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"Cary Kittrell" |
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Re: Golden Compass is Just a Film (don't panic) |
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On Nov 23, 4:22 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <5835b3bf-e2df-4e6b-9221-6b526c1fd...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 21, 11:31 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3fdb14d4-d2de-4369-8117-98e429ddb...@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 13, 8:46 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think I've taken a position on Pullman's book or film, since I
wasn't familiar with the books enough to do so. What started
intriguing me, though, was that the opposition to the film could all
be traced right back to either the film itself or supporters.
Basically, it seems they started saying Christians would oppose this
film, before any such opposition occurred. They WANT to stoke
controversy to try to get sales.
Me...I could care less. See the movie...don't see it. Your choice.
It's just a book from a self-proclaimed atheist. I doubt anyone will
be looking for spiritual truth in watching it (or reading the book).
It's not like the author claims it is based on truth (like Tolkien and
Lewis did). Personally, I think the evil organization in the film
seems a lot more like socialism than Christianity, but
that...too...would be an unfounded conclusion, since the book (and
movie) is ... just fiction.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Reviving the original post thread...as I said above...I fail to find
any opposition to this film from ANYONE I know in the Christian
circles, and the opposition the newspapers point to are lawyers and
other non-theologically trained individuals on the fringe.
Really? Then you DO know about Bill Donahue -- why have you
been pretending all along that you do not? Just testing us?
So, tell me -- and I honestly have no idea here -- Donahue, head
of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights in fact has
no theological training?
His degree of note is a PhD in SOCIOLOGY from NYU (Christian
conservative school that is and all), and His books are about laws
and politics. He holds (nor has held) NO church position.
So, how has this non-theologian and non-clergyman become the voice of
the church on this issue?
Who said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? I at no
place said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? Did
you say that Donahue is "the voice of the church"?
And what in the world does this have to do with
anything?
(please use the following space to reply with claims that
I have said things which I did not say. thank you):
-- cary
I said the church WASN'T opposed to this film (and maintain this
view), and you used Donohue (many times in this thread, in fact) as
proof the church WAS opposed to the film.
Nope. I did not.
Tell you what: when you're intersted in debating what I actually
did say, rather than your mutant version of what I said, do drop
a note, hear?
-- cary
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On Nov 26, 11:07 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article writes:
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On Nov 23, 4:22 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <5835b3bf-e2df-4e6b-9221-6b526c1fd...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 21, 11:31 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3fdb14d4-d2de-4369-8117-98e429ddb...@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 13, 8:46 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think I've taken a position on Pullman's book or film, since I
wasn't familiar with the books enough to do so. What started
intriguing me, though, was that the opposition to the film could all
be traced right back to either the film itself or supporters.
Basically, it seems they started saying Christians would oppose this
film, before any such opposition occurred. They WANT to stoke
controversy to try to get sales.
Me...I could care less. See the movie...don't see it. Your choice.
It's just a book from a self-proclaimed atheist. I doubt anyone will
be looking for spiritual truth in watching it (or reading the book).
It's not like the author claims it is based on truth (like Tolkien and
Lewis did). Personally, I think the evil organization in the film
seems a lot more like socialism than Christianity, but
that...too...would be an unfounded conclusion, since the book (and
movie) is ... just fiction.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Reviving the original post thread...as I said above...I fail to find
any opposition to this film from ANYONE I know in the Christian
circles, and the opposition the newspapers point to are lawyers and
other non-theologically trained individuals on the fringe.
Really? Then you DO know about Bill Donahue -- why have you
been pretending all along that you do not? Just testing us?
So, tell me -- and I honestly have no idea here -- Donahue, head
of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights in fact has
no theological training?
His degree of note is a PhD in SOCIOLOGY from NYU (Christian
conservative school that is and all), and His books are about laws
and politics. He holds (nor has held) NO church position.
So, how has this non-theologian and non-clergyman become the voice of
the church on this issue?
Who said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? I at no
place said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? Did
you say that Donahue is "the voice of the church"?
And what in the world does this have to do with
anything?
(please use the following space to reply with claims that
I have said things which I did not say. thank you):
-- cary
I said the church WASN'T opposed to this film (and maintain this
view), and you used Donohue (many times in this thread, in fact) as
proof the church WAS opposed to the film.
Nope. I did not.
Tell you what: when you're intersted in debating what I actually
did say, rather than your mutant version of what I said, do drop
a note, hear?
-- cary
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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29 Nov 2007 03:31:29 PM |
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In article <55bd8172-97ed-4d4d-afaf-c867515647b5@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Nov 26, 11:07 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article writes:
On Nov 23, 4:22 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <5835b3bf-e2df-4e6b-9221-6b526c1fd...@j44g2000hsj.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 21, 11:31 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <3fdb14d4-d2de-4369-8117-98e429ddb...@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
On Nov 13, 8:46 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't think I've taken a position on Pullman's book or film, since I
wasn't familiar with the books enough to do so. What started
intriguing me, though, was that the opposition to the film could all
be traced right back to either the film itself or supporters.
Basically, it seems they started saying Christians would oppose this
film, before any such opposition occurred. They WANT to stoke
controversy to try to get sales.
Me...I could care less. See the movie...don't see it. Your choice.
It's just a book from a self-proclaimed atheist. I doubt anyone will
be looking for spiritual truth in watching it (or reading the book).
