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25 Dec 2004 11:27:17 AM |
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Re: College Benefits |
"Horvath" <Horvath@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:43:27 -0800, i2p6 west <nospam@rr.net> wrote
this crap:
This weeks headlines:
"Pell Grants for college: 90,000 people cut, 1.3 million reduced"
"National Guard fails to meet quota, increases college benefits"
Does it also say:
"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."
If the "civilian" already has multiple degrees, what does he get? A lot of
good the Montgomery GI Joke is when you've been blown to pieces by a
roadside bomb or left so badly injured that you'll be unemployable for life
anyway.
Yeah, the "old" GI Bill picked up the tab for my higher education, but I
made my best money doing construction work, working alongside people whose
writing skills were limited to their paycheck signatures. At least
construction firms, unlike white-collar businesses, have no qualms about
hiring veterans. On most of my jobsites at least half the people on site
were vets, as opposed to the white-collar skill I majored in, where I could
send out reams of resumes and never get a single reply. I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an asset.
But I found out in time. Hell, I made fours times as much hanging sheetrock
(overtime, remember) than I did as a "salaried " white-collar "junior
partner."
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| User: "a425couple" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 11:38:28 AM |
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"~" <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
I had to find out he hard way that miliary service these
days is a liability, not an asset.
I am sorry that the above is your experience and your
perception.
I believe there are plenty of people making decisions in the US
today (for jobs, for organizations, for personal interactions)
that believe military service can contribute to making a person
valuable, and sought after.
Military service, like college attendance, hints at possession of
some very positive traits that many value (but admittedly not all).
It is in the interview, that the selector either sees these qualities
or does not.
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| User: "kill" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
29 Dec 2004 10:49:22 AM |
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I was infantry and it's always been a plus on my resume for employers. Even
helped me get an IT job.
"~" <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
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"Horvath" <Horvath@Horvath.nossepam.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:43:27 -0800, i2p6 west <nospam@rr.net> wrote
this crap:
This weeks headlines:
"Pell Grants for college: 90,000 people cut, 1.3 million reduced"
"National Guard fails to meet quota, increases college benefits"
Does it also say:
"The sky is falling. The sky is falling."
If the "civilian" already has multiple degrees, what does he get? A lot
of
good the Montgomery GI Joke is when you've been blown to pieces by a
roadside bomb or left so badly injured that you'll be unemployable for
life
anyway.
Yeah, the "old" GI Bill picked up the tab for my higher education, but I
made my best money doing construction work, working alongside people whose
writing skills were limited to their paycheck signatures. At least
construction firms, unlike white-collar businesses, have no qualms about
hiring veterans. On most of my jobsites at least half the people on site
were vets, as opposed to the white-collar skill I majored in, where I
could
send out reams of resumes and never get a single reply. I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an asset.
But I found out in time. Hell, I made fours times as much hanging
sheetrock
(overtime, remember) than I did as a "salaried " white-collar "junior
partner."
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| User: "David Casey" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
25 Dec 2004 07:07:11 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:27:17 -0800, ~ wrote in
<news:10sr1mplcrha75d@corp.supernews.com>:
[followups set]
If the "civilian" already has multiple degrees, what does he get? A lot
of good the Montgomery GI Joke is when you've been blown to pieces by a
roadside bomb or left so badly injured that you'll be unemployable for
life anyway.
Yeah, the "old" GI Bill picked up the tab for my higher education, but I
made my best money doing construction work, working alongside people
whose writing skills were limited to their paycheck signatures. At
least construction firms, unlike white-collar businesses, have no qualms
about hiring veterans. On most of my jobsites at least half the people
on site were vets, as opposed to the white-collar skill I majored in,
where I could send out reams of resumes and never get a single reply. I
had to find out the hard way that miliary service these days is a
liability, not an asset. But I found out in time. Hell, I made fours
times as much hanging sheetrock (overtime, remember) than I did as a
"salaried " white-collar "junior partner."
Perhaps you should have looked for a different company? All the folks I've
talked to recently including the company looking to hire me on after I get
my degree (using the GI Bill to pay for it) were more than happy to hear
that I was a veteran.
Dave
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You can talk about us, but you can't talk without us!
US Army Signal Corps!!
http://www.geocities.com/davidcasey98
Remove IH8SPAM to reply by email!
