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Sociology > Education |
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"Deuteros" |
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12 Dec 2005 08:12:59 PM |
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Re: Red states turning blue |
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
Democrats sure do like to complain but never offer any solutions.
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 07:15:03 AM |
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"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is the
sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also be
bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business refuses to
touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to deliver.
Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail and only mail
with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your mailbox.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 10:52:05 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is the
sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also be
bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business refuses to
touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to deliver.
Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail and only mail
with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your mailbox.
The concept of "mail" is "I give this here thing to you, and you --
somehow -- get it to that thar dude over there".
It doesn't have to have a U.S. Postal stamp and be sitting in
a U.S. Postal mailbox to be "mail".
If you're in the business of taking my money to get my envelope
to someone else somewhere else, then you're in the business
of schlepping mail.
And today, lots of companies are doing preciesely that.
-- cary
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 02:10:31 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dns6vl$5bl$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits
(even though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is
the sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also
be bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business refuses
to touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to
deliver. Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail
and only mail with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your
mailbox.
The concept of "mail" is "I give this here thing to you, and you --
somehow -- get it to that thar dude over there".
It doesn't have to have a U.S. Postal stamp and be sitting in
a U.S. Postal mailbox to be "mail".
If you're in the business of taking my money to get my envelope
to someone else somewhere else, then you're in the business
of schlepping mail.
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private companies
to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time you got a
periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 02:23:20 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dns6vl$5bl$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits
(even though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is
the sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also
be bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business refuses
to touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to
deliver. Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail
and only mail with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your
mailbox.
The concept of "mail" is "I give this here thing to you, and you --
somehow -- get it to that thar dude over there".
It doesn't have to have a U.S. Postal stamp and be sitting in
a U.S. Postal mailbox to be "mail".
If you're in the business of taking my money to get my envelope
to someone else somewhere else, then you're in the business
of schlepping mail.
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private companies
to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time you got a
periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
And this contradicts my contention that what FedEx and UPS does
is "mail"... how, exactly?
-- cary
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 02:47:02 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dns6vl$5bl$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits
(even though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is
the sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also
be bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business refuses
to touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to
deliver. Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail
and only mail with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your
mailbox.
The concept of "mail" is "I give this here thing to you, and you --
somehow -- get it to that thar dude over there".
It doesn't have to have a U.S. Postal stamp and be sitting in
a U.S. Postal mailbox to be "mail".
If you're in the business of taking my money to get my envelope
to someone else somewhere else, then you're in the business
of schlepping mail.
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private companies
to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time you got a
periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
When was the last time soembody was willing to do it for the price the
USPS charges?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 09:04:55 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1d646$0$58054$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dns6vl$5bl$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
"Larry Hewitt" <larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote in
news:dnq8qa$ehpa$1@news3.infoave.net:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits
(even though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated
by the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they
do not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and
is the sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government
run. First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
They also no longer have amonopoly on first class mail. It can also
be bulk delivered, as in business to business, or electronically
transmittes.
Then it's no longer first class mail.
Today the Post Office delivers the mail that private business
refuses to touch because it isn;t profitable.
They deliver mail that only the Post Office is legally allowed to
deliver. Only the Post Office is allowed to deliver First Class mail
and only mail with Post Office stamps are legally allowed in your
mailbox.
The concept of "mail" is "I give this here thing to you, and you --
somehow -- get it to that thar dude over there".
It doesn't have to have a U.S. Postal stamp and be sitting in
a U.S. Postal mailbox to be "mail".
If you're in the business of taking my money to get my envelope
to someone else somewhere else, then you're in the business
of schlepping mail.
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private
companies to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time you
got a periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
When was the last time soembody was willing to do it for the price the
USPS charges?
It's ILLEGAL to deliver letters and magazines for the price the USPS
charges. The last time somebody tried it they were shut down by the
government. How could any private company compete with the USPS when the
federal government bans all competitive pricing for letters and magazines
and doesn't collect any taxes from the USPS while happily collecting taxes
from UPS and FedEx? And even with all this government help the USPS is
still operating at a loss nearly every year.
Ray, you are the epitome of a hypocrite. You whine and ***** about
corporations receiving government subsidies yet when it comes to the Post
Office, which is a government run and subsidized corporation, you rush to
defend it. You must be really afraid of losing your government security
blanket.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 11:14:43 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private
companies to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time you
got a periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
When was the last time soembody was willing to do it for the price the
USPS charges?
