"J.Pascal" wrote:
What contact with the outside world do ALL homeschooled children have?
I am not asking about YOUR particular circumstances but what is UNIVERSAL
to
ALL homeschoolers.
Do you realize how *political* your insistance on a common
experience for all people is?
I'm not being "political" - I'm being honest. That is why I was asked by
the Australian Baptist Union to be the first person in Australia to speak on
"the pros and CONS of Christian schooling" at their annual national
celebration at Hahndorf, SA, in the early 90s. No-one at the time wanted to
discuss the cons of Christian schooling.
If homeschooling is universally good it must be good for EVERYONE ...
without exception.
If homeschooling is not universally good then what are the problems
associated with it?
NO-ONE on misc.education.home-school.christian wants to discuss the obvious
problems of homeschooling. How is that helpful for anyone deciding upon
homeschooling? Do you just tell them the good stuff and ignore the bad?
Because I dare to raise the problems I am called a troll.
If everyone thinks the same then you aren't thinking at all.
It's political, Mark. It's not educational.
Education is also political. Homeschooling is political. Ever read
"Teaching as a Subversive Activity?" or the work of Paulo Friere?????
It is also political on misc.education.home-school.christian in that it is
(for most people on this ng) a fearful irrational reaction to state control.
Such fear paints anyone who deviates from the official line as a troll. The
fear related groupings on this ng would be a good area for a sociology PhD
thesis.
The choice between a common authority vs. personal autonomy is a political
choice
made for reasons of political philosophy.
As a trained philosopher, I must disagree with you. It is based on one's
world view not on one's political philosophy. Furthermore the choice is not
an essentail choice - common authority and personal autonomy can co-exist
together. There are also many blends of the two ideas.
Everyone having everything all the same is a political value held by many
people.
I haven't heard that philosophy espoused anywhere in philosophy in the last
50 years ... except in communism. Who are the "many people" who espouse
this philosophy recently?
This is a problem with homeschooling. There is NO universal quality
control in homeschooling. Would you like to discuss this problem ... or
do
you just want to continue with your immature gossip about me?
What you call a problem, I call a strength because I see severe
weakness inherent in the philosophy that demands anything be
"universal."
Quality control is about ensuring quality education. This is an essentail
part of state schools, Christian schools, Catholic private schools and
distance education. It is NOT an essentail part (apparently) in
homeschooling.
That then begs the question: "How do you you really know if your kids are
getting a quality edcation?" (because that in essence is what quality
control is about)
By this I mean:
How is quality education in homeschooling measured?
Does it use BOTH assessment and evaluation?
What is the criteria against which assessments are made?
Who decides the criteria?
What are their qualifications for setting such criteria?
It is of no use to assert that homeschooling is quality education without
giving any substantial verifiable proof.
By quality education I mean a minimum of a consistent liberal education with
minimum standards and criteria (e.g. literacy, basic maths, knowledge of
one's country and political systems and it's place ion the world, general
art appreciation) that is available to all children regardless of
socio-economic status or the educational level of the parents.
By quality education I do not mean isolated examples of the very best
students of a systenm performing well. Every system has those!
Stated in plainer English, how do you really know that homeschooling is good
for ALL children? What is the verifiable evidence for your opinion?
Doesn't matter if it's nutrition, health care or education.
So you wouldn't mind if:
- nutritional products had no quality control and were basically useless and
without nutrition ... causing people to die from malnutrition
- health care had no quality control and anyone could be a doctor, prescribe
medication and do surgery ... and hospitals could be located in the local
sewers ... causing people to die by visiting a doctor or hospital
Is that the type of state that homeschoolers envisage?
Quality control in nutrition and health care ensures the quality of
nutrition and health care that everyone receives.
If there is NO quality control in homeschooling, how can you ensure that you
have quality education in homeschooling? Please explain.
So while I can discuss the issue of "isolation" or I can discuss the
philosophical differences defining an individualist or this sort of
"universal" preference, I can't frame those discussions as a discussion
of a "problem."
Then you are not thinking enough.
If everyone thinks the same then you aren't thinking at all.
Isn't that what's called "begging the question" when the question
itself is stated such that the answer isn't open to debate or
discussion?
Nothing about homeschooling is "universal"
Therefore it is without definition? I am therefore a homeschooler because
you cannot define homeschooling.
The definition of "homeschooler", in reality, is based on universal
attributes of homeschoolers.
What are those attributes?
... praise God.
Praise God for what?
The Psalms say "praise God because ..." What follows the call to praise
("Praise God ..." is the real praise (after the "because")
How is all this related to the question (not demand) "What contact with the
outside world do ALL homeschooled children have?"
Is isolation of a child from the rest of society a part of quality
education?
Is isolation of a child from the rest of society a possibility in
homeschooling?
If it is possible, do homeschoolers value isolationism? Why?
If it is NOT possible, please explain how it is not possible with reference
to the Branch Davidians at Waco and the People's Temple at Jonestown ...both
of whom homeschooled.
Did the the Branch Davidians at Waco and the People's Temple at Jonestown
provide quality education for their children?
Why are homeschoolers on misc.education.home-school.christian unable to
answer such basic questions?
Oh ... I forgot ... I'm supposed to be a troll who never discusses anything
......
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