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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "Alan Lichtenstein"
Date: 23 Aug 2003 11:16:47 AM
Object: Re: Bob LeChavalier Is An Imbecile!
cougar wrote:


I thought I told you the other day that you were not a smart man and to
stop acting like one.

You haven't ceased being an idiot. Why won't you stop?

Who's yer daddy, boy?!

King of SCAA

Bob may be opinionated and arrogant, but while he suffers from those
shortcomings, intellectual force is not one of them.
You, sir, have no right to evaluate your intellectual bettors. Bob is
indeed an intelligent and generally courteous individual, traits, which
apparently YOU lack.
This is evident in the FACT that you are unable to substantitively
refute his positions and conclusions, and have only to retreat to
personal insult in an vain attempt to carry your point. May assuage
your shallow and likely highly pierced ego, but it doesn't cut it.
Alan
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User: "cougey none"

Title: Re: Bob LeChavalier Is An Imbecile! 23 Aug 2003 01:31:26 PM
Alan Lichtenstein <alichtenstein@erols.com> wrote in news:3F47936F.4A77
@erols.com:

cougar wrote:


I thought I told you the other day that you were not a smart man and

to

stop acting like one.

You haven't ceased being an idiot. Why won't you stop?

Who's yer daddy, boy?!

King of SCAA


Bob may be opinionated and arrogant, but while he suffers from those
shortcomings, intellectual force is not one of them.

You, sir, have no right to evaluate your intellectual bettors. Bob is
indeed an intelligent and generally courteous individual, traits, which
apparently YOU lack.

This is evident in the FACT that you are unable to substantitively
refute his positions and conclusions, and have only to retreat to
personal insult in an vain attempt to carry your point. May assuage
your shallow and likely highly pierced ego, but it doesn't cut it.

Alan

PHBBBT!
How do you refute: poverty is to blame for black crime? How do you
refute claims such as "lack of opportunity" and "institutional racism"
and "feelings of hoplessness" which liberals love to use to excuse every
type of miniorty anti-social behavior?
The fact is none of these liberal pheomenon can be proven one way or the
other because none of those things can be measured. They are conceptual
only--and exclusively in the minds of liberals.
There is no causal effect. Because if there were, every impoverished
person would be a criminal. We know they are not. Lack of monetary
resources is not responsible for rape and murder. Never has been. Never
will be. We do not see the same anti-social behavior on the same scale
that we see in the black community in any poor Asian, white, or hispanic
community.
No, LeChavalier is *not* an intelligent man. He cannot think for
himself. And he certainly cannot analyze evidence to draw conclusions.
He's an idiot. How about this "LeChavalier" wisdom:
"The South still has a lot of rural
blacks, and it is the South that has the really high STD rates (and
the really lousy medical coverage)."
Fact: blacks exist all over the country and share the same high STD
rates--even in inner-cities up North. Bob went on to blame poverty for
this. How come the same high STD rates are not evident in poor whites,
hispanics, or Asians (they're not)?
How about this from Bobby:
"There are a lot of reasons to get an STD other than being "too dumb"."
"More likely, too poor (to get treated)."
And:
"Differences in STD rates largely reflect a lack of treatment
options for poor kids, who are usually minorities."
Fact: *Every* major city and most rural counties have public health
facilities that specialize in the testing and treatment of STDs for no
cost. That's right: no cost. They request a "donation", but do not
charge for their services if you cannot pay. Hell, you can even get
condoms for *free*.
Here he has just drawn a causal relationship between lack of monetary
resources and high STD rates. The fact is that there are resources
available to those that aren't too stupid to take advantage of them.
Nowhere does dumbass Bob LeChevalier mention that high STD rates are
caused by promiscuous and irresponsible sexual activity--of which stupid
people are *more likely* to engage in.
I wonder how dumbass Bob rationalizes the high rate of AIDS in Africa.
Yes indeed: poverty is to blame for all social ills. I've got news for
you, back in the days before welfare programs provided cradle-to-grave
benefits for those too lazy to get a job, poverty was *much more harsh*
than it is today. Poverty was abject. You had to work, or the county
would take away your kids and put them in foster care. Poverty is
nowhere near as severe as it used to be.
Now I ask you this: is crime higher now, or then? Is the murder rate
higher now, or then?
Poverty is nothing like it used to be. Would you not expect there to be
lower crime and murder now?
The fact is that crime, STDs, murder, and most other social ills are
*not* caused by lack of money (as LeChavalier likes to believe), but by
lack of personal responsibility, lack of respect, lack of ambition, etc.
Do you really think that giving people who refuse to work more money is
going to solve social ills? Do you realize that the black illegitimate
birth rate went from 25% in the early 1960s to 70% of all births today?
And this was *after* the creation of the liberal welfare state that
alleviated the effects of poverty.
And again, idiot Bob cannot distinguish between cause and effect. He
blames poverty for social ills. Is it not possible that those who are in
poverty are in poverty because of certain characteristics particular to
them? That is, those in poverty are there because they are lazy, or
stupid (intelligence cannot be taught), or both, and lack the ambition
and drive it takes to improve their lives???
Afterall, do you expect someone to get up early to be at work at 7:00 AM
if he's been out burglarizing houses all night?
No, LeChavalier is *not* an intelligent man. He is nothing more than a
typical brainwashed liberal who cannot think for himself. Hence his
reliance on unprovable and immearsurable concepts.
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA

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User: "Bob LeChevalier"

Title: Re: Bob LeChavalier Is An Imbecile! 24 Aug 2003 05:42:19 AM
cougey <none> wrote:

How do you refute: poverty is to blame for black crime? How do you
refute claims such as "lack of opportunity" and "institutional racism"
and "feelings of hoplessness" which liberals love to use to excuse every
type of miniorty anti-social behavior?