It's ILLEGAL to deliver letters and magazines for the price the USPS
charges.
So you claim.
Ray, you are the epitome of a hypocrite.
And you are a typical lying moron who so stupid you'll let yourself
get screwed and then thank the screwer and ask for more.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
16 Dec 2005 02:15:05 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a24d43$0$58065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Really. So then why are there laws making it illegal for private
companies to deliver certain kinds of mail? When was the last time
you got a periodical delivered by someone other than the USPS?
When was the last time soembody was willing to do it for the price the
USPS charges?
It's ILLEGAL to deliver letters and magazines for the price the USPS
charges.
So you claim.
So the law says. Read the Private Express Statutes.
The Private Express Statutes consists of 18 US Code § 1693 through sec. 1999
and 39 US Code § 601 through sec. 606, implemented under 39 Code of Federal
Regulations Parts 310 and 320. These forbid all carriage and delivery of mail
by private organizations, with a few exceptions.
Here, I'll make it easy for you:
http://www.nalc.org/depart/cau/pdf/manuals/pub542.pdf
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 07:21:12 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnpl4e$ntq$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do not
produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
Oh, I forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and is the
sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class mail.
No, you forgot that YOU ARE STUPID! The USPS isn't government run.
What cave did you just crawl out of?
"The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an agency of the United States
***government*** responsible for providing postal service in the United
States"
"As an affiliate of the federal ***government***, the USPS is not required
to pay any of the federal or state income taxes that regular businesses
pay."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USPS
"The United States Postal ServiceŽ is an independent establishment of the
Executive Branch of the United States ***Government***."
http://www.usps.com/postalhistory/welcome.htm
[Emphasis mine]
First class mail isn't the only kind of mail.
Yeahm it's only the most common type.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 11:18:13 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do not
produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home. That fact that they can't put it into the mailbox
matters not at all. The fact that they're not allowed to call it
"first class" matters even less.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 02:32:51 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1a555$0$58068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home.
Wrong. The post office has a monopoly on all first and third class mail
(magazines, catalogs, etc). There is no equivalent to first class mail with
any private company.
That fact that they can't put it into the mailbox matters not at all.
The fact that they're not allowed to call it "first class" matters even
less.
Oh sure, you can send a letter using the UPSP, UPS, or FedEx. But if you
want to send it by UPS or FedEx, federal law states that you must pay at
least $3 for delivery and must be sent Express. Of course the Post Office
is not required to pay any of the federal or state taxes that businesses
are required to pay, demonstrating yet another way the government unfairly
supports the USPS monopoly.
Why don't *you* try starting a mail delivery service that delivers letters
for 37˘ and see what happens. Lysander Spooner started a mail delivery
service in the 1800s that competed with the United States Post Office by
providing lower rates. He was shut down by the U.S. government and
exhausted his resources trying to defend what he believed to be his right
to compete.
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15 Dec 2005 02:48:05 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1a555$0$58068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home.
Wrong.
Not wrong. I've had FedEx deliver envelopes containing letters to my
home on more than one occasion.
That fact that they can't put it into the mailbox matters not at all.
The fact that they're not allowed to call it "first class" matters even
less.
Oh sure, you can send a letter using the UPSP, UPS, or FedEx.
Q.E.D.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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15 Dec 2005 09:06:54 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1d685$0$58054$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1a555$0$58068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home.
Wrong.
Not wrong. I've had FedEx deliver envelopes containing letters to my
home on more than one occasion.
If you want to send it by UPS or FedEx, federal law states that you must
pay at least $3 for delivery and must be sent Express. Of course the Post
Office is not required to pay any of the federal or state taxes that
businesses are required to pay, demonstrating yet another way the
government unfairly supports the USPS monopoly.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 11:15:06 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1d685$0$58054$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1a555$0$58068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home.
Wrong.
Not wrong. I've had FedEx deliver envelopes containing letters to my
home on more than one occasion.
If you want to send it by UPS or FedEx, federal law states that you must
And so you move the goalposts yet again.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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16 Dec 2005 02:15:35 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote in
news:43a22f4e$0$54295$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1d685$0$58054$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1a555$0$58068$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits
(even though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by
the government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum
wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn
about basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do
not produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against?
FedEx. UPS. Airborne. DHL.
None of which are legally allowed to deliver mail to your mailbox or
deliver first class mail.
What a pathetic attempt at weaselling. All can deliver any kind of
mail to your home.
Wrong.
