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"Deuteros" |
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13 Dec 2005 04:20:58 PM |
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Re: Red states turning blue |
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
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A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought
to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe
to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the
meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers compensation or unemployment
check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home
because of his temporary misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because some
godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided
that Joe and the government would be better off if he were educated
and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity
until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't
belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self- made
man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with
water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from some big
company, because his city water department has failed to meet the mandated
water standards set by the government for 10 years running, and nothing is
ever done. He envies his brother Sam who lives in Jersey City, N.J.,
because they had the same problem, but privatized their water system and
now the quality is better than it has ever been * even passing the
government's own standards for the first time. That company knows if it
fails to meet the standards, it will go out of business, unlike a
government utility company.
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter, who is
dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit company has
developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the drug has been stuck
in the FDA government approval process for years, and will likely be
delayed until after she is dead. On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation of
drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it. Medical marijuana would
also help his daughter's pain, but that too is illegal because of Bob's
government.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after the
union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he worked.
The plant could not compete with plants in other states after that. He
finally got another job, but when the union there went on strike, that
plant laid off some workers after the wage increases. Even though Bob was a
more productive worker than many of the others, he was laid off because he
had less seniority. He never liked the union but was forced to pay dues to
the union at both jobs.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local public
school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his son's
disability. There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him there. He
wishes he could take his tax money that goes to support the public school
with him to help pay for the better schooling at the private school. Bob
has heard of a "voucher" plan that would allow this, but both his Liberal
and Conservative friends are too busy arguing about whether or not to teach
religion in public school to consider vouchers.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save his
family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products. But his
neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening because they
worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town suffering.
Bob's parents live on Social Security. They only have about 75 percent of
the retirement income they would have had from a private investment, but
they couldn't do that on top of their forced contributions to Social
Security. The program has been so badly managed that Bob is likely to
contribute for years to come and there is a good chance the program won't
have any money left at all when he retires. He wishes he could put his
retirement money in his local bank where he could earn a higher rate of
interest than in social security.
Bob sees Joe use the subway every day, but Bob never was able to. The
subway didn't go anywhere near Bob's place of work. He hears Joe say
"public transportation gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor"
but Bob feels like he's forced to pay taxes to support it, even though he
doesn't use it. It doesn't feel like much of a contribution to him, but
rather a robbery. Bob needs a new car to have transportation for work, if
he can find it. His car is very old. The new cars are just too expensive
these days, with the 10% luxury tax, 6% sales tax, and he knows cars
themselves cost about $3,000 more on average due to the cost of installing
all of the mandated safety equipment. So he drives an old car that doesn't
even have shoulder belts until he can afford a new car.
Bob listens to his grandparents talk about the great depression, and how
unfortunate it was that government policy makers didn't know better about
the effects of their policy back then. Harvard researchers have found that
the great depression would have only been a mild recession if not for the
good intentioned government programs put in place that ended up making
things worse and last longer. Back then, the government just didn't know
that cutting our money supply, raising taxes, and putting up tariffs would
all result in further contractions in the economy, rather than helping.
Bob thinks that well-meaning beaurocrats have used government laws and
regulations to interfere too much in his life.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
13 Dec 2005 05:00:13 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnfrq$18a$1@bolt.sonic.net:
A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought
to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe
to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the
meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers compensation or unemployment
check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home
because of his temporary misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because some
godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided
that Joe and the government would be better off if he were educated
and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity
until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't
belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self- made
man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with
water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from some big
company, because his city water department has failed to meet the mandated
water standards set by the government for 10 years running,
Note: "water standards set by the government"
"Jersey City, NJ, June 26, 2001 United Water customers in Jersey
City and Hoboken have received their Consumer Confidence Report (CCR)
on drinking water quality. The report mandated by federal and state
agencies shows that the company's water surpasses the government
requirements in most areas."
Note: "MOST areas".
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter, who is
dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit company has
developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the drug has been stuck
in the FDA government approval process for years, and will likely be
delayed until after she is dead.
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation of
drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it.
Of course he can't. Neocons are shifting wealth from the middle class
to the upper classes. That's why wages are flat and poverty is up.
Medical marijuana would
also help his daughter's pain, but that too is illegal because of Bob's
government.
