of nonsense to do with the subject
other than displaying your ignorance?
No REAL Conservative would cite Roosevelt.
He was still by general consensus one of the top three
presidents in history - and the quote is particularly
apt for our times.
No REAL Conservative would read a zine that
publishes works by
a self-confessed and unrepentant
American Traitor.
You apparently are afraid of change and the unknown (to
you) and of anything that does not fit in your tiny
cookie-cutter mind.
David Horowitz is a self-confessed, unrepentant traitor.
<http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1138>
David Horowitz is a brilliant intellectual who
campaigns for academic freedom - something disappearing
from our campuses.
to say nothing about publishing
the dishonourable North,
who violated his oath of protecting the Constitution,
by engaging in war that contradicted Congressional mandate,
and committed perjury testifying about it under oath.
I guess you are not aware of the "First Amendment" and
freedom of the press.
The situationalism of the right is repugnant.
The stupidity of the left is worse.
Weigh it in the balance:
On one side place lies under oath
about acts of consensual sex.
and conspires with the enemy.
One the other side,
place lies under oath
Proof??
about engaging in unconstitutional war.
Proof
which way does the balance lean?
Certainly not your way.
Propaganda - that is what has been coming from the left
wing and their mass media mouthpieces. You are just a
silly child who has bought that tripe without the
intellectual curiosity to peek under the cover.
Your rant here demonstrates your total "Avoidance of
Reality". Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.
Broaden your perspectives -- it will change your tune dramatically.
--
LP
Those who show compassion to perpetrators of evil
will display indifference and cruelty to good people
deserving compassion.
* Talmud- kohlet midrabba 7:36
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 06:33:26 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 04:57, anonymous poster wrote:
Propaganda - that is what has been coming from the left
wing and their mass media mouthpieces.
If you are seeing "Propaganda" "from the left" and have
failed to see/hear the "Propaganda" "from the" left, also,
you are indeed a "naive and sentimental" consumer.
You are just a
silly child who has bought that tripe without the
intellectual curiosity to peek under the cover.
I got my first shortwave radio when i was 12 and one of my
earliest conclusions was that when VOA and Radio Moscow
agreed on something, it was prolly the "truth" or a close
relative.
Your rant here demonstrates your total "Avoidance of
Reality".
And you appear to be unaware that whether one is right-wing
or left-wing, one can only fly in circles and it is
unimportant in which direction you fly this circle.
Apparently, you are another of these religious fanatics who
have the answers before you know what are the questions.
[Obviously - so I'll explain this for you - I mean by
"religious" whatever your prime belief(s).
Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.
You sound as if you're swigging some of that decaf with a
lot of cream and sugar. Pretty "watered down".
Broaden your perspectives -- it will change your tune dramatically.
You seem to be able to prove nothing other than that the
good die young.
Gray Shockley
---------------------------------------
President George W C Bush's business professor at
Harvard Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls
our President as "not just as a terrible student but as
spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar".
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| User: "Proconsul" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 04:09:13 PM |
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sue_doe_cy_ants wrote:
| LeMod Pol wrote:
|| "Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
|| consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
|| historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
|| In his heart, he knows he's still right."
||
|| ~ ` ~ ` ~ ` ~
|| www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20050531.shtml
||
|| "We are fighting today for security, for progress,
|| and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
|| men, not only for one generation but for all
|| generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
|| of ancient evils, ancient ills."
||
|| Franklin Delano Roosevelt
|| State of the Union Address - 1942
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| contemporary conservatives,
| the wielders of moral relativism.
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| No REAL Conservative would cite Roosevelt.
| No REAL Conservative would read a zine that
| publishes works by
| a self-confessed and unrepentant
| American Traitor.
|
| David Horowitz is a self-confessed, unrepentant traitor.
| <http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1138>
|
| to say nothing about publishing
| the dishonourable North,
| who violated his oath of protecting the Constitution,
| by engaging in war that contradicted Congressional mandate,
| and committed perjury testifying about it under oath.
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| The situationalism of the right is repugnant.
|
| Weigh it in the balance:
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| On one side place lies under oath
| about acts of consensual sex.
|
| One the other side,
| place lies under oath
| about engaging in unconstitutional war.
|
| which way does the balance lean?
It's clear you've been smoking the good stuff.....
Rarely has any individual been so completely wrong in their assessment of
ANY group or political philosophy.....and so completely wrong about the
facts of the situations/events posted.....:(
PC
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 05:14:41 PM |
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Proconsul wrote:
It's clear you've been smoking the good stuff.....
