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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "Jd"
Date: 30 Jun 2007 06:07:36 PM
Object: Physics now questions the ToE, advances biblical "Creation"
Basically in that the speed of light may not actually be "constant"....
***Speed of light slowing down?***
Chris Bennett - WorldNetDaily.com
"The theory of evolution requires unfathomable lengths of time - eons ... billions and billions of
years. Even with all that time, it's still hard to imagine how complex biochemicals such as
hemoglobin or chlorophyll self assembled in the primordial goo. But to those of us who question the
process, the answer is always the same. Time. More time than you can grasp - timespans so vast that
anything is possible, even chance combinations of random chemicals to form the stunning complexities
of reproducing life."
"Modern physics is now considering a theory that could throw into confusion virtually all of the
accepted temporal paradigms of 20th-century science, including the age of the universe and the
billions of years necessary for evolution. Further, it raises the distinct possibility that
scientific validation exists for a (gasp) literal interpretation of the seminal passages of Genesis.
Goodbye Scopes trial."
"The theory is deceptively simple: The speed of light is not constant, as we've been taught since
the early 1930s, but has been steadily slowing since the first instance of time."
"Within the last 24 months, Dr. Joao Magueijo, a physicist at Imperial College in London, Dr. John
Barrow of Cambridge, Dr. Andy Albrecht of the University of California at Davis and Dr. John Moffat
of the University of Toronto have all published work advocating their belief that light speed was
much higher - as much as 10 to the 10th power faster - in the early stages of the "Big Bang" than it
is today. (It's important to note that none of these researchers have expressed any bias toward a
predetermined. answer, biblical or otherwise. If anything, they are antagonistic toward a biblical
worldview.)"
Jd
.

User: "Martin Phipps"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 08 Sep 2007 11:36:11 PM
On Sep 8, 9:34 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 8, 9:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is somehow a worse sin than
the abomination of sodomy.


It is. Even if one accepts that "the abomination of sodomy" is a sin,
it harms no one except those who partake of it. A lie, on the other
hand, harms others who are not partaking of the abomination.


Finally you've done it. In your public acceptance of the act of sodomy you've proven that for all
practical purposes you are indeed... a bi-sexual. (as is anyone who accepts homosexual behavior as
ok while professing to be a hetero).


So if I were to have condemned slavery back in the day, would that
have made me black?

Not if you were a negroe.

Well, I'm not. Nor am I bisexual or gay. Hence your theory that only
gays and bisexuals can live without rampant homophobia has just been
blown out of the water.
Martin
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 11 Sep 2007 07:31:04 PM
Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 8, 9:34 pm, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 8, 9:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is somehow a worse sin than
the abomination of sodomy.


It is. Even if one accepts that "the abomination of sodomy" is a sin,
it harms no one except those who partake of it. A lie, on the other
hand, harms others who are not partaking of the abomination.


Finally you've done it. In your public acceptance of the act of sodomy you've proven that for all
practical purposes you are indeed... a bi-sexual. (as is anyone who accepts homosexual behavior as
ok while professing to be a hetero).


So if I were to have condemned slavery back in the day, would that
have made me black?


Not if you were a negroe.


Well, I'm not. Nor am I bisexual or gay. Hence your theory that only
gays and bisexuals can live without rampant homophobia has just been
blown out of the water.

Martin

What? run that by me again if you don't mind.
Jd
.


User: "Martin Phipps"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 08 Sep 2007 01:48:38 AM
On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed
evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts,
covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye,
blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from
within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your hearts all
over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion. But I
do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass
away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do almost
everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe that you are
merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has not repented to God,
but are one who is here merely as just another one of the millions of
the lost sons enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in
hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words of
Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever and are
doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong in the
weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be more
specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that
breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no
murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as a
method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan here and who
is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out insistence that
you have a right to keep them forever! You do, but the only afterlife
you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that ANY
actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is full of phony
Christians pretending to be both Christian and conservative when, in
fact, they are devout sinners and radical theocrats--seditious, evil
people with designs on the constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is somehow a worse sin than
the abomination of sodomy.

Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.
Martin
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 08 Sep 2007 08:34:30 AM
Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed
evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts,
covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye,
blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from
within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your hearts all
over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion. But I
do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass
away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do almost
everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe that you are
merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has not repented to God,
but are one who is here merely as just another one of the millions of
the lost sons enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in
hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words of
Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever and are
doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong in the
weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be more
specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that
breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no
murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt
not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as a
method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan here and who
is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out insistence that
you have a right to keep them forever! You do, but the only afterlife
you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that ANY
actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is full of phony
Christians pretending to be both Christian and conservative when, in
fact, they are devout sinners and radical theocrats--seditious, evil
people with designs on the constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is somehow a worse sin than
the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.

Martin

"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to continually sin. And so deceivers tell
sinners that "sin" is ok.... all in the name of "freedom fighting".
Jd
.
User: "Dave Oldridge"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 08 Sep 2007 10:33:24 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an
evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things
come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your hearts
all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion.
But I do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass
away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace of
God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do almost
everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe that you
are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has not repented
to God, but are one who is here merely as just another one of the
millions of the lost sons enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to
spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words of
Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever and
are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong in the
weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be
more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by the grace of God
of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do
no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as a
method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan here
and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate God so
much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out insistence
that you have a right to keep them forever! You do, but the only
afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that ANY
actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is full of
phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and conservative
when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the constitutions
of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is
somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to continually
sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is ok.... all in the
name of "freedom fighting".

So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in order
to be saved?
You're goin'ta end up in hell, son and YOU are the only person who can
stop it! But your devil-spawn cult has persuaded you that it's all right
to be a teacher of heresies and that God will even reward you to be one.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 11 Sep 2007 07:31:05 PM
Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an
evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things
come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your hearts
all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion.
But I do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass
away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace of
God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do almost
everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe that you
are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has not repented
to God, but are one who is here merely as just another one of the
millions of the lost sons enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to
spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words of
Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever and
are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong in the
weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be
more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by the grace of God
of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a hammer
that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do
no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as a
method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan here
and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate God so
much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out insistence
that you have a right to keep them forever! You do, but the only
afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that ANY
actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is full of
phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and conservative
when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the constitutions
of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie" is
somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to continually
sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is ok.... all in the
name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in order
to be saved?

Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing against thy neighbor.
Heck, you probably don't even know who your neighbor is.
You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on all this, if God wants me to of
course.
Jd
"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of judgment, and of might, to declare
unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)
.
User: "Dave Oldridge"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 12 Sep 2007 01:43:32 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an
evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil
things come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion.
But I do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace
of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe
that you are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has
not repented to God, but are one who is here merely as just
another one of the millions of the lost sons enslaved by Satan,
and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words
of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever
and are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong
in the weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible
(Jesus, to be more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by
the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt
do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as
a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan
here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate
God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You do,
but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that
ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is
full of phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and
conservative when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the
constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie"
is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is ok....
all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing against
thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your neighbor is.

Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on all
this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and
to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)

That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the father of
lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and God wants you
to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling thing? You mistook
the N in repent for an A?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 12 Sep 2007 09:04:45 PM
Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an
evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil
things come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a discussion.
But I do understand how you derived those words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the grace
of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe
that you are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has
not repented to God, but are one who is here merely as just
another one of the millions of the lost sons enslaved by Satan,
and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the words
of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever
and are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong
in the weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible
(Jesus, to be more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by
the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt
do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it as
a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of Satan
here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do you hate
God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You do,
but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that
ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is
full of phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and
conservative when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the
constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie"
is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but nobody
wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is ok....
all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing against
thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your neighbor is.


Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on all
this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and
to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)


That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the father of
lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and God wants you
to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling thing? You mistook
the N in repent for an A?

I'm waiting for you to convince me that you're my neighbor. But you can't because you're in
Hillaries village where Sodomites are everyones neighbor.
Jd
.
User: "Dave Oldridge"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 14 Sep 2007 04:04:10 AM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:6s5he35aldrq8ci630rsovp2j7a1dcl7m8@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,
an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil
things come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a
discussion. But I do understand how you derived those
words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the
grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe
that you are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has
not repented to God, but are one who is here merely as just
another one of the millions of the lost sons enslaved by
Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the
words of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever
and are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong
in the weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible
(Jesus, to be more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by
the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt
do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it
as a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of
Satan here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do
you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You do,
but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that
ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is
full of phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and
conservative when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the
constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie"
is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but
nobody wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is
ok.... all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing against
thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your neighbor
is.


Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on all
this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and
to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)


That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the father
of lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and God wants
you to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling thing? You
mistook the N in repent for an A?


I'm waiting for you to convince me that you're my neighbor. But you
can't because you're in Hillaries village where Sodomites are
everyones neighbor.

I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you're
talking about. But that doesn't stop you from being abusive--and a liar.
God does love you. But personally, I can't think of a single reason why
He should.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 18 Sep 2007 08:04:33 PM
Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:6s5he35aldrq8ci630rsovp2j7a1dcl7m8@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men,
proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,
an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil
things come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a
discussion. But I do understand how you derived those
words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the
grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to believe
that you are merely just another lying scumbag sinner who has
not repented to God, but are one who is here merely as just
another one of the millions of the lost sons enslaved by
Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the
words of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and deciever
and are doomed to hell. But of course you can prove me wrong
in the weeks/months to follow by simply quoting the Bible
(Jesus, to be more specific) as I do.... as a sinner saved by
the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt
do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not
steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use it
as a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son of
Satan here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why do
you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You do,
but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised that
ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the US is
full of phony Christians pretending to be both Christian and
conservative when, in fact, they are devout sinners and radical
theocrats--seditious, evil people with designs on the
constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a "lie"
is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but
nobody wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is
ok.... all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing against
thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your neighbor
is.


Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on all
this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and
to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)


That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the father
of lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and God wants
you to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling thing? You
mistook the N in repent for an A?


I'm waiting for you to convince me that you're my neighbor. But you
can't because you're in Hillaries village where Sodomites are
everyones neighbor.


I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you're
talking about. But that doesn't stop you from being abusive--and a liar.

Of course you don't know what I'm talking about since you don't know God's Word.

God does love you. But personally, I can't think of a single reason why
He should.

You're personal opinion means nothing as long as your heart is full of darkness.....
You've yet to confess that "evolution" is an impossible replacement religion since
it is self evident that the innermost being of men has not advanced in the least (no matter what Dr.
Phil, Oprah, and all the positive thinking in the world says).
Jd
Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries,
fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye,
blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." - Jesus
.
User: "Dave Oldridge"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 19 Sep 2007 12:10:15 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:55u0f3hrusul4okpgsi60d7vkrvtu4dl16@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:6s5he35aldrq8ci630rsovp2j7a1dcl7m8@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of
men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications,
murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit,
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride,
foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and
defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a
discussion. But I do understand how you derived those
words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the
grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to
believe that you are merely just another lying scumbag
sinner who has not repented to God, but are one who is here
merely as just another one of the millions of the lost sons
enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the
words of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and
deciever and are doomed to hell. But of course you can
prove me wrong in the weeks/months to follow by simply
quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be more specific) as I do....
as a sinner saved by the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou
shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou
shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use
it as a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son
of Satan here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why
do you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You
do, but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in
hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised
that ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the
US is full of phony Christians pretending to be both
Christian and conservative when, in fact, they are devout
sinners and radical theocrats--seditious, evil people with
designs on the constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a
"lie" is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but
nobody wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is
ok.... all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing
against thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your
neighbor is.


Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on
all this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression,
and to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)


That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the
father of lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and
God wants you to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling
thing? You mistook the N in repent for an A?


I'm waiting for you to convince me that you're my neighbor. But you
can't because you're in Hillaries village where Sodomites are
everyones neighbor.


I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you're
talking about. But that doesn't stop you from being abusive--and a
liar.


Of course you don't know what I'm talking about since you don't know
God's Word.

You don't know God's Word. Or you hate what it says.

God does love you. But personally, I can't think of a single reason
why He should.


You're personal opinion means nothing as long as your heart is full of
darkness.....

It ain't my heart you have to worry about. It's your own, which is in a
state of total rebellion against the commandments of God. You think just
because you can cite scripture out of context and spin its meaning that
you're exempt from God's commandments. Well, you're not. And you will
learn that even if you refuse to acknowledge it. Eventually, you will
have to answer to the REAL GOD, not the one you made up with your silly
cult.

