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Sociology > Education |
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"NotPoliticallyCorrect" |
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13 Sep 2005 10:20:06 PM |
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Public School plus minority's equals |
*WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is losing ground in education, as
peers across the globe zoom by with bigger gains in student achievement
and school graduations, a study shows.*
Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized
nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school
degree. In the same age group, the United States ranks seventh, with
Belgium, in the share of people who hold a college degree.
By both measures, the United States was first in the world as recently
as 20 years ago, said Barry McGaw, director of education for the
Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation
organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to
evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their
policies.
The degradation of American schools began in the 1960's when forced
integration began. Rather than pulling the minorities mostly blacks up
we dumbed down to make them feel better. Now we have California school
districts allowing people who fail to march in graduation ceremonys so
"We won't hurt their feelings"
Result? A steady fall in our education standards. Remember, China has no
inner city black kids to appease or any Jesse Jackson race war lords to
silence.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Public School plus minority's equals |
13 Sep 2005 11:31:18 PM |
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NotPoliticallyCorrect <thatsthedeal@earthlink.net> wrote:
Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized
nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school
degree. In the same age group, the United States ranks seventh, with
Belgium, in the share of people who hold a college degree.
By both measures, the United States was first in the world as recently
as 20 years ago, said Barry McGaw, director of education for the
Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation
organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to
evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their
policies.
The degradation of American schools began in the 1960's when forced
integration began. Rather than pulling the minorities mostly blacks up
we dumbed down to make them feel better. Now we have California school
districts allowing people who fail to march in graduation ceremonys so
"We won't hurt their feelings"
But that claim contradicts the above. The OECD claim is that the US
is NOT graduating as high a percentage of its kids as other countries
are. You are claiming that we are graduating TOO MANY kids (that
shouldn't be), a claim you don't in fact support with evidence.
(But of course if we are graduating too many, then perhaps the other
countries are doing so as well, in which case comparing graduation
rates is anything but productive).
As for college degrees, the US has multiple levels of education, not
just the 4 year degree level, so we have more kids attend college, but
many kids stop with a 2 year degree. In addition, finances cause many
kids to take extra years to get their degrees while they earn money to
pay for it (whereas for much of Europe, college education is
inexpensive or even free, paid for by the government), so the
percentage with a degree at 25 does not reflect the percentage who
will ultimately get a degree.
Result? A steady fall in our education standards.
Unsupported claim. In fact, our education standards are significantly
higher than they were when I attended school in the 60s, and it was
possible to graduate with only 1 or 2 years of math never getting
above basic algebra.
Remember, China has no
inner city black kids to appease or any Jesse Jackson race war lords to
silence.
Your point? You would rather we adopt Chinese-style totalitarianism
so that our minorities are as silent as their minorities?
Feel free to take the next boat to China, and you won't have to deal
with any more blacks. We won't miss you, racist slime.
lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Public School plus minority's equals |
14 Sep 2005 12:33:45 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
But that claim contradicts the above. The OECD claim is that the US
is NOT graduating as high a percentage of its kids as other countries
are. You are claiming that we are graduating TOO MANY kids (that
shouldn't be), a claim you don't in fact support with evidence.
Don't bother to explain when he contradicts
himself. Or that when he isn't doing that,
his argument consists entirely of post hocs
and ***** hocs.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Public School plus minority's equals |
14 Sep 2005 05:28:11 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:20, anonymous poster wrote:
*WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is losing ground in education, as
peers across the globe zoom by with bigger gains in student achievement
and school graduations, a study shows.*
Among adults age 25 to 34, the U.S. is ninth among industrialized
nations in the share of its population that has at least a high school
degree.
And, in the mid 1990's, the United States ranked ninth in the world in
percentage of GNP spent on public education.
In the same age group, the United States ranks seventh, with
Belgium, in the share of people who hold a college degree.
By both measures, the United States was first in the world as recently
as 20 years ago,
What percentage of the GNP was spent on public education "as recently as 20
years ago"?
said Barry McGaw, director of education for the
Paris-based Organization for Cooperation and Development. The 30-nation
organization develops the yearly rankings as a way for countries to
evaluate their education systems and determine whether to change their
policies.
The degradation of American schools began in the 1960's when forced
integration began. Rather than pulling the minorities mostly blacks
", mostly blacks, " improper punctuation
up
we dumbed down
"dumbed down" - quotation marks setting off colloquialism
to make them feel better. Now we have California school
districts allowing people who fail
"fail, " - puntuation error
to march in graduation ceremonys
improper plural - "ceremonies" is correct
so "We won't hurt their feelings"
no end-of-sentence punctuation
Result? A steady fall in our education standards. Remember, China has no
inner city black kids to appease or any Jesse Jackson race war lords to
silence.
UseNet is full of grammar and spelling mistakes and
they, generally, are ignored.
However, not in a message about "losing ground in education."
Gray Shockley
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"Swinehood hath no remedy." - Sidney Lanier
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