Naaahh!! that's your trick
Rarely has any individual been so completely wrong in their assessment of
ANY group or political philosophy.....and so completely wrong about the
facts of the situations/events posted.....:(
one can not argue with one who demonstrates absolute
ignorance and refuses to detail the errors he claims.
Of course the jackasses opinions are just that -
misguided, delusional and in total avoidance of
reality
It seems that was the subject of the thread, wasn't it.
It is really rare when someone follows-up with a
perfect demonstration of the verity of the argument.
<G>
--
LP
You libs keep on broadcasting the faeces of the male
bovine animal, and pray that the excrement never hits
the portable cooling device
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 06:00:13 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:46:26 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the
consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of their
historical origins. But none of that matters to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters in
these groups <G>]
~~~ ~~~^~~~ ~~~
I don't bemoan that the contributors of "American
Renaissance" are no longer teaching in American (or any
other country's) colleges and universities.
I prefer "liberals" teaching my grandchildren compared to
the "conservatives" that I had teaching me in Mississippi
schools in the 50's and 60's [1-12 & 1-4].
Gray Shockley/Vicksburg, MS
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President George W C Bush's business professor at
Harvard Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls
our President as "not just as a terrible student but as
spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar".
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 08:26:33 PM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:46:26 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about
the consequences of his ideas as he is ignorant of
their historical origins. But none of that matters
to him.
In his heart, he knows he's still right."
[Apparently also an apt description of many posters
in these groups <G>]
~~~ ~~~^~~~ ~~~
I don't bemoan that the contributors of "American
Renaissance" are no longer teaching in American (or
any other country's) colleges and universities.
I prefer "liberals" teaching my grandchildren compared to
the "conservatives" that I had teaching me in Mississippi
schools in the 50's and 60's [1-12 & 1-4].
You had to go to the third world to find worse schools
than could be found in MS
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
22 Jun 2005 12:38:45 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:26:33 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
(in article <429FB1C7.7E65A381@igs.net>):
You had to go to the third world to find worse schools
than could be found in MS
--
LP
Okay, Porky; I realize that your mind is made up and you have no
interest in facts nor could you deal with them, so I'll just
reprint a response I gave over in the militia ng in 2001 to a
fellow baseball player of yours (three strikes, no balls,
thousands of errors, impossible for there to be a man on base):
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I hope you asked for a refund of your tuition. Oh ... I see the
Univeristy of Mississippi. That bastion of intelligencia. LMAO!
Yep, poor me.
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<http://www.umf.olemiss.edu/newsletter5/scholars.html>
"Of the 624 public universities in the United States, only six
have produced more Rhodes Scholars than Ole Miss: the
universities of Virginia, North Carolina, Washington, Wisconsin,
Montana and Texas. Ole Miss is tied with the universities of
Michigan and Oklahoma and West Virginia University for the
seventh-place spot."
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<http://www.olemiss.edu/orgs/pbk/>
"Phi Beta Kappa, founded at the College of William and Mary in
1776, is the oldest undergraduate honors organization in the
United States. Its mission is to recognize academic excellence
and promote education in the liberal arts and sciences.
"For the past two hundred and twenty-five years, election to Phi
Beta Kappa has been a recognition of outstanding academic
achievement. The goal of the Phi Beta Kappa Society is to
encourage humane learning - an object which transcends the mere
gaining of knowledge to encompass breadth of interest, depth of
understanding, intellectual honesty, and respect for a diversity
of informed opinion. Today, the Phi Beta Kappa Society, with
about half a million living members, is one of the nation's
leading advocates for the liberal arts and sciences at the
undergraduate level.
"The University of Mississippi Chapter of Phi Beta Kappa was
chartered on April 6, 2001. It is the second of two chapters
established in the state, with the Alpha of Mississippi Chapter
residing at Millsaps College. Ole Miss is now in an elite group
of only 262 colleges and universities in the nation that shelter
a chapter. In addition to recognizing outstanding undergraduates
at an annual initiation ceremony, the University of Mississippi
Chapter sponsors lectures by distinguished Phi Beta Kappa
Visiting Scholars."
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While you were "laughing your ***** off", I hope you didn't pull
any muscles in your neck or do any brain damage.
My goodness, my "filth filter" is going off on another message by
you. My, my, my - such filth.
You really are lower-class trash.
Gray Shockley
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"They imagine they're the wave of the future,
but it's only sewage flowing downhill."
- Lois McMaster Bujold
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Closing from above will do just fine for you, too, overage boy
with /serious/ ego and identity problems.