You've yet to confess that "evolution" is an impossible replacement
religion since it is self evident that the innermost being of men has
not advanced in the least (no matter what Dr. Phil, Oprah, and all the
positive thinking in the world says).

I never said evolution was a religion of any kind. That's YOUR lie.
Evolution is merely good science. But the fact that you don't like its
conclusions is causing you to use your dislike as a pretext for sin. Sin
is sin, son, no matter what your reason for it.

Jd

Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed
evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts,
covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye,
blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within,
and defile the man." - Jesus

Yep...so clean house already.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
.
User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 20 Sep 2007 05:45:05 PM
Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:55u0f3hrusul4okpgsi60d7vkrvtu4dl16@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:6s5he35aldrq8ci630rsovp2j7a1dcl7m8@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:9gjee358qpcgq1cakom8aaf0ug3ceem0d1@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:u5f5e3ldpsid395q41815ijqp7uei9985t@4ax.com:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 7, 10:40 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Dave Oldridge wrote:

Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:8rvhd313s16sco4ejhcfl1fo448tnjlfq3@4ax.com:


Dave Oldridge, the scumbag liar and deceptive Son of Satan
wrote:


Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote in
news:834cd3pa8gaafkmcu818p139clgv118dfi@4ax.com:


Mark 7:21-23 "For from within, out of the heart of
men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications,
murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit,
lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride,
foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and
defile the man." - Jesus


Dave Oldridge wrote:


What scientific discoveries would those be?


Apparently your boast is empty.


Some of them are more interested in truth than you are.


Yes and you and your "kind" vomit the filthiness of your
hearts all over the internet.


No, it's where your stuff comes from. Clearly.


That wasn't much for me to work with wrt having a
discussion. But I do understand how you derived those
words.


Jd


"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not
pass away." - Jesus (Luke 21:33)


Jesus' words. Yours are easily fogotten.


Fair enough. Afterall I'm merely a sinner, saved by the
grace of God.


However if you don't start quoting Jesus yourself (as I do
almost everytime I post a reply), I will be forced to
believe that you are merely just another lying scumbag
sinner who has not repented to God, but are one who is here
merely as just another one of the millions of the lost sons
enslaved by Satan, and is doomed to spend eternity in hell.


And I say that because you attributed credibility to the
words of Jesus (in your reply above).


So hey Dave..... I'm saying that you are a liar and
deciever and are doomed to hell. But of course you can
prove me wrong in the weeks/months to follow by simply
quoting the Bible (Jesus, to be more specific) as I do....
as a sinner saved by the grace of God of course.


Jd


"Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord; and like a
hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" (Jeremiah 23:29)


God said to Moses: "Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false
witness against thy neighbour."


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou
shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou
shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,


Since you clearly hold false witness in high esteem and use
it as a method of "debate," it's petty clear who is the son
of Satan here and who is the follower of the son of God. Why
do you hate God so much?


It's not your sins that condemn you, it's your flat-out
insistence that you have a right to keep them forever! You
do, but the only afterlife you can keep them forever in is in
hell.


The atheists treat you as the joke you are. I'm surprised
that ANY actual Christian takes you seriously. But then the
US is full of phony Christians pretending to be both
Christian and conservative when, in fact, they are devout
sinners and radical theocrats--seditious, evil people with
designs on the constitutions of every democracy in the world.


Like Bobby, you seem to be obsessed with the notion that a
"lie" is somehow a worse sin than the abomination of sodomy.


Actually, it is. Two people can have consentual anal sex but
nobody wants to be deceived.

Martin


"Sin" enslaves mens souls to where they can't help but to
continually sin. And so deceivers tell sinners that "sin" is
ok.... all in the name of "freedom fighting".


So why do you tell ME that I must sin (false witness is a sin) in
order to be saved?


Now you're confusing an ordinary "lie" with false witnessing
against thy neighbor. Heck, you probably don't even know who your
neighbor is.


Jesus explained that with His story of the Good Samaritan.

You are so confused.... I may have to get back with you later on
all this, if God wants me to of course.

