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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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30 Aug 2007 07:56:13 AM |
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No Original Document of the Koran |
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 08:41:45 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <> wrote in message ...
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents)
Wishful thinking does not make it so Kenny!!
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letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
But we do have original copies of Sumerian tablets. And it's amazing how
much of your religion was borrowed from them!!
Smile.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 09:18:20 AM |
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On Aug 30, 8:41 am, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <> wrote in message ...
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents)
Wishful thinking does not make it so Kenny!!
from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
But we do have original copies of Sumerian tablets. And it's amazing how
much of your religion was borrowed from them!!
Smile.
How do you know they are the originals?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 09:36:58 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <> wrote in message
How do you know they are the originals?
Why don't you do a study of how Sumerian clay tablets were made, then come
back with an intelligent question??
Most of them are dated in the area of 2,000BC.
What would that be Kenny, 1,400 years before they figure the first OT was
written??
Smile.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 01:05:05 PM |
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On Aug 30, 9:36 am, "Zadok" <nob...@accesswave.ca> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <> wrote in message
How do you know they are the originals?
Why don't you do a study of how Sumerian clay tablets were made, then come
back with an intelligent question??
Most of them are dated in the area of 2,000BC.
What would that be Kenny, 1,400 years before they figure the first OT was
written??
Smile.
And you know they didn't get their stories from the Bible
how...exactly. Further, you still haven't proven these specific
tablets weren't copies of others or other things.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Zadok" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 03:43:15 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <> wrote in message ...
And you know they didn't get their stories from the Bible
how...exactly. Further, you still haven't proven these specific
tablets weren't copies of others or other things.
You sure are dumb.
Why would I have to prove anything to you.
But, I'll clue you in.
Here is the Kings list -
The surviving clay tablet was dated by the scribe who wrote it in the
reign of King Utukhegal of Erech (Uruk), which places it around 2125 B.C.
After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In
Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alaljar ruled for
36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years. Then Eridug fell and the
kingship was taken to Bad-tibira. In Bad-tibira, En-men-lu-ana ruled for
43200 years. En-men-gal-ana ruled for 28800 years. Dumuzid, the shepherd,
ruled for 36000 years. 3 kings; they ruled for 108000 years. Then Bad-tibira
fell (?) and the kingship was taken to Larag. In Larag, En-sipad-zid-ana
ruled for 28800 years. 1 king; he ruled for 28800 years. Then Larag fell (?)
and the kingship was taken to Zimbir. In Zimbir, En-men-dur-ana became king;
he ruled for 21000 years. 1 king; he ruled for 21000 years. Then Zimbir fell
(?) and the kingship was taken to Curuppag. In Curuppag, Ubara-Tutu became
king; he ruled for 18600 years. 1 king; he ruled for 18600 years. In 5
cities 8 kings; they ruled for 241200 years. Then the flood swept over.
You tell us clown!!
Anything there sound like it came from the bible??
Do you enjoy looking like an idiot??
Smile.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 12:11:40 PM |
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In article <1188478573.987587.41840@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Well, d'uh.
-- cary
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 01:06:22 PM |
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On Aug 30, 12:11 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1188478573.987587.41...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Well, d'uh.
-- cary
So, then, we can dismiss the Quran as an inaccurate copy in the same
way liberals do the Gospels?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 01:40:47 PM |
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In article <1188497182.496771.53410@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Aug 30, 12:11 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1188478573.987587.41...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Well, d'uh.
-- cary
So, then, we can dismiss the Quran as an inaccurate copy in the same
way liberals do the Gospels?
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. In fact, I would be
gobsmacked if it were the other way around.
-- cary
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 01:36:50 PM |
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They are all inaccurate copies of pure nonsense!
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188497182.496771.53410@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 30, 12:11 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1188478573.987587.41...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide
Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> writes:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Well, d'uh.
-- cary
So, then, we can dismiss the Quran as an inaccurate copy in the same
way liberals do the Gospels?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 10:38:59 AM |
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It makes no difference because they are all documents written by ancient
sheep herders with no knowledge of modern science and objective evidence of
reality.
This makes no more sense than arguing over whether not there is an original
of the Wizard of OZ.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1188478573.987587.41840@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 10:26:35 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Yes. Islam has the same problem as Christianity. And so does Judaism
- there is no particular evidence that *any* of the Old Testament was
written down before the Babylonian Captivity ended. Before that, it
was an oral tradition.
The Mormons come a little closer, in that their "original document"
disappeared only shortly before their scripture was published.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 12:13:28 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
For all the flack that the Christians have received for not having an
original document of the New Testament but only copies (though there
are a few fragments that very well could be original documents) from
letter well handled 2000 years ago, I just thought it important to
point out that there is also NOT ONE Koran (or Quran) original
document but only copies...most of which date hundreds of years from
the source date.
Yes. Islam has the same problem as Christianity. And so does Judaism
- there is no particular evidence that *any* of the Old Testament was
written down before the Babylonian Captivity ended. Before that, it
was an oral tradition.
The Mormons come a little closer, in that their "original document"
disappeared only shortly before their scripture was published.
And of course every single word of Ron's has been lovingly
preserved.
-- cary
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| User: "Kope" |
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| Title: Re: No Original Document of the Koran |
30 Aug 2007 05:03:21 PM |
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i am a radical muslim please read my blog, read how islam will win
the clash of civilization.
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