++ gray
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
22 Jun 2005 12:48:54 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 20:26:33 -0500, LeMod Pol wrote
(in article <429FB1C7.7E65A381@igs.net>):
You had to go to the third world to find worse schools
than could be found in MS
--
LP
You collectivists sure do wonders with your pathetic stereotypes.
Perhaps one of the advantages of being a Mississippian is there
has been, historically, so many problems here that one either
surrenders to the quagmire or rises above it.
You appear not to have had any such problem: you are part and
parcel of that quagmire.
My Mom is about - from what you've stated - ten years older than
you. She's quite feeble physically whereas you appear to be
suffering from encroaching senile dementia.
But your attempt to overcome your knowledge of your inferiority
can't be blamed solely on age because you appear to be just
following in the timeworn ruts of your mind - ruts well worn by
decades of inferiority and resentment of that inferiority.
You're still just a 4th string baseball player with three
strikes, no balls, a lifetime of errors and you could never
achieve being a man left on base.
Gray Shockley
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President George W C Bush's business professor at
Harvard Business School, Professor Yoshi Tsurumi, recalls our
President as "not just as a terrible student but as spoiled,
loutish and a pathological liar".
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| User: "Daniel J. Stern" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
01 Jun 2005 01:02:40 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, LeMod Pol wrote:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the consequences of
his ideas as he is ignorant of their historical origins. But none of
that matters to him. In his heart, he knows he's still right."
When I was in my final year at the University of Michigan, I took an
Ethics course to fill an empty spot in my schedule. Already had all my
credits and such, didn't need the course, but took it anyhow. Went to the
lecture exactly once; it was worthless, and the time was much better spent
simply reading the (mostly well-selected and well-written) texts and the
references therein. But the discussion section was run to an excellent
standard by an instructor who gave a *****. So I always went to discussion
section.
The idea of balance in rights and freedoms was central to the course. How
it's defined, how it's determined, how it's attempted, whether it should
be enforced, and so on). One week, each of us had to sign onto a group
that would debate a current social issue in front of the rest of the
class. Options were e.g. abortion, Affirmative Action, gay marriage,
prayer in schools, etc. I was in the "gay marriage" group. The usual
points were covered, pro and con, and then came time for audience
participation.
A young black woman who had vociferously argued in favor of keeping
Affirmative Action in place now and forever ["Segregation today,
segregation tomorrah, segregation fo'evah"...? -DS] stood up and said "I
don't think gay marriage should be allowed because it will only encourage
people to be gay."
My response: "Do you suppose Affirmative Action encourages people to be
black?"
The instructor bit her lip and tried to hold in her laughter. Most of the
rest of the class wasn't successful in their similar efforts.
The young black lady ditt'n git it.
-DS (Yes, I just mocked Ebonics. Sue me.)
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 06:11:15 PM |
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:02:40 -0500, Daniel J. Stern wrote
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, LeMod Pol wrote:
"Today's university liberal is as apathetic about the consequences of
his ideas as he is ignorant of their historical origins. But none of
that matters to him. In his heart, he knows he's still right."
When I was in my final year at the University of Michigan, I took an
Ethics course to fill an empty spot in my schedule. Already had all my
credits and such, didn't need the course, but took it anyhow. Went to the
lecture exactly once; it was worthless, and the time was much better spent
simply reading the (mostly well-selected and well-written) texts and the
references therein. But the discussion section was run to an excellent
standard by an instructor who gave a *****. So I always went to discussion
section.
The idea of balance in rights and freedoms was central to the course. How
it's defined, how it's determined, how it's attempted, whether it should
be enforced, and so on). One week, each of us had to sign onto a group
that would debate a current social issue in front of the rest of the
class. Options were e.g. abortion, Affirmative Action, gay marriage,
prayer in schools, etc. I was in the "gay marriage" group. The usual
points were covered, pro and con, and then came time for audience
participation.
A young black woman who had vociferously argued in favor of keeping
Affirmative Action in place now and forever ["Segregation today,
segregation tomorrah, segregation fo'evah"...? -DS] stood up and said "I
don't think gay marriage should be allowed because it will only encourage
people to be gay."
My response: "Do you suppose Affirmative Action encourages people to be
black?"
The instructor bit her lip and tried to hold in her laughter. Most of the
rest of the class wasn't successful in their similar efforts.
The young black lady ditt'n git it.
-DS (Yes, I just mocked Ebonics. Sue me.)
In the early 70's, I was taking a course in "The Sociology
of the Family" and we were discussing "feminism". One of
the gentlemen taking the course stated: "I just don't
understand; if my wife wants to get on top, I'll let her."
