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From: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Created Man...looked OLD but was NEW
Date: 22 Mar 2007 09:47:06 -0700
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On Mar 22, 10:28 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com>
On Mar 21, 4:30 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mar 21, 4:21 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The commandments therefore would exist, whether they are reported
accurately or not. They would only NOT exist if God had never issued
them.
How do you know the commands exist as written (and quoted by you
here)?
Because they are on the pages of every Bible. Therefore they exist.
Whether the commandments on the page are God's commandments is a
matter of faith, not of knowledge.
If you don't believe the Bible is true but made up, why would
that specific command not be man made?
It is man made. It is a human translation of a human text written in
another human language.
I don't need the Bible to have been written by God in order to believe
that God's commandments to the Israelites were in fact as stated in
the Torah.
And...we know the Torah is not a man made fictional account because...
It *is* "a man made fictional account".
God is perfectly capable of communicating with us through fiction.
And I have not said that I reject the law. I just don't worship the
book that the law is found in, nor do I assert that the book was
written by God.
So, how do you know the law wasn't made up by man, also?
It was.
God's law was written by Him in my soul. The Bible remains a work by
man, a pale imitation of what God has wrought.
The Bible, according to you, is a man made book.
Yes.
Yet, the Torah is part of that book.
Yes.
Since you claim the Bible is false, the Torah is false...right?
That does not logically follow, but indeed the Torah contains fiction.
Or, are you going to pick and choose what you believe,
That is what we all do. You just won't admit that you are doing it
too.
whenever it is convenient for you
My beliefs are NOT made based on what is "convenient for me".
lojbab
Sorry, I believe God doesn't lie and accept the WHOLE Bible as the
Word of God.
OK, now I AM confused. I had thought that your whole point in
starting this thread was that God, by painstakingly crafting
the measurables details of this world to give it the faux appearance
of being far, far older than a few thousand years -- by faking
sedimentation rates and isotopic ratios and mutational clocks
and background temperatures and red shifts and successive layers
of fossils of increasing complexity -- had most purposefully lied
at the very beginning of all things.
-- cary
This is a direct lie. Cary,
"I had thought" is a direct lie?
How so?
I'm ashamed of you. I thought you better
than that. Earlier in the thread I said that there was no deception,
God does a "Believe what I say, not what I did"?
Funny, earlier you seemed content with the idea that the entirety
of creation was some sort of Potemkin Village which God created
with an eye towards intentionally leading some of us to damnation:
Another way of looking at it would be that God wanted to give
disbelievers a chance to reject Him, so only the submitted chose God.
He made Adam and Eve fully grown (appearing older than they were). He
made the world the same way. He wanted to give the proud a reason to
condemn themselves by rejecting Him, so only those that chose Him in
faith (not reason) would be saved. For if it made perfect sense, who
WOULDN'T accept Him.
Apparently your God does not make "perfect sense" on purpose, in
order to dodge the unaceptable outcome of universal acceptance.
-- cary
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