It's not like the author claims it is based on truth (like Tolkien and
Lewis did). Personally, I think the evil organization in the film
seems a lot more like socialism than Christianity, but
that...too...would be an unfounded conclusion, since the book (and
movie) is ... just fiction.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Reviving the original post thread...as I said above...I fail to find
any opposition to this film from ANYONE I know in the Christian
circles, and the opposition the newspapers point to are lawyers and
other non-theologically trained individuals on the fringe.
Really? Then you DO know about Bill Donahue -- why have you
been pretending all along that you do not? Just testing us?
So, tell me -- and I honestly have no idea here -- Donahue, head
of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights in fact has
no theological training?
His degree of note is a PhD in SOCIOLOGY from NYU (Christian
conservative school that is and all), and His books are about laws
and politics. He holds (nor has held) NO church position.
So, how has this non-theologian and non-clergyman become the voice of
the church on this issue?
Who said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? I at no
place said that Donahue is "the voice of the church"? Did
you say that Donahue is "the voice of the church"?
And what in the world does this have to do with
anything?
(please use the following space to reply with claims that
I have said things which I did not say. thank you):
-- cary
I said the church WASN'T opposed to this film (and maintain this
view), and you used Donohue (many times in this thread, in fact) as
proof the church WAS opposed to the film.
Nope. I did not.
Tell you what: when you're intersted in debating what I actually
did say, rather than your mutant version of what I said, do drop
a note, hear?
-- cary
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you?
What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...
None. Nor did I ever claim otherwise.
You, on the other hand, not content with what I am saying,
must keep inventing `you claim's that you can attack.
But that's an interesting question; let's see what I actually HAVE
objected to in the course of this thread... How's about:
1) Your unsupported and unsupportable conspiracy theory that
the newspaper article was a devious ploy to increase ticket sales.
2) Your refusal to answer my asking if you thought, similarly,
that reporting on the Baptists' boycott of Disney was a plot
to increase theme-park attendence. Or if coverage if
Donahue's call for a boycott of Miller Brewing was actually
a gambit to increase beer sales.
3) Your claiming that the "evil organization in the film seems
a lot more like socialism than Christianity" -- and then
admitting that you had never actually read the source material.
4) Your implicit assumption that fiction cannot convey dangerous
truths. (unless, of course, it's Christian fiction, such as books
by C.S.Lewis)
5) Your contention that nothing of value regarding spiritual matters
may be learned from an atheist.
5) Your inability to follow up your implication that atheism
is not "separated from public schools" with a single instance
of atheism being taught in those selfsame schools.
6) And of course, as always, your preference for telling
me, incorrectly, what I just said rather than understanding
what I actually DID just say. But that's perennial, isn't
it, and not unique to this thread.
7) Your utter refusal, after being asked five (5) times by
me and at least twice by others, for evidence that the
reporter of the article under discussion "liked the film"
which he had not yet seen.
-- cary
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28 Nov 2007 12:08:29 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you?
The forum on which you posted it. There are forums intended for the
discussion of movies.
What part of my case
You have no case.
that there is no collective, Christian
There is no collective Christian ANYTHING. There are several thousand
different Christian churches, and there isn't much that they all agree
on including whether each is entitled to call itself "Christian".
lojbab
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28 Nov 2007 01:45:54 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
lojbab
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28 Nov 2007 03:29:15 PM |
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On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
lojbab
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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28 Nov 2007 03:36:12 PM |
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In article <ab0a1f5b-cf8d-4aab-acc5-de2dd31fb861@e67g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
lojbab
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
You left out Feminazi Cuntkins.
Of course, if FNC and I actually are the same person...
man!... that boldly takes auto-eroticism where no
hermaphrodite has gone before.
-- cary
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28 Nov 2007 03:44:03 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
There is no facade. You post to this forum, and anyone has a right to
answer.
lojbab
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28 Nov 2007 03:57:01 PM |
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On Nov 28, 3:44 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
There is no facade. You post to this forum, and anyone has a right to
answer.
lojbab
Then, reply to the new Golden Compass post I posted, today.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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28 Nov 2007 09:22:40 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:44 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
There is no facade. You post to this forum, and anyone has a right to
answer.
lojbab
Then, reply to the new Golden Compass post I posted, today.
I've replied to all your posts that I've seen. Apparently, I don't
see them all. Lucky me!!!
lojbab
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29 Nov 2007 08:06:28 AM |
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On Nov 28, 9:22 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:44 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
What part of "Golden Compass is Just a Film" (the thread subject) is
offensive to you? What part of my case that there is no collective,
Christian objection to this film do you have a problem with...or do
you just not like that I am the one that said it?
When are you going to start answering cary's questions instead of
asking more questions in response to every post of his asking you?
Why are you incapable of understanding what anyone else writes without
distorting it?
Why are you posting this thread to an education forum and not to a
movie forum?
Cary answers for you...you answer for Cary. How long will you keep up
the facade?
There is no facade. You post to this forum, and anyone has a right to
answer.
lojbab
Then, reply to the new Golden Compass post I posted, today.
I've replied to all your posts that I've seen. Apparently, I don't
see them all. Lucky me!!!
lojbab
It's called Truth in the Plot of The Golden Compass, posted
yesterday. I'll wait.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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