Jd

"But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the Lord, and of
judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression,
and to Israel his sin." (Micah 3:8)


That was Micah. YOU are full of nonsense by the spirit of the
father of lies. Nonsense is not power. Your sins are manifest and
God wants you to REPENT, not REPEAT them. Perhaps it's a spelling
thing? You mistook the N in repent for an A?


I'm waiting for you to convince me that you're my neighbor. But you
can't because you're in Hillaries village where Sodomites are
everyones neighbor.


I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know what you're
talking about. But that doesn't stop you from being abusive--and a
liar.


Of course you don't know what I'm talking about since you don't know
God's Word.


You don't know God's Word. Or you hate what it says.

God does love you. But personally, I can't think of a single reason
why He should.


You're personal opinion means nothing as long as your heart is full of
darkness.....


It ain't my heart you have to worry about. It's your own, which is in a
state of total rebellion against the commandments of God. You think just
because you can cite scripture out of context and spin its meaning that
you're exempt from God's commandments. Well, you're not. And you will
learn that even if you refuse to acknowledge it. Eventually, you will
have to answer to the REAL GOD, not the one you made up with your silly
cult.

You've yet to confess that "evolution" is an impossible replacement
religion since it is self evident that the innermost being of men has
not advanced in the least (no matter what Dr. Phil, Oprah, and all the
positive thinking in the world says).


I never said evolution was a religion of any kind. That's YOUR lie.

Evolution is merely good science. But the fact that you don't like its
conclusions is causing you to use your dislike as a pretext for sin. Sin
is sin, son, no matter what your reason for it.

"Good science" eh? Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.
Jd
"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he
live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." - Jesus

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User: "Dave Oldridge"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 20 Sep 2007 09:15:32 PM
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in
news:1n16f3l7lpqia19ftefgggqrr0cjvvocvn@4ax.com:

Dave Oldridge wrote:


Evolution is merely good science. But the fact that you don't like
its conclusions is causing you to use your dislike as a pretext for
sin. Sin is sin, son, no matter what your reason for it.


"Good science" eh? Tell me what good science says about the
resurrection of Jesus.

Science has NOTHING to say about the resurrection of Jesus, since no
physical evidence is available for testing. Perhaps if He had submitted
Himself for examination to the few working scientists of His day we would
have some such evidence. But all we have are the written accounts of His
disciples (and theirs). From those accounts, it would seem pretty
certain that His death was real. That is all discernible bodily function
had ceased. Roman soldiers were experienced in making such
determinations, as such executions were horribly common at the time.

"I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though
he were dead, yet shall he live: and whosoever liveth and believeth in
me shall never die." - Jesus

So why don't you believe in Him?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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User: "Martin Phipps"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 21 Sep 2007 04:13:13 AM
On Sep 21, 6:45 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.

Good science tells us that Jesus never even existed.
Martin
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User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 21 Sep 2007 11:37:36 AM
Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 21, 6:45 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.


Good science tells us that Jesus never even existed.

Martin

Science has nothing to say about Jesus, according to Dave and me.
Jd
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User: "Martin Phipps"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 21 Sep 2007 12:11:52 PM
On Sep 22, 12:37 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 21, 6:45 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.


Good science tells us that Jesus never even existed.


Science has nothing to say about Jesus

Science says about as much about Jesus as it would the Flying
Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Martin
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User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 21 Sep 2007 01:58:10 PM
Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sep 22, 12:37 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 21, 6:45 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.


Good science tells us that Jesus never even existed.


Science has nothing to say about Jesus


Science says about as much about Jesus as it would the Flying
Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

which is "absolutely nothing".
lojbab
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User: "Jd"

Title: Re: A sampling of PhDs who reject evolution 27 Sep 2007 08:38:46 PM
Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 22, 12:37 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Martin Phipps wrote:

On Sep 21, 6:45 am, Jd <ZionsF...@att.net> wrote:

Tell me what good science says about the resurrection of Jesus.


Good science tells us that Jesus never even existed.


Science has nothing to say about Jesus


Science says about as much about Jesus as it would the Flying
Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Martin

If you mean "nothing" then I was right in the above. but then again it's difficult to tell what you
mean sometimes.
Would you like to explain what you mean and how you arrived at the conclusion that your "faith" in
science trumps my faith?
Jd
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