Because conservative republicans refuse to allow the use of marijuana.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after the
union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where killing
workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local public
school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his son's
disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
He
wishes he could take his tax money that goes to support the public school
with him to help pay for the better schooling at the private school.
But that would mean no public schools at all and instead of getting a
free educaiton for his kids he'd be paying tens of thousands of
dollars a year.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save his
family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
But his
neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening because they
worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
Bob's parents live on Social Security.
Another propgram that republicans hate and want to destroy.
They only have about 75 percent of
the retirement income they would have had from a private investment,
The returns from SS are actually comparable to private investements,
and the claim above is a right-wing lie.
but
they couldn't do that on top of their forced contributions to Social
Security.
According to republicans they shouldn't be getting ANY government
assistance.
The program has been so badly managed
An outright lie.
Bob sees Joe use the subway every day, but Bob never was able to. The
subway didn't go anywhere near Bob's place of work. He hears Joe say
"public transportation gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor"
but Bob feels like he's forced to pay taxes to support it, even though he
doesn't use it.
And people who use the subway are forced to pay for roads that they
don't use.
Bob thinks that well-meaning beaurocrats have used government laws and
regulations to interfere too much in his life.
Bob is stupid.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 08:07:40 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjpt$59o$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnfrq$18a$1@bolt.sonic.net:
A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought
to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe
to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the
meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers compensation or unemployment
check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home
because of his temporary misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because some
godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided
that Joe and the government would be better off if he were educated
and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity
until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't
belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self- made
man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with
water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from some big
company, because his city water department has failed to meet the
mandated water standards set by the government for 10 years running,
Note: "water standards set by the government"
"Jersey City, NJ, June 26, 2001 United Water customers in Jersey
City and Hoboken have received their Consumer Confidence Report
(CCR) on drinking water quality. The report mandated by federal and
state agencies shows that the company's water surpasses the
government requirements in most areas."
Note: "MOST areas".
Yes, and the water quality was much lower when it was soley a government
run entity.
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter, who
is dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit
company has developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the drug
has been stuck in the FDA government approval process for years, and
will likely be delayed until after she is dead.
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time. It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be facing
lawsuits like Merck has been.
On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation of
drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it.
Of course he can't. Neocons are shifting wealth from the middle class
to the upper classes. That's why wages are flat and poverty is up.
The only way to shift wealth is through income redistribution and both
parties are guilty of that.
Medical marijuana would
also help his daughter's pain, but that too is illegal because of Bob's
government.
Because conservative republicans refuse to allow the use of marijuana.
Democrats are just as fanatical about the drug war as Republicans. And
every Supreme Court judge appointed by a Democrat voted to ban marijuana
use in the 2005 case Gonzales v. Raich.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after
the union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he
worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where killing
workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local public
school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his son's
disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
Lately, Republicans seem to not have a problem with this. Then again, I'm
not a Republican. I have a problem with government mandated charity.
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
Strawman. He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
He wishes he could take his tax money that goes to support the public
school with him to help pay for the better schooling at the private
school.
But that would mean no public schools at all
Sounds good to me.
and instead of getting a free educaiton for his kids he'd be paying tens
of thousands of dollars a year.
Nope. There are thousands of private schools that offer dirt cheap tuition
and even waive tuition for people who cannot pay.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save
his family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
I guess you don't like competition. You're the type of person who would
have lobbied to ban cars because it would have put the carriage makers out
of business.
But his neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening
because they worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town
suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
What do you have against the Chinese?
Bob's parents live on Social Security.
Another propgram that republicans hate and want to destroy.
Because it's unconstitutional.
They only have about 75 percent of
the retirement income they would have had from a private investment,
The returns from SS are actually comparable to private investements,
and the claim above is a right-wing lie.
Oh really? So you're saying that my FICA tax is earning me an annual
average of a 10% return and I'll see all that money when I retire?
but they couldn't do that on top of their forced contributions to
Social Security.
According to republicans they shouldn't be getting ANY government
assistance.
Nobody should.
The program has been so badly managed
An outright lie.
Bob sees Joe use the subway every day, but Bob never was able to. The
subway didn't go anywhere near Bob's place of work. He hears Joe say
"public transportation gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor" but Bob feels like he's forced to pay taxes to support it,
even though he doesn't use it.