The white gentman jist din't understan.
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the
name of one of Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
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| User: "Daniel J. Stern" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 06:25:59 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Gray Shockley wrote:
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the name of one of
Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
That sound came to have that name 'cause Apple shamelessly lifted it from
an early version of Windows.
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 08:19:53 PM |
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"Daniel J. Stern" wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Gray Shockley wrote:
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the name of one of
Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
That sound came to have that name 'cause Apple shamelessly lifted it from
an early version of Windows.
Not true - it existed before there was the windows rip off
--
LP
"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
02 Jun 2005 07:37:25 PM |
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the name of one of
Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
That sound came to have that name 'cause Apple shamelessly lifted it from
an early version of Windows.
Actually, it has to do with the Beatles.
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| User: "Daniel J. Stern" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 12:00:06 PM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 wrote:
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the name of
one of Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
That sound came to have that name 'cause Apple shamelessly lifted it
from an early version of Windows.
Actually, it has to do with the Beatles.
While there's an ongoing legal fracas between Apple Records and Apple
Computer, the sound in question was originally a Windows sound.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 12:03:53 AM |
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On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:25:59 -0500, Daniel J. Stern wrote
On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Gray Shockley wrote:
++ gray (Yes, I just mocked RedNecks & I are one. In the name of one of
Apple Computer's sounds: sosumi.)
That sound came to have that name 'cause Apple shamelessly lifted it from
an early version of Windows.
Not hardly.
The sosumi sound came from a sarcastic Apple guy during the
Apple Computer/Apple (as in Beatles) Music suit.
Microsoft licensed Apple's interface for Windows 3.0. Apple
sued Microsoft when they used the Apple interface on
Windows 3.1 and Apple lost the lawsuit.
Also, MS-DOS was bought from Seattle Computer and they, in
turn, had basically just ripped off CP/M.
The guy who was teaching me MS-DOS 3.2 kept starting to say
I was using the wrong commands and he couldn't believe
those commands I was using worked. Fer instance, ERA and
DEL both worked.
If you want to see what Microsoft is going to do in two
years, look at Apple today.
Gray Shockley
----------------------
Apple since 1981
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 11:51:55 AM |
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Or maybe Linux, NT/XP strikes me as having copied some of the
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03 Jun 2005 04:05:48 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:51:55 -0500, Secret Squirrel wrote
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Gray Shockley <grayshockley@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0001HW.BEC54EE90029EDF2102AAA00@news.giganews.com:
If you want to see what Microsoft is going to do in two
years, look at Apple today.
Or maybe Linux, NT/XP strikes me as having copied some of the
principles of Linux.
Mac Operating System X is UNIX of the BSD persuasion with
some open source software used. (go up on Eskimo)
Apple's "old" UNIX (middle 90's) was A/UX (rel 3.1.1 was
the last).
It'll run CRUX, Darwin (essentially the respected father of
MOS X), Debian (even for the antique 68K Mac), Fedora,
Gentoo Linux 2004.3, LINUX/PPC (since 2000), MachTen,
Mandrakelinux for PPC, mkLinux DR3, NetBSD, OpenBSD 3.5,
ROCK Linux 2 plus my old favorite, Yellow Dog Linux.
[caution: "war story" ahead - you have been warned]:
[I was the Macintosh mechanic for the old Signal Warfare
Laboratory at the now deceased Vint Hill Farm Station and
you haven't seen "pushed" unless you've seen hard core
artists pushing it.
[I once did an 8000k file (magazine cover) using Adobe
Illustrator. Notice I'm talking an ///Illustrator (.ai)///
Postscript file, not a "PhotoShop" or some such file.
[I put it into the printer at about 5pm. According to the
various logs, it finished printing between twoam and
threeam. And I turned it in at 7am. In other words, if it
hadn't printed on the first attempt, I would have had to
figure out - very quickly - a fallback cover.]
So even the old Mac OS (this was prolly right before System
7 was introduced - Adobe Illustrator we were using then was
Illustrator 88) has had some nifty innovations.
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Daniel J. Stern" |
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| Title: Re: Life, Liberty, and the Avoidance of Reality |
03 Jun 2005 12:05:24 PM |
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On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Gray Shockley wrote:
The sosumi sound came from a sarcastic Apple guy during the
Apple Computer/Apple (as in Beatles) Music suit.
I was fairly sure I was right, but Jim Reekes (who wrote System 7's sound
manager, which debuted the sound in question) agrees with you. So, I sit
corrected.
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