Not wrong. I've had FedEx deliver envelopes containing letters to my
home on more than one occasion.
If you want to send it by UPS or FedEx, federal law states that you must
pay at least $3 for delivery and must be sent Express. Of course the
Post Office is not required to pay any of the federal or state taxes
that businesses are required to pay, demonstrating yet another way the
government unfairly supports the USPS monopoly.
Your admission of defeat is noted.
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| User: "" |
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14 Dec 2005 05:46:50 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against? Oh, I forgot. The Post
Office is a government run monopoly and is the sole entity legally allowed
to deliver First Class mail.
Of course one could say that government schools compete with private
schools. But how realistic is the competition when the government schools
can offer "free" tuition by way of your tax dollars taken by force? Private
schools have no such option. of course the willingness of parents to pay
thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools when they
could send them to government schools for free attests to the low quality
of the government schools.
And private schools are only supposedly 'better' because of the smaller
class size, so it evens out. If vouchers became popular, they'd either
lose control of the class or raise tuition to the point that only the
rich can afford it again.
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| User: "CPTFreedm" |
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15 Dec 2005 08:40:07 AM |
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wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against? Oh, I forgot. The Post
Office is a government run monopoly and is the sole entity legally allowed
to deliver First Class mail.
Of course one could say that government schools compete with private
schools. But how realistic is the competition when the government schools
can offer "free" tuition by way of your tax dollars taken by force? Private
schools have no such option. of course the willingness of parents to pay
thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools when they
could send them to government schools for free attests to the low quality
of the government schools.
And private schools are only supposedly 'better' because of the smaller
class size, so it evens out. If vouchers became popular, they'd either
lose control of the class or raise tuition to the point that only the
rich can afford it again.
Depends on your view of "supposedly" I guess. Smaller class size is
true. You must combine with that, a more academic curriculum (no social
training/engineering), higher rates of college acceptance and attendance
(post-secondary), better SAT and ACT scores, better standardized test
results and more motivated (actively involved) parents as a whole
CPT
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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15 Dec 2005 12:46:46 PM |
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man_in_black529@yahoo.com wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against? Oh, I
forgot. The Post Office is a government run monopoly and
is the sole entity legally allowed to deliver First Class
mail.
Of course one could say that government schools compete
with private schools. But how realistic is the competition
when the government schools can offer "free" tuition by
way of your tax dollars taken by force? Private schools
have no such option. of course the willingness of parents
to pay thousands of dollars to send their children to
private schools when they could send them to government
schools for free attests to the low quality of the
government schools.
And private schools are only supposedly 'better' because
of the smaller class size, so it evens out. If vouchers
became popular, they'd either lose control of the class or
raise tuition to the point that only the rich can afford
it again.
Depends on your view of "supposedly" I guess. Smaller
class size is true. You must combine with that, a more
academic curriculum (no social training/engineering),
What?
Religious schools don't spend a lot of time in social/
training engineering? How about private military academies?
Or Waldorf education?
I'd say that both do, even at the expense of academics if
need be. In fact, children get shipped off to both types of
indoctrination because the parents are convinced that they
*want* them to have this particular form of social engineering.
In fact, most private schooling, in my experience, involves
parents trying to keep kids from learning things, or to
achieve a specific indoctrination of their kids, rather than
in providing a factually geniunely superior education.
higher rates of college acceptance and attendance
(post-secondary), better SAT and ACT scores, better
standardized test
results
Not true across the board. Waldorf kids in particular
may not do well at all.
and more motivated (actively involved) parents as a
whole
Yeah, Joe Stalin was actively involved in the lives of
his subjects too, screening everything that they could
read or hear and trying to indoctrinate them into a specific
belief pattern.
Yet that's a good thing when parents get to play Joe Stalin
over their kids, with the kids having no sayso whatsoever
in the future of what they will be able to learn and be
exposed to?
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "CPTFreedm" |
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14 Dec 2005 01:33:54 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dno13o$na0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even
though you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with
benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about
basic supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise
he would be paying money to the government instead of
collecting a check.
Government jobs are not subject to the open market since they do not
produce anything and are not competitive.
What a stupid statement. Of course government workers produce.
Of course they're competitive.
Oh really? Who does the Post Office compete against? Oh, I forgot. The Post
Office is a government run monopoly and is the sole entity legally allowed
to deliver First Class mail.
Of course one could say that government schools compete with private
schools. But how realistic is the competition when the government schools
can offer "free" tuition by way of your tax dollars taken by force? Private
schools have no such option. of course the willingness of parents to pay
thousands of dollars to send their children to private schools when they
could send them to government schools for free attests to the low quality
of the government schools.