And people who use the subway are forced to pay for roads that they
don't use.
They don't, unless they buy gasoline.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 11:43:01 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjpt$59o$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnfrq$18a$1@bolt.sonic.net:
A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal fought
to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's medical
plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for
paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is safe
to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the
meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical
benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some lazy
liberal union members fought and died for these working standards.
Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's employer doesn't
want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or
becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers compensation or unemployment
check because some stupid liberal didn't think he should lose his home
because of his temporary misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay some
bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because some
godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal decided
that Joe and the government would be better off if he were educated
and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because bankers
didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have electricity
until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where it didn't
belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives on
Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio talk
show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self- made
man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I
have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with
water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from some big
company, because his city water department has failed to meet the
mandated water standards set by the government for 10 years running,
Note: "water standards set by the government"
"Jersey City, NJ, June 26, 2001 United Water customers in Jersey
City and Hoboken have received their Consumer Confidence Report
(CCR) on drinking water quality. The report mandated by federal and
state agencies shows that the company's water surpasses the
government requirements in most areas."
Note: "MOST areas".
Yes,
That means that the water DOES NOT MEET GOVERNMENT STANDARDS.
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter, who
is dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit
company has developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the drug
has been stuck in the FDA government approval process for years, and
will likely be delayed until after she is dead.
Typical neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time.
Q.E.D.
You ***** no matter what happens because you're just a stupid
anti-government bigot.
It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be facing
lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even know
what Merck is being sued for.
On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation of
drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it.
Of course he can't. Neocons are shifting wealth from the middle class
to the upper classes. That's why wages are flat and poverty is up.
The only way to shift wealth is through income redistribution
Idiot propaganda.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after
the union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he
worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where killing
workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local public
school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his son's
disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
Lately, Republicans seem to not have a problem with this.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda item/
Then again, I'm
not a Republican.
You probabaly consider them to be too liberal.
I have a problem with government mandated charity.
Polly want a cracker?
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
Strawman.
It is not, coward. You restate my point in your very next sentence.
He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
Which means NO VOUCHERS and no public schools.
He wishes he could take his tax money that goes to support the public
school with him to help pay for the better schooling at the private
school.
But that would mean no public schools at all
Sounds good to me.
You _are_ a stupid dumbshit.
and instead of getting a free educaiton for his kids he'd be paying tens
of thousands of dollars a year.
Nope.
Liar.
There are thousands of private schools that offer dirt cheap tuition
No, liar, there are not.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save
his family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
I guess you don't like competition.
I like fair competition.
But his neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening
because they worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town
suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
What do you have against the Chinese?
What do you have against America?
Bob's parents live on Social Security.
Another propgram that republicans hate and want to destroy.
Because it's unconstitutional.
Polly want a cracker?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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15 Dec 2005 02:50:56 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnplj5$oac$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjpt$59o$1@bolt.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnfrq$18a$1@bolt.sonic.net:
A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal
fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's
medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their
employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is
safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to
regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay,
medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because
some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working
standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's
employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is
hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers
compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal
didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary
misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay
some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because
some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal
decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he were
educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because
bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have
electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where
it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives
on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio
talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-
made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just
like I have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot
with water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from
some big company, because his city water department has failed to
meet the mandated water standards set by the government for 10 years
running,
Note: "water standards set by the government"
"Jersey City, NJ, June 26, 2001 United Water customers in Jersey
City and Hoboken have received their Consumer Confidence Report
(CCR) on drinking water quality. The report mandated by federal
and state agencies shows that the company's water surpasses the
government requirements in most areas."
Note: "MOST areas".
Yes,
That means that the water DOES NOT MEET GOVERNMENT STANDARDS.
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter,
who is dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit
company has developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the
drug has been stuck in the FDA government approval process for years,
and will likely be delayed until after she is dead.
Typical neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time.
Q.E.D.
You ***** no matter what happens because you're just a stupid
anti-government bigot.
There's no such thing as an anti-government bigot. The founding fathers
didn't trust the government. Why do you?
It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be
facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even know
what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation
of drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it.
