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18 Apr 2006 08:49:58 AM |
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Praying in public |
Praying in public
http://www.altoonamirror.com/articles.asp?articleID=813
Altoona Mirror - Altoona,PA,USA
[excerpt]
The Establishment clause prohibits government from declaring and
financially supporting religion.
Jeremy Leaming, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church
and State, explained that in this case, the Supreme Court recognizes that
the U.S. Congress opens their meetings with a non-denominational, generic
prayer.
“This kind of praying before legislative bodies is constitutional as long
as it’s universal or one that’s all-inclusive,” said Leaming. “When you get
to praying to a specific deity, it’s a constitutionally suspect situation.”
Rob Boston, also of Americans United for Separation of Church and State
added the Supreme Court basically said, if a local government consistently
uses one religious tradition, then they run the risk of violating the
separation of church and state.
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: Praying in public |
19 Apr 2006 12:54:06 AM |
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wrote:
Praying in public
http://www.altoonamirror.com/articles.asp?articleID=3D813
Altoona Mirror - Altoona,PA,USA
[excerpt]
The Establishment clause prohibits government from declaring and
financially supporting religion.
Jeremy Leaming, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church
and State, explained that in this case, the Supreme Court recognizes that
the U.S. Congress opens their meetings with a non-denominational, generic
prayer.
"This kind of praying before legislative bodies is constitutional as long
as it's universal or one that's all-inclusive," said Leaming. "When you g=
et
to praying to a specific deity, it's a constitutionally suspect situation=
.."
"Constitutionally suspect" is nothing more than anti-religious
expression innuendo that doesn't mean anything; it's a strawman.
The 1st Amendment prohibits any federal law that says that people
cannot pray out loud to a specific deity; but the politician and his
constituency must likewise respect the free speech rights of
politicians who pray out loud to other deities. However, if the people
who voted a given politician into office don't like the way that their
elected representative prays out loud to a certain deity then those
people can replace their representative with someone else.
Rob Boston, also of Americans United for Separation of Church and State
added the Supreme Court basically said, if a local government consistently
uses one religious tradition, then they run the risk of violating the
separation of church and state.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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