Who is Congress competing against? The president? The Supreme Court? There
may be a few cases where there is competition with the government but only
when the government allows it.
And what EXACTLY is it that they "produce"? Besides further onerous
impositions on our liberty and property that is.
CPT
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| User: "CPTFreedm" |
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13 Dec 2005 04:12:37 PM |
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KenStahl wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnmth2$cc0$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
"Gaia" <starchaser@inorbit.com> wrote in
It's because of Democrats you have a job with benefits (even though
you're an ungrateful *****).
No, it's because of the free market that I have a job with benefits.
LOL! Sucker!
There is no "free market". It's controlled and regulated by the
government.
Most of it is not.
If the market was wholly free of government involvement
you'd be dirt poor and working for subsistence wages.
According to your logic everybody should be making minimum wage.
Everybody gets paid what they are worth. You need to learn about basic
supply and demand.
The president doesn't get paid what he is worth - otherwise he would be
paying money to the government instead of collecting a check.
Same goes for Frist and Delay.
And any other politico you choose to name.
CPT
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 10:26:13 AM |
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"President, GOP Liars Club" <eelder1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
news:TvCnf.7561$md.226@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
We have no real left with in the Democratic party relative to the
Europeans.
That's a good thing.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Dec 2005 08:52:30 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "R Sweeney" |
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13 Dec 2005 06:39:34 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:dnld1e$4rt$1@bolt.sonic.net.gnresend...
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
Is this one of those polls like the Kerry landslide election-day poll where
they asked mostly Democrats?
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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13 Dec 2005 11:49:02 AM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower approval
ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
--
Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 04:00:04 PM |
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KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
13 Dec 2005 05:03:08 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
After all, we can see how well anarchy has worked in places like
Somalia.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 08:20:33 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjvc$5gb$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of
Congress in 2006. And if the election were today, registered
voters would favor the Democrat in their congressional district
by 52 percent to 37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
After all, we can see how well anarchy has worked in places like
Somalia.
Ray seems to think that the Republicans and the Democrats are the only two
political parties in the world.
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
13 Dec 2005 04:11:51 PM |
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Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
Only those that have sympathies for Republicans.
Face it, a third party will never successfully compete. The
system has to be fixed rather then disassembled.
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Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 12:50:03 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:11:51 -0600, KenStahl wrote:
Deuteros wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5LWdnVwlMMoSlALenZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com:
Ray Fischer wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
KenStahl <ktsahl@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:YOOdnewcbNbbOgDeRVn-pg@comcast.com:
Here is a good web site that illustrates the acceleration
away from the Republican party. At this point there are only
two states where there is a majority who favor corrupt
Republican politics.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/91619/117
It looks like there aren't many "red" states and that the
number of blue states is increasing at a rapid pace.
What dailykos doesn't mention is that Democrats have even lower
approval ratings than Republicans.
It's always safest to assume that a republican is lying.
Indeed, 55 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post
poll say they'd like to see the Democrats take control of Congress
in 2006. And if the election were today, registered voters would
favor the Democrat in their congressional district by 52 percent to
37 percent.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/PollVault/story?id=1283170
This is as it should be. The Republicans have made a general
mess of almost everything since 2001 and it is time that we
start setting things straight again.
What a wonderful gift it would be if every Republican
representative in every district were defeated. That would
tend to show that the elections over the past few years have
been true flukes in the system.
And if the Senate were thrown in as well, then we can really
start to restore this nation.
You could only begin to restore this nation if you got rid of the
Democrats as well.
Only those that have sympathies for Republicans.
Face it, a third party will never successfully compete. The
system has to be fixed rather then disassembled.
Our present President is the beneficiary of what
was once a "third party".
Abraham Lincoln was the first President to be elected as a member
of the Republican Party.
gray
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| User: "KenStahl" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 07:31:46 AM |
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Gray Shockley wrote:
Our present President is the beneficiary of what
was once a "third party".
Abraham Lincoln was the first President to be elected as a member
of the Republican Party.
gray
That was a long time ago and much has changed since then.
For the most part the people who run on 3rd party tickets
generally represent fringe groups and really can't be taken
seriously. Witness the libertarian and green party
candidates whose poor showing in the last few elections can
only be considered an embarrassment for the nut cases that
urged them to run in the first place.
--
Blogging at http://HexagonalPeg.blogspot.com
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