Of course he can't. Neocons are shifting wealth from the middle class
to the upper classes. That's why wages are flat and poverty is up.
The only way to shift wealth is through income redistribution
Idiot propaganda.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after
the union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he
worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where killing
workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local
public school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his
son's disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
Lately, Republicans seem to not have a problem with this.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools are a
failure.
Then again, I'm not a Republican.
You probabaly consider them to be too liberal.
Republicans are as big a threat to liberty as the Democrats. They each just
threaten different parts of liberty.
I have a problem with government mandated charity.
Polly want a cracker?
Your lack of an argument is noted.
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him
there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
Strawman.
It is not, coward. You restate my point in your very next sentence.
He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
Which means NO VOUCHERS and no public schools.
Sounds good to me.
He wishes he could take his tax money that goes to support the public
school with him to help pay for the better schooling at the private
school.
But that would mean no public schools at all
Sounds good to me.
You _are_ a stupid dumbshit.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
and instead of getting a free educaiton for his kids he'd be paying
tens of thousands of dollars a year.
Nope.
Liar.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
There are thousands of private schools that offer dirt cheap tuition
No, liar, there are not.
Ooooh! Great comeback! There is a private school near where I live that
charges $2500 a year per student. That is a hell of a lot less than what
the public scools around here spend per student and yet the private school
manages to turn out a better product? And you know what? I am friends with
the school's headmaster and if there is a family with a student that really
wants to go to his school but can't afford to pay, he lets that student in
for free.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save
his family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
I guess you don't like competition.
I like fair competition.
Then why do you support public schools and the USPS?
But his neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening
because they worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town
suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
What do you have against the Chinese?
What do you have against America?
You didn't answer the question.
I have nothing against America. I have a problem with subsidizing companies
that can't compete.
Bob's parents live on Social Security.
Another propgram that republicans hate and want to destroy.
Because it's unconstitutional.
Polly want a cracker?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 03:16:34 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
A Day in Life of Joe Republican
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot with water to prepare
his morning coffee. The water is clean and good because some
tree-hugging liberal fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His
medications are safe to take because some stupid commie liberal
fought to insure their safety and that they work as advertised.
All but $10 of his medications are paid for by his employer's
medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their
employers for paid medical insurance -- now Joe gets it, too.
He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs. Joe's bacon is
safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to
regulate the meat packing industry.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is
properly labeled with each ingredient and its amount in the total
contents because some crybaby liberal fought for his right to know
what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he
breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko liberal fought
for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
He walks to the subway station for his government-subsidized ride to
work. It saves him considerable money in parking and transportation
fees because some fancy-pants liberal fought for affordable public
transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a
contributor.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay,
medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because
some lazy liberal union members fought and died for these working
standards. Joe's employer pays these standards because Joe's
employer doesn't want his employees to call the union. If Joe is
hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get a workers
compensation or unemployment check because some stupid liberal
didn't think he should lose his home because of his temporary
misfortune.
It's noontime, and Joe needs to make a bank deposit so he can pay
some bills. Joe's deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC, because
some godless liberal wanted to protect Joe's money from unscrupulous
bankers who ruined the banking system before the Great Depression.
Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae-underwritten mortgage and his
below-market federal student loan because some elitist liberal
decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he were
educated and earned more money over his lifetime.
Joe is home from work. He plans to visit his father this evening at
his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive. His
car is among the safest in the world because some America-hating
liberal fought for car safety standards.
He arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live
in the house financed by Farmers' Home Administration because
bankers didn't want to make rural loans. The house didn't have
electricity until some big-government liberal stuck his nose where
it didn't belong and demanded rural electrification.
He is happy to see his father, who is now retired. His father lives
on Social Security and a union pension because some wine-drinking,
cheese-eating liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe
wouldn't have to.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on a radio
talk show. The radio host keeps saying that liberals are bad and
conservatives are good. He doesn't mention that the beloved
Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe
enjoys throughout his day. Joe agrees: "We don't need those
big-government liberals ruining our lives! After all, I'm a self-
made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just
like I have."
