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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "CB"
Date: 31 Mar 2004 07:42:44 PM
Object: Re: Gay Marriage Undermins Marriage & Family Culture
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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CB wrote:

"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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In article <c4apdv$k4o$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com> "CB"

<CB@prayforme.com>

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<"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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<> In article <c4agn6$gm4$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com> "CB"


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<> <"Bob LeChevalier" <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote in message
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<snip>

<> <Again my crusade is not with the individual, it is the institution

of

<> <marriage and it's unadulterated continuance


<snip>

<Pointing to a wrong in the hopes of making another wrong less effective

is

<pathetic

Actually, if you need it spelled out: pointing to the fact that you
are hypocritical -- worse, smugly and aggresively hypocricital.
You've spent endless hours here bewailing Them and telling us
how They must be controlled -- but when it comes to the much
more common, far more prevelant sin -- one which most
certainly many of your friends and church members are commiting
on an ongoing basis, daily, every time they go home to the second
wife or third husband -- and the consequences of which the Bible tells
us will be equally dire as the wagese of homosexuality -- than you have
not one word to say about it.

Not. One. Word.


Heh...you be sure and tell us when divorcees pool their immorality for

the

political purpose of demanding their behavior be accepted as cool and

taught

as such in school.


In your own words "Again my crusade is not with the individual, it is
the institution of marriage... ". What is doing the most damage to the
institution of marriage right now? What is causing 50% of marriages to
fail? DIVORCE. Yet you hypocritically say not one word about it
despite your claim that "..my crusade is not with the individual, it is
the institution of marriage...".
Divorcees do not have to demand that their behaviour be accepted, it is
already legal and accepted in society - yet you don't speak against it.
The existence of Divorce is taught in schools and yet you don't speak
against that. For someone who claims the "high moral ground" you are
just another hypocritical, cafeteria christian, picking and choosing
which since you will castigate despit your hold book telling you divorce
IS a sin!

That is a fight for another thread. I nominate you to crusade for it. This
thread has a topic



And of COURSE you don't have a word of comdenation about your
re-married friends: that would be hard. Fag-bashing is easy
and fun. Coming on here and saying that your friends and
co-workers, perhaps even members of your own family, are
bound for hell as surely as Steve and Lance -- well, that
wouldn't make you fell nearly so smug and self-righteous,
would it now?


I say again, if not for the efforts of a few, you would never hear from

me.

It isn't that I'm out to shame anyone for the behavior they do. They'll

have

to answer for that them selves. My issue is with those few, you included

who

take the sin and flaunt it in societies face as normal when we all know
'better'.


"..my crusade is not with the individual, it is the institution of
marriage..." and yet, in the paragraph above you are attacking an
individual.

I'm speaking to the individual who addressed me head on. What would you have
me do, ignore?
How unsurprisingly hypocritical of you. You further your

hypocrisy by not talking about the 50% of ex-marrieds, divorcees, who
"..take the sin and flaunt it in societies face".

That is the subject of a different thread, read the topic duffus.



For those few who's moral compass has no conscience, society has a duty

to

draw the line on tolerance else chaos brakes out. Society tolerates the
homosexual, it does not equate it as moral or equal to natural

affection.


Depends in which society you live now doesn't it? You have my sympathy
for living in a repressive human rights backwater.

Is that what most Libs think of America the beautiful, where God shed his
grace?



Hypocrite.


There is no hypocrisy.


"..my crusade is not with the individual, it is the institution of
marriage..." What is causing 50% of marriages to fail?

A seperation from commitment due to placing self before 'as one'.
DIVORCE. Yet

you hypocritically say not one word about it despite your claim above.

Like I said, when divorcees take on dogmatic political crusades, you let me
know.



We're talking about whether homosexuals should be
allowed to marry.


Yes... lets talk about the 3-10% of the population who are petitioning
their government, thought the courts, for a right that is denied to them
and lets IGNORE THE 50% OF THE POPULATION DIVORCING.

It is not the job of the courts to legislate!!! That's done by petitioning
ones Legislature!!!
"The Courts must declare the sense of the law; and if they should be
disposed to exercise will instead of judgment, the consequences would be
the substitution of their pleasure for that of the legislative body.
--The Federalist No. 78
CB
All freedoms come with responsibilities. In a moral approach to the law,
individuals are responsible for civil behavior toward one another, even
those with whom they disagree. Our institutions are likewise responsible for
providing a clear standard of appropriate conduct and for supporting that
standard with legal sanction. It is on this basis that the Supreme Court has
undercut government's ability to provide that consistent legal sanction to
marriage.
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/6340473.htm
Legitimate reasons for sodomy laws
By Gen. Alonzo Short
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User: "Bard Kesnit"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage Undermins Marriage & Family Culture 01 Apr 2004 02:43:11 PM
"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote in message
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"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in
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In your own words "Again my crusade is not with the individual, it
is the institution of marriage... ". What is doing the most damage
to the institution of marriage right now? What is causing 50% of
marriages to fail? DIVORCE. Yet you hypocritically say not one
word about it despite your claim that "..my crusade is not with the
individual, it is the institution of marriage...". Divorcees do not
have to demand that their behaviour be accepted, it is already legal
and accepted in society - yet you don't speak against it.
The existence of Divorce is taught in schools and yet you don't
speak against that. For someone who claims the "high moral ground"
you are just another hypocritical, cafeteria christian, picking and
choosing which since you will castigate despit your hold book
telling you divorce IS a sin!