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
25 Dec 2004 10:36:31 PM |
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~ <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
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I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an asset.
Not our fault you picked (or were left with only) an MOS with little to
nothing in the way of civilian applicability.
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| User: "hell_no_we_wont_go" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 12:22:19 PM |
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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~ <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
news:10sr1mplcrha75d@corp.supernews.com...
I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an
asset.
Not our fault you picked (or were left with only) an MOS with little to
nothing in the way of civilian applicability.
If "civilian applicability" is all recruits wanted, then it wouldn't be much
of an Army if they were all computer programmers, radar repairmen, X-ray
technicians, and gas turbine engine mechanics. After Vietnam, employers
wanted little to do with ex-grunts who'd been trained to do little more than
kill the enemy in mass quantities. Everyone wanted them to just go away
("We don't care where you go, just GO," etc.).
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| User: "Matt Osborn" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 03:04:26 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:22:19 -0800, "hell_no_we_won't_go"
<fuck_@rmy.com> wrote:
"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
news:41ce4026$0$23960$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
~ <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
news:10sr1mplcrha75d@corp.supernews.com...
I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an
asset.
Not our fault you picked (or were left with only) an MOS with little to
nothing in the way of civilian applicability.
If "civilian applicability" is all recruits wanted, then it wouldn't be much
of an Army if they were all computer programmers, radar repairmen, X-ray
technicians, and gas turbine engine mechanics. After Vietnam, employers
wanted little to do with ex-grunts who'd been trained to do little more than
kill the enemy in mass quantities. Everyone wanted them to just go away
("We don't care where you go, just GO," etc.).
Our MOS is the least we learn in the military. Leadership,
responsibility, determination, friendship, loyalty, and the list goes
on and on.
All of which counts for much more than a 9 month specialty education.
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| User: "Info Junkie" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 11:58:42 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 10:22:19 -0800, "hell_no_we_won't_go" <fuck_@rmy.com> wrote:
"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
news:41ce4026$0$23960$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
~ <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
news:10sr1mplcrha75d@corp.supernews.com...
I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an
asset.
Not our fault you picked (or were left with only) an MOS with little to
nothing in the way of civilian applicability.
If "civilian applicability" is all recruits wanted, then it wouldn't be much
of an Army if they were all computer programmers, radar repairmen, X-ray
technicians, and gas turbine engine mechanics. After Vietnam, employers
wanted little to do with ex-grunts who'd been trained to do little more than
kill the enemy in mass quantities. Everyone wanted them to just go away
("We don't care where you go, just GO," etc.).
True, if just speaking of "grunts", i.e. infantry, but the majority of military
MOS' (Military Occupational Specialty) was not comprised of 11*.
*http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/infantry/infantry-mos.html
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| User: "James H. Hood" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 02:47:07 PM |
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hell_no_we_won't_go <fuck_@rmy.com> wrote in message
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"James H. Hood" <jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote in message
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~ <tilde_@man.com> wrote in message
news:10sr1mplcrha75d@corp.supernews.com...
I had to find out
the hard way that miliary service these days is a liability, not an
asset.
Not our fault you picked (or were left with only) an MOS with little to
nothing in the way of civilian applicability.
If "civilian applicability" is all recruits wanted, then it wouldn't be
much
of an Army if they were all computer programmers, radar repairmen, X-ray
technicians, and gas turbine engine mechanics. After Vietnam, employers
wanted little to do with ex-grunts who'd been trained to do little more
than
kill the enemy in mass quantities. Everyone wanted them to just go away
("We don't care where you go, just GO," etc.).
Yet those vets whose MOS was not civilian-applicable still are ahead of
their non-serving peers in terms of income and education.
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| User: "Colin Campbell remove underscore" |
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| Title: Re: College Benefits |
26 Dec 2004 03:34:51 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 14:47:07 -0600, "James H. Hood"
<jhhoodDIESPAMMERDIE@urdirect.net> wrote:
Yet those vets whose MOS was not civilian-applicable still are ahead of
their non-serving peers in terms of income and education.
I sent a resume to a company that was advertising a vacancy. Turned
out to be one of 50 qualified applicants.
The words 'Armor Platoon Sergeant' (and the description of what one
does) at the bottom of the resume got me the job.
They decided that my military background brought more to their company
than just the technical skills.
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Duty First!
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