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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "nan"
Date: 31 May 2004 02:36:49 PM
Object: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields...
John McCrae, 1915
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In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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User: "Charlie Cloud"

Title: Re: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields... 31 May 2004 02:50:07 PM
On 31 May 2004 12:36:49 -0700,
(nan) wrote:

John McCrae, 1915
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Suicide in the Trenches
I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain,
No-one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced cowards with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you’ll never know
The Hell where youth and laughter go.
Siegfried Sassoon
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User: "Alan Hope"

Title: Re: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields... 31 May 2004 04:14:08 PM
Charlie Cloud goes:

On 31 May 2004 12:36:49 -0700,

(nan) wrote:

John McCrae, 1915
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Suicide in the Trenches
I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain,
No-one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced cowards with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you’ll never know
The Hell where youth and laughter go.
Siegfried Sassoon

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
From Dulce et decorum est -- Wilfred Owen, d. Aug 1918, in a
machine-gun attack in France
--
AH
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User: "Bo Raxo"

Title: Re: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields... 31 May 2004 11:30:50 PM
"Alan Hope" <ahope@skynet.be> wrote in message
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Charlie Cloud goes:

On 31 May 2004 12:36:49 -0700,

(nan) wrote:


John McCrae, 1915
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.


We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.


Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Suicide in the Trenches


I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.
In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain,
No-one spoke of him again.
You smug-faced cowards with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The Hell where youth and laughter go.


Siegfried Sassoon


If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.

From Dulce et decorum est -- Wilfred Owen, d. Aug 1918, in a
machine-gun attack in France


--
AH

On this Memorial Day, while Iraq is filled with death and suffering amongst
soldiers, civilians, and those who aren't quite either one, World War I
provides an apt source from which to draw some perspective.
What made World War I so terrible was that victory on the battlefield didn't
end the war. The Germans seized most of northern France, and France's
industy and economy collapsed. But the French didn't surrender (a point
frequently forgotten by francophobes in the U.S.). They didn't have to: the
armies weren't that mobile, and France's allies provided the materials and
finance to continue fighting.
And so the war dragged on, year after bloody year, horror after horror as
thousands would die in a single day, for absolutely no strategic result.
Winning a battle meant nothing to the war.
The parallel to Iraq is striking: there, too, victory on the battlefield has
no meaning towards the wider strategic goals. Firefights that wipe out
forty or fifty Iraqi resistance fighters in a stroke don't slow the pace of
improvised roadside explosives, or suicide car bombs. The killing of Iraqi
civilians by both sides has no real effect on the American public's support
for the war, while it makes the stabilization of Iraq that is essential to
reconstruction and democracy ever more remote.
The soldiers in World War I were told they were fighting the war to end all
wars. That turned out to be a cruel lie, as Europe was not ready to stop
fighting and killing. Even to this day, places like Chechnya prove Europe
has a long road before it sees an end to war even on it's own contintent.
The soldiers dying today in Iraq were told they were fighting to save the
world from Saddam's WMDs. When that reason fell apart, they were told it
was to save the world from Saddam. He's been in a cell for months now, and
those soldiers are dying in some of the highest numbers yet. Iraqi civilians
caught in the crossfire continue to suffer and die.
Now these people are being told they are dying to bring Iraq democracy.
They told the soldiers of WWI that they were making the world safe for
democracy. But looking around Europe a generation after the end of WWI,
most of it was anything but. The defeated countries of WWI were ruled by
ruthless dictators, and the monarchy that allied with the west (Russia in
WWI, analogous to the role of Saudi Arabia in the modern situation) turned
in to the greatest threat to security and stability the planet had ever
seen.
We've gone a very long way down a road that, 90 years ago, set the stage for
much of the worst carnage of the 20th century (oh, not all, though, nodding
to Mao). This Memorial Day, along with thoughts of the soldiers who have
died, who are dying even on this very day, take a minute to think about why
they are dying, and whether it really is making the world - or even Iraq - a
safer place.
Take care,
Bo Raxo
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User: "Docky Wocky"

Title: Re: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields... 31 May 2004 11:44:59 PM
The best think that could ever be said about France was said during Tom
Seleck's, "Ike", when DeGaul was exposed for the world to see as the scum
bag he really was.
.




User: ""

Title: Re: Memorial Day: In Foreign Fields... 31 May 2004 03:21:51 PM
The Vietnam Memorial Wall
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The Vietnam Memorial Wall shows the names of those who died in the Vietnam War.
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http://www.vietvet.org/thewall.htm
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http://www.combatvets.net/Wall/theWall.htm
http://www.nps.gov/vive/home.htm
http://www.themovingwall.org/
http://www.thevirtualwall.org/
http://www.vietnamwallexperience.com/SaltLakeCityUT.htm
http://www.vietnamwall.org/
http://www.viewthewall.com/
http://www.virtualwall.org/
http://www.war-stories.com/wall-search-1.htm
http://grunt.space.swri.edu/thewall/thewallm.html
http://lsb.syr.edu/projects/rfa/vwall.html
http://thewall-usa.com/
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