"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote:
:|A 5th Grade teacher has been told he can not display the DOI nor 2 earlier
:|documents because they contain verbiage that makes reference to religious
:|tenents, and are therefore "religious documents" that violate the separation
:|clause.
:|
:|A teacher was conducting the daily Pledge of Allegiance in his classroom,
:|when a student asked him about "under God." Since the classroom curiculum at
:|that time was American History, the teacher thought it would be a good to
:|have a discussion of present day issues and apply them to the early days of
:|America. A student told a parent the teacher talked about God inthe
:|classroom, and the principle called the teacher on the carpet. Taking the
:|entire discussion out of context, the principle demanded the teacher get
:|approval of any classroom assignment that contained religious reference, no
:|other teachers in the school were made to conform to the same guidelines.
:|The teacher took the DOI to the principle to have it reviewed as the was
:|demanded. The principle ruled the DOI was inappropriate material.
:|
:|Way to go, ACLU. Public school administrators are now suppressing important
:|historical materials from classrooms because the Founding Fathers had the
:|unfortunate lack of foresight to ever think that the ACLU would ban their
:|words. Good work.
Of course jeffy would jump on this, The only problem is, as usual, jeffy
doesn't do his homework and relies on others to spoon feed him one side of
the story
There is only one side of the story out there jeffy, since the school has
taken the proper course of action and not commented.
Only the teacher's side if being put forth;
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usenet@mile23.c0m (Paul Mitchum) wrote:
:|Moderate Mammal <BunnERabbit@verizon.hutch.net> wrote:
:|
:|> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:28:13 GMT, "dISC JoKeY"
:|> <stranger@strangeland.cc> wrote:
:|>
:|> >LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California teacher has been barred by his
:|> >school from giving students documents from American history that refer to
:|> >God -- including the Declaration of Independence.
:|> >
:|> >source
:|> >http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=69
:|> >11883
:|> >
:|> >One has to laugh at the stupid state of California. Here we go again
:|> >with this retarded liberal agenda. lol
:|> >
:|>
:|> And yet they defended teaching islam in public schools(cites available
:|> for the deniers) including reading the koran and dressing in fascist
:|> islamic clothing [... blah blah blah ...]
:|
:|Hey, guess what? The story about banning the Declaration of
:|Independence? It's a LIE.
:|
:|The fact of the matter is that the teacher in question wouldn't quit
:|talking about religion in his class, so the principle demanded that he
:|subit his lessons in advance for approval.
:|
:|Read and learn: <http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=446>
:|
:|So all that bluster you just bloviated? It's all meaningless.
<http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=446>
11/24/2004
Declaration of Independence ban at public school said bogus: Teacher
reportedly forced pupils to listen to Christian dogma
Filed under:
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— site admin @ 10:24 pm Email This
Declaration Of Independence banned!
The seemingly preposterous headline made major waves on the conservative
Drudge Report and Fox News network Wednesday, joining Reuters and the
Associated Press, in a misleading story that exhibited serious reportorial
negligence, RAW STORY has learned.
The story, which reports that a California teacher has been banned from
giving students documents from American history that refer to God,
including the Declaration of Independence, is said a product of right-wing
spin.
In fact, Cupertino public school principal Patricia Vidmar banned documents
relating to God because the teacher had been forcing students to listen to
what some felt was Christian propaganda, a media watchdog site reports.
According to the site, the school had told him to stop but he did not
comply, at which point the principal required that he submit his lesson
plans to her in advance.
The teacher, Steven Williams, sued for discrimination and is now being
represented by a conservative Christian legal group, Alliance Defense Fund.
Alliance Defense Fund boasts of other legal “successes,” including the
right of Boy Scouts to refuse gays from ascending to leadership positions.
According to People for the American Way, a watchdog group, ADF was founded
by 30 Christian ministries to serve as a counterbalance to the American
Civil Liberties Union.
The organization defends the right of Christians to “share the gospel” in
workplaces and public schools, asserting that efforts to curb such speech
at work and schools are “anti-Christian.”
None of the major news agencies reporting on the story included quotations
from the school or the principal, stating that a spokesman had referred
them to a staff attorney. The articles suggest they did little research
beyond the statements provided by William’s attorneys.
Reuters included scant information about the group who sued on Williams
behalf, saying only that the group advocates “religious freedom.”
A media watch site, Seeing the Forest, first caught the story Wednesday
evening.
“The school did not ‘ban the Declaration of Independence’ – that is just a
lie,” Editor Dave Johnson, who is a fellow at the Commonweal Institute,
wrote. “This story
is like when you hear that a man was ‘arrested for praying’ and you find
out he was kneeling in the middle of a busy intersection at rush hour and
refused to move.”
California’s Education Code does allow “references to religion or
references to or the use of religious literature … when such references or
uses do not constitute instruction in religious principles … and when such
references or uses are incidental to or illustrative of matters properly
included in the course of study,” as William’s lawyers have pointed out.
It does not, however, allow for forced religious dogma in public schools.
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YOU CAN TOSS THE FOLLOWING IN THERE AS WELL:
From: "Dave Thompson" <DaTh@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.constitution
Subject: Re: DOI Banned from Public School Classroom as Religious Material
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:14:17 -0700
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1124041declar1.html
Here you go. He was clearly proselytizing, and lying about what he was
doing.
The suit is a nuisance suit. One of the tactics of Christian legal groups
is to get the accused to settle and compromise their position so the
plaintiff can go back to some form of proselytizing. I suspect they would
only want this to go to court if they thought the judge was sympathetic.
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