The fact is none of these liberal pheomenon can be proven one way or the
other because none of those things can be measured. They are conceptual
only--and exclusively in the minds of liberals.

So is race exclusively conceptual, and in the minds of racists.

There is no causal effect. Because if there were, every impoverished
person would be a criminal.

By the same standard, if the reverse were true, every black would be a
criminal

We know they are not. Lack of monetary
resources is not responsible for rape and murder.

The rates are higher among poor whites than rich whites.

Never has been. Never
will be. We do not see the same anti-social behavior on the same scale
that we see in the black community in any poor Asian, white, or hispanic
community.

But we do. It's just that those other communities have much smaller
numbers in the poor community, so the scale appears less.
Indeed, Hispanics have higher school dropout rates than blacks, so in
that one area they are more "anti-social".

No, LeChavalier is *not* an intelligent man. He cannot think for
himself. And he certainly cannot analyze evidence to draw conclusions.

He's an idiot. How about this "LeChavalier" wisdom:

"The South still has a lot of rural
blacks, and it is the South that has the really high STD rates (and
the really lousy medical coverage)."

Fact: blacks exist all over the country and share the same high STD
rates--even in inner-cities up North.

No they don't. I looked that the report more carefully than you did.
They have maps showing the concentrations of STDs and they AREN'T in
the urban northeast for the most part.

Bob went on to blame poverty for
this. How come the same high STD rates are not evident in poor whites,
hispanics, or Asians (they're not)?

Data?

How about this from Bobby:
"Differences in STD rates largely reflect a lack of treatment
options for poor kids, who are usually minorities."

That was not me - that was the people who wrote the report. You
didn't read the report, just looked for the selective data that would
support your racist claim.

Fact: *Every* major city and most rural counties have public health
facilities that specialize in the testing and treatment of STDs for no
cost. That's right: no cost. They request a "donation", but do not
charge for their services if you cannot pay. Hell, you can even get
condoms for *free*.

Then why did the report say what it did? You aren't arguing with me -
I don't know the answer - you are arguing with the experts that wrote
the report that you are citing.

Here he has just drawn a causal relationship between lack of monetary
resources and high STD rates. The fact is that there are resources
available to those that aren't too stupid to take advantage of them.

Nowhere does dumbass Bob LeChevalier mention that high STD rates are
caused by promiscuous and irresponsible sexual activity--of which stupid
people are *more likely* to engage in.

I guess all those televangelists and Republican congressmen are stupid
people.

I wonder how dumbass Bob rationalizes the high rate of AIDS in Africa.

"Lack of treatment options" is certainly part of it.

Yes indeed: poverty is to blame for all social ills. I've got news for
you, back in the days before welfare programs provided cradle-to-grave
benefits for those too lazy to get a job, poverty was *much more harsh*
than it is today. Poverty was abject. You had to work, or the county
would take away your kids and put them in foster care. Poverty is
nowhere near as severe as it used to be.

Now I ask you this: is crime higher now, or then? Is the murder rate
higher now, or then?

Depends upon the "then". I don't see any handy crime numbers for
before the last few decades.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/cv2.htm
Shows the violent crime numbers have dropped since 1973. Since the
population has grown. that means that the rate has dropped even more.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/proptrdtab.htm
Property crimes is 1/3 the level it was in 1973.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/hmrt.htm
Looking at the homicide rate, in 2000 it was lower than in roughly 2/3
of the 20th century. The only periods when it was lower was
1900-1913, and most years between 1941-1966 (but in the latter period
the rate was usually only a little lower than it is now).

Poverty is nothing like it used to be.

I don't have numbers from before the War on Poverty. But to compare
since 1973, which is when we have consistent crime statistics, poverty
rates are completely flat.
http://www.mackinac.org/article.asp?ID=4308

The official poverty rate reached a historic low in 1973, then stopped
falling. Between that year and 2000, the poverty rate rose from 11.1
percent to 11.3 percent.
Would you not expect there to be lower crime and murder now?

There is. Your point?

The fact is that crime, STDs, murder, and most other social ills are
*not* caused by lack of money (as LeChavalier likes to believe), but by
lack of personal responsibility, lack of respect, lack of ambition, etc.

Please quantify these things and provide statistics which show that
they correlate with the crime rate.

Do you really think that giving people who refuse to work more money is
going to solve social ills?

I opine nothing about how to solve social ills.

Do you realize that the black illegitimate
birth rate went from 25% in the early 1960s to 70% of all births today?

So? White illegitimate rates went up too.

And again, idiot Bob cannot distinguish between cause and effect. He
blames poverty for social ills. Is it not possible that those who are in
poverty are in poverty because of certain characteristics particular to
them? That is, those in poverty are there because they are lazy, or
stupid (intelligence cannot be taught), or both, and lack the ambition
and drive it takes to improve their lives???

Oops. Then that means that the higher rate of people who you claim
were in poverty before the welfare state, were in poverty because of
laziness, stupidity, and lack of drive.
lojbab
--
lojbab

Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org
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