Joe's neighbor, Bob, also gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffeepot
with water. His faucet has a water purifier on it, purchased from
some big company, because his city water department has failed to
meet the mandated water standards set by the government for 10 years
running,
Note: "water standards set by the government"
"Jersey City, NJ, June 26, 2001 United Water customers in Jersey
City and Hoboken have received their Consumer Confidence Report
(CCR) on drinking water quality. The report mandated by federal
and state agencies shows that the company's water surpasses the
government requirements in most areas."
Note: "MOST areas".
Yes,
That means that the water DOES NOT MEET GOVERNMENT STANDARDS.
Bob finishes his coffee and goes in to wake his 5 year old daughter,
who is dying from a rare form of liver disease. A private, for-profit
company has developed medicine that can cure the disease, but the
drug has been stuck in the FDA government approval process for years,
and will likely be delayed until after she is dead.
Typical neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time.
Q.E.D.
You ***** no matter what happens because you're just a stupid
anti-government bigot.
There's no such thing as an anti-government bigot.
Yes there is.
The founding fathers
didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without. Your hypocritical whinings only show that
you're just a stupid bigot who likes to complain.
It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be
facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even know
what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
On the internet Bob has seen that this
drug is available in other countries with less government regulation
of drugs, but he can't afford to go there to get it.
Of course he can't. Neocons are shifting wealth from the middle class
to the upper classes. That's why wages are flat and poverty is up.
The only way to shift wealth is through income redistribution
Idiot propaganda.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
YOUR lack of argument. Idiotic ***** about "income redistribution"
is nothin but meaningless propaganda designed to sucker fools like
you.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened after
the union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company where he
worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where killing
workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local
public school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his
son's disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
Lately, Republicans seem to not have a problem with this.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools are a
failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
Then again, I'm not a Republican.
You probabaly consider them to be too liberal.
Republicans are as big a threat to liberty as the Democrats.
But not as big a threat as you'd like.
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him
there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
Strawman.
It is not, coward. You restate my point in your very next sentence.
He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
Which means NO VOUCHERS and no public schools.
Sounds good to me.
And the result is the destruction of the United States. Without an
educated workforce the US would sink into anarchy and abject poverty.
There are thousands of private schools that offer dirt cheap tuition
No, liar, there are not.
Ooooh! Great comeback!
Worthy of your ***** claims.
There is a private school near where I live that
charges $2500 a year per student.
And who is the school subsidized by? How many students do they turn
away? Do they have any obligation to provide any education to student
that might be a challenge? Do the student do any better than publicly
educated students?
My kids go to a private school. Some of the kids don't pay any
tuition because the school has a program to accept a few tuition-free
students. It's subsidized by the parents who pay $12,000/year per
child. And the school routinely turns away students that they don't
think would be a good fit.
Who educates the students that the private schools find to be too
expensive?
I suggest that you actually research the subject before you start
spewing more idiotic *****.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would save
his family almost $100 a month on groceries and household products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
I guess you don't like competition.
I like fair competition.
Then why do you support public schools and the USPS?
Because I'm smarter than you. Because public schools benefit
everybody and because the USPS is about the most efficient mail
service in the world.
But his neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening
because they worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town
suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
What do you have against the Chinese?
What do you have against America?
You didn't answer the question.
You didn't answer the question. What do you have against America?
I have nothing against America.
Which is why you promote policies which would destroy America.
What do you have against America?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 09:34:56 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1dd32$0$58073$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
It's in a drug company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise
they will be facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even know
what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
Bob has lost his job. Actually two. The first job loss happened
after the union formed and drove up the labor costs at the company
where he worked.
And because republicans have been shifting jobs overseas where
killing workers via unsafe working conditions and pollution is not
expensive.
Bob's son, Mike, has a learning disability. He attends the local
public school, which offers only a limited amount of help for his
son's disability.
Because republicans hate paying for disabilities and public schools.
Lately, Republicans seem to not have a problem with this.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools are
a failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
There is a private school in Mike's town that offers much
better help for kids like Mike, but Bob can't afford to send him
there.
Too bad. According to capitalist republicans he has no business
expecting anybody to help him with his child's needs.
Strawman.
It is not, coward. You restate my point in your very next sentence.
He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
Which means NO VOUCHERS and no public schools.
Sounds good to me.
And the result is the destruction of the United States. Without an
educated workforce the US would sink into anarchy and abject poverty.
