Run along little troll, We have had this very discursion a few dozen times
in the past year or so. I and others have shot down the following on a
number of occasions only to have you turn around a few days, weeks or
months later in another thread repeat the dame thing all over again.
So run along little troll, go someplace else and try to sucker others into
your trolling games.
idontreply@toemail.com (mclark) wrote:
:|Basic reading skills applied to the 1st Amendment tell us that the scope
:|of the amendment's restrictions on speech and religion apply only to
:|Congress. Congress, and only Congress, is restricted from making laws
:|pertaining to speech and religion. However, somewhere along the line
:|the Supreme Court wrongly read Thomas Jefferson's famous church/state
:|separation writing into the 1st Amendment, wrongly inferring that the
:|Founding Fathers had meant for the scope of the 1st Amendment's
:|restrictions on government to also apply to the state governments.
:|
:|THE BIG PROBLEM with the SC's "wisdom," or lack thereof, in deciding
:|what the Founding Fathers "had really meant" concerning the scope of the
:|1st Amendment is that Thomas Jefferson himself had noted that the
:|Constitution gives the States the power to address and cultivate
:|religion. Indeed, Jefferson reflected that the 1st and 10th Amendments
:|are supposed to work together to give the States the power to address
:|religion. But don't believe me; see for yourself:
:|
:|-----
:|"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is
:|placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general
:|government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe the
:|religious exercises suited to it; but have left them as the Constitution
:|found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church
:|authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." --Thomas
:|Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378
:|
:|"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the
:|Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their
:|doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the
:|provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free
:|exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states
:|the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to
:|prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious
:|discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then
:|rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority."
:|--Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. ME 11:428
:|
:|Also applicable:
:|
:|"Our citizens have wisely formed themselves into one nation as to others
:|and several States as among themselves. To the united nation belong our
:|external and mutual relations; to each State, severally, the care of our
:|persons, our property, our reputation and religious freedom." --Thomas
:|Jefferson: To Rhode Island Assembly, 1801. ME 10:262
:|-----
:|
:|Note that the Inagural Address and Samuel Miller letters above were
:|written AFTER Jefferson wrote his famous letter to the Danbury Baptist
:|Church member.
:|
:|The only reason the country addresses religion the way it does today is
:|because the idea of absolute church/state separation is a "tradition of
:|men" (Mark 7:7) - a wive's tale - that has wrongly been allowed to
:|supersede the written law of the land.
:|
:|M. Clark
:|
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:|> >
:|> > John
:|> >
:|> >
:|> > "Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
:|> > news:41A10204.7080609@gotcha.comcast.net...
:|> >> John wrote:
:|> >> > Dave, thanks for your views.
:|> >> >
:|> >> > How do you conclude: "The first amendment was written to be interpreted
:|> >> > broadly."
:|> >> >
:|> >> > ...and who decides how broad is broad? The Supreme Court?
:|> >> >
:|> >> > When will we get to the point where miscellaneous County Commissioners
:|> > are
:|> >> > chastised ( in the name of the First Amendment) for going to church,
:|> >>
:|> >> When The Justices lose their minds. Such as chastising would trivially
:|> >> violate the Free Exercise clause.
:|> >>
:|> >> > I prefer a more literal reading, myself.
:|> >>
:|> >> Wouldn't a literal meaning allow Alabama to criminalize Judaism?
:|> >>
:|> >> Josh Rosenbluth
:|> >>
:|> >
:|> >
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