That is a fight for another thread. I nominate you to crusade for it.
This thread has a topic

So you don't have an answer... You say the institute of
marriage is the most important thing, but when someone points out how
heterosexuals are screwing up marriage, you just say that's off topic.

How unsurprisingly hypocritical of you. You further your
hypocrisy by not talking about the 50% of ex-marrieds, divorcees,
who "..take the sin and flaunt it in societies face".


That is the subject of a different thread, read the topic duffus.

The subject is "Gay Marriage Undermines Marriage & Family
Culture." I would say that would be a good place to point out the fact
that heterosexuals aren't doing so hot with respect to marriage,
either.

"..my crusade is not with the individual, it is the institution of
marriage..." What is causing 50% of marriages to fail?


A seperation from commitment due to placing self before 'as one'.

But who is doing the separating? Heterosexuals.
I am NOT saying all homosexuals would be perfect spouses and I
am not saying all heterosexuals are losers. Just pointing out that
marriage IS under attack - but not from the gay community. It is being
attacked by the 50% of marriages that end in divorce. It is being
attacked by people who marry for publicity, just to get an annulment
50 hours later.

DIVORCE. Yet
you hypocritically say not one word about it despite your claim
above.


Like I said, when divorcees take on dogmatic political crusades, you
let me know.

Divorcees don't need to get political because no one is
telling them that their actions are wrong. The government recognizes
their divorce and remarriage.

Yes... lets talk about the 3-10% of the population who are
petitioning their government, thought the courts, for a right that
is denied to them and lets IGNORE THE 50% OF THE POPULATION
DIVORCING.


It is not the job of the courts to legislate!!! That's done by
petitioning ones Legislature!!!

So what is the role of the court? To interpret the laws passed
by the legislature. That is what the courts do - they listen to the
arguments, read the law and the Constitution, and make a ruling bases
on what the law and the Constitution say.
"The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity,
arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and
treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all
cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to
all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to
which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between
two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another
state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the
same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and
between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens
or subjects. " US Constitution, Article III, Section 2.
Bard Kesnit
.

User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage Undermins Marriage & Family Culture 01 Apr 2004 02:44:52 AM

Depends in which society you live now doesn't it? You have my sympathy
for living in a repressive human rights backwater.


On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:42:44 -0600, CB wrote

Is that what most Libs think of America the beautiful, where God shed his
grace?

God "shed his grace" in the United States or at least in North America?
So the AmerInds really do have the "true religions"?
Gray Shockley
--------------------------------------------------------
Well, it beats heck over a religion
transplanted from the Middle East.
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"

Title: Re: Gay Marriage Undermins Marriage & Family Culture 01 Apr 2004 11:49:18 AM
In article <c4fs2j$ocd$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com> "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> writes:
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<"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@NoSpamThanks.net> wrote in message
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<>
<> In your own words "Again my crusade is not with the individual, it is
<> the institution of marriage... ". What is doing the most damage to the
<> institution of marriage right now? What is causing 50% of marriages to
<> fail? DIVORCE. Yet you hypocritically say not one word about it
<> despite your claim that "..my crusade is not with the individual, it is
<> the institution of marriage...".
<> Divorcees do not have to demand that their behaviour be accepted, it is
<> already legal and accepted in society - yet you don't speak against it.
<> The existence of Divorce is taught in schools and yet you don't speak
<> against that. For someone who claims the "high moral ground" you are
<> just another hypocritical, cafeteria christian, picking and choosing
<> which since you will castigate despit your hold book telling you divorce
<> IS a sin!
<
<That is a fight for another thread. I nominate you to crusade for it. This
<thread has a topic
Well, lessee...so far in this particular thread you've talked about
the separation of church and state, the Declaration of Independence,
the alleged persecution of Christians in this country today, the
probable outcome of the November elections, the potential
super-majority, Democratic and Republican budgetary practices,
Alaskan oil, immigrants, the deficits, immigrants again Clinton,
Jim Jeffords, Al Gore, Dr. Spock, and John Walker.
But when your back's to the wall you suddenly become the group
moderator.
-- cary
.


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