There are thousands of private schools that offer dirt cheap tuition
No, liar, there are not.
Ooooh! Great comeback!
Worthy of your ***** claims.
There is a private school near where I live that
charges $2500 a year per student.
And who is the school subsidized by? How many students do they turn
away? Do they have any obligation to provide any education to student
that might be a challenge? Do the student do any better than publicly
educated students?
My kids go to a private school. Some of the kids don't pay any
tuition because the school has a program to accept a few tuition-free
students. It's subsidized by the parents who pay $12,000/year per
child. And the school routinely turns away students that they don't
think would be a good fit.
Who educates the students that the private schools find to be too
expensive?
Most government schools cost $4,000-$10,000/pupil/year. Freedom to
innovate and compete will reduce costs by half. Better use of technology
will reduce costs another 10 to 20 percent. Further, by blending campus-,
cooperative-, home-, and self-schooling, education in urban centers --
much better than today's government schools -- will be available as low as
$1,500-$2,000 per year.
A super Wal-Mart has been trying to open in Bob's town. It would
save his family almost $100 a month on groceries and household
products.
And cost his neighbors their jobs.
I guess you don't like competition.
I like fair competition.
Then why do you support public schools and the USPS?
Because I'm smarter than you. Because public schools benefit
everybody
More collectivist *****. The rights of the individual are more
important than the rights of the group. If we had laws banning smoking,
banning all food the government deemed unhealthy, banning television, and
mandating regular exercise four times a week then that would probably be a
benefit to everyone, but do you think we should make it into law.
and because the USPS is about the most efficient mail service in the
world.
That's a bold statement. How about you prove it.
But his neighbors have been fighting to keep Wal-Mart from opening
because they worry about the local mom and pop businesses in town
suffering.
Better to make sure that Chinese workers have jobs.
What do you have against the Chinese?
I have nothing against America.
Which is why you promote policies which would destroy America.
For decades after the United States was founded, the vast majority of
schools were private, yet the republic still stands.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 11:19:18 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1dd32$0$58073$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
Your statement is worthless propaganda. If oyu want a minum
government then move to Somalia where there is next to no government.
And notice how well it works.
It's in a drug company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise
they will be facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even know
what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
It is exactly what the government is supposed to do.
Look at the preamble to the US Constitution.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools are
a failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
When there are tens of millions graduating who are educated then it is
obvious that the schools are not a failure.
And your insitence that MORE people grow up uneducated is typically
stupid right-wing idiocy.
He has no business expecting the government, using other people's
money, to help him.
Which means NO VOUCHERS and no public schools.
Sounds good to me.
And the result is the destruction of the United States. Without an
educated workforce the US would sink into anarchy and abject poverty.
There is a private school near where I live that
charges $2500 a year per student.
And who is the school subsidized by? How many students do they turn
away? Do they have any obligation to provide any education to student
that might be a challenge? Do the student do any better than publicly
educated students?
No answer to any of the questions.
My kids go to a private school. Some of the kids don't pay any
tuition because the school has a program to accept a few tuition-free
students. It's subsidized by the parents who pay $12,000/year per
child. And the school routinely turns away students that they don't
think would be a good fit.
Who educates the students that the private schools find to be too
expensive?
Most government schools cost $4,000-$10,000/pupil/year. Freedom to
innovate and compete will reduce costs by half.
More ridiculous propaganda.
Better use of technology
will reduce costs another 10 to 20 percent.
How? By replacing teachers with machines?
Are you really so stupid? Do you blindly accept ALL of the neocon
propaganda that your fed? Do you question nothing?
I like fair competition.
Then why do you support public schools and the USPS?
Because I'm smarter than you. Because public schools benefit
everybody
More collectivist *****.
Dumbshit bigot.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
16 Dec 2005 02:33:34 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a24e56$0$58065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1dd32$0$58073$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
Your statement is worthless propaganda. If oyu want a minum
government then move to Somalia where there is next to no government.
And notice how well it works.
Please explain how abolishing the FDA will turn America into Somalia?
We have a minimum government in 1776 yet our republic still stands.
It's in a drug company's best interest to make a safe drug,
otherwise they will be facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even
know what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
It is exactly what the government is supposed to do.
Look at the preamble to the US Constitution.
Nothing about testing drugs in there.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda
item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools
are a failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
When there are tens of millions graduating who are educated then it is
obvious that the schools are not a failure.
The literacy rate in this country was much higher when private schools
outnumbered public schools.
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16 Dec 2005 03:08:39 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
Your statement is worthless propaganda. If you want a minum
government then move to Somalia where there is next to no government.
And notice how well it works.
Please explain how abolishing the FDA will turn America into Somalia?
It's your strawman - you explain it.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
It is exactly what the government is supposed to do.
Look at the preamble to the US Constitution.
Nothing about testing drugs in there.
Your admission of defeat is noted.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
When there are tens of millions graduating who are educated then it is
obvious that the schools are not a failure.
The literacy rate in this country was much higher when private schools
outnumbered public schools.
You really are a shameless liar.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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16 Dec 2005 03:03:39 PM |
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In article <43a3249e$0$8788$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a24e56$0$58065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1dd32$0$58073$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
Your statement is worthless propaganda. If oyu want a minum
government then move to Somalia where there is next to no government.
And notice how well it works.
Please explain how abolishing the FDA will turn America into Somalia?
We have a minimum government in 1776 yet our republic still stands.
It's in a drug company's best interest to make a safe drug,
otherwise they will be facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even
know what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
It is exactly what the government is supposed to do.
Look at the preamble to the US Constitution.
Nothing about testing drugs in there.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda
item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools
are a failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
When there are tens of millions graduating who are educated then it is
obvious that the schools are not a failure.
The literacy rate in this country was much higher when private schools
outnumbered public schools.
I seriously doubt that, as "universal literacy" is a relatively recent
concept. Can you back up this claim with numbers?
-- cary
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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16 Dec 2005 07:10:37 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:03:39 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <43a3249e$0$8788$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net> Deuteros
<deuteros@xrs.net> writes:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a24e56$0$58065$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1dd32$0$58073$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
The founding fathers didn't trust the government. Why do you?
What makes you think I trust government? Government is useful and
impossible to do without.
And best kept at a minimum.
Your statement is worthless propaganda. If oyu want a minum
government then move to Somalia where there is next to no government.
And notice how well it works.
Please explain how abolishing the FDA will turn America into Somalia?
We have a minimum government in 1776 yet our republic still stands.
It's in a drug company's best interest to make a safe drug,
otherwise they will be facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
LOL! You really have not the first clue, do you? You don't even
know what Merck is being sued for.
Your lack of an argument is noted.
You complain when the FDA releases drugs too soon and you complain
when the FDA takes too long.
I complain because drug testing and approval is not a legitimate role of
our government.
It is exactly what the government is supposed to do.
Look at the preamble to the US Constitution.
Nothing about testing drugs in there.
*****. Killing public schools is a classic right-wing agenda
item/
Right wingers aren't the only ones who realize that public schools
are a failure.
They're not a failure, bigot.
When you have thousands of kid graduating each year from public schools
who can't read their diplomas then they are indeed a failure.
When there are tens of millions graduating who are educated then it is
obvious that the schools are not a failure.
The literacy rate in this country was much higher when private schools
outnumbered public schools.
I seriously doubt that, as "universal literacy" is a relatively recent
concept. Can you back up this claim with numbers?
-- cary
I think that whatshisface means "white males". It's still wrong.
Mebbe whatshisface means is "white males who either live in towns
or are the owners of farms and plantations but not sharecroppers or
po' white".
From the discussions about "universal literacy" over the years -
especially people of my father's generation (circa born 1910-1920)
- World War Two is given as the cause of the ending of /tremendous/
illiteracy.
"McNamara's Million" (or "McNamara's Hundred Thousand" - whatever)
contained many illiterates but the Army quickly educated them to,
at least, the very low reading expectations of the "typical" daily
newspaper reader.
Gray Shockley
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Yellow Bushie, Yellow Bushie;
You're lying through your tushie.
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| User: "Galileo" |
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16 Dec 2005 03:31:41 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Because I'm smarter than you. Because public schools benefit
everybody and because the USPS is about the most efficient mail
service in the world.
Public schools do NOT benefit everyone. My parents moved when I was a
kid, and I wound up in a small, rural school in another state. During
my third grade year, I had read and completed all the work before
Christmas. Instead of finding something else for me to do (which would
have required effort on the part of the teacher), they moved me up into
fourth grade. I went from single-place multiplication to having to
multiply (and divide) thousands. I had no idea how to do it, and the
teacher didn't have time to show me.
Moving me up also had the lovely effect of making sure all of the local
kids despised me - how dared I be smarter than they were? Hatred makes
for such an enjoyable learning environment.
I finally figured out on my own how to do my work, but by then I had
also realized that the teachers didn't give a ***** about me and my
education. If they didn't care, why should I?
The "No Child Left Behind" act has made public schools a worse place
for intelligent kids. They aren't challenged, they aren't pushed -
they are ignored because they can do the basic work and other kids need
the teachers' help.
Public schools CAN do a good job. But they are limited by their
budget, their teachers, and the number of kids the teachers work with.
Smaller classes - and more individual attention - would benefit
everyone. Schools need more money, so they can hire more teachers, so
they can have smaller classes, so everyone can benefit from those
classes.
Will this ever happen? Not likely. The Bush administration has
already cut some funding for "No Child Left Behind." Raise taxes to
support it? Not likely either.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
14 Dec 2005 11:54:19 AM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjpt$59o$1@bolt.sonic.net:
{...}
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time. It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be facing
lawsuits like Merck has been.
OK, you'll have to exaplain that last to me. Pharmaceutical companies
don't put out dangerous drugs because that would be bad for business,
while the FDA, on the other hand, approves dangerous drugs?
Where is the FDA getting these dangerous drugs?
-- cary
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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15 Dec 2005 03:10:16 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dnpm8b$mlp$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:dnnjpt$59o$1@bolt.sonic.net:
{...}
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time. It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be
facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
OK, you'll have to exaplain that last to me. Pharmaceutical companies
don't put out dangerous drugs because that would be bad for business,
while the FDA, on the other hand, approves dangerous drugs?
Where is the FDA getting these dangerous drugs?
Okay, why would a company put out a product they just spent millions of
dollars developing when they know there is a dangerous defect in the
product that kills people, or something like that? Also knowing that if
this defect comes to light (which is highly likely) they will lose
millions of dollars in sales and R & D money as well as be sued to death
by bloodsucking lawyers.
As for the FDA, it's under the pretense that it "protects Americans", but
in actuality restricts access to safe and effective remedies, by making
the approval process so costly. The only ones who can afford it are the
major pharmaceutical firms.
Like the IRS the FDA is notorious for its injustice, but unlike the IRS,
who has at least a veil of legitimacy under the sixteenth Amendment, the
FDA has none under our Constitution.
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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16 Dec 2005 02:37:59 PM |
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news:43a1dbb8$0$62227$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:dnpm8b$mlp$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
OK, you'll have to exaplain that last to me.
Pharmaceutical companies don't put out dangerous drugs
because that would be bad for business, while the FDA, on
the other hand, approves dangerous drugs?
Where is the FDA getting these dangerous drugs?
Okay, why would a company put out a product they just spent
millions of dollars developing when they know there is a
dangerous defect in the product that kills people, or
something like that? Also knowing that if this defect comes
to light (which is highly likely) they will lose millions
of dollars in sales and R & D money as well as be sued to
death by bloodsucking lawyers.
Because they goofed? Because they're greedy? Because they
don't care? Because they think that they can get away with it?
All of these, or any combination, can provide an explanation
of why corporations might market an unsafe product. And not
having an FDA, and the threat of punishment, makes any incentive
of someone attempting just that even greater.
As for the FDA, it's under the pretense that it "protects
Americans", but in actuality restricts access to safe and
effective remedies, by making the approval process so
costly. The only ones who can afford it are the major
pharmaceutical firms.
The FDA is actually quite reasonable. Are you aware of what
they actually require in regards to this?
Plus, what's the alternative? We all do our own product and
drug testing?
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Dec 2005 03:33:27 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too careful
and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time. It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be
facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
OK, you'll have to exaplain that last to me. Pharmaceutical companies
don't put out dangerous drugs because that would be bad for business,
while the FDA, on the other hand, approves dangerous drugs?
Where is the FDA getting these dangerous drugs?
Okay, why would a company put out a product they just spent millions of
You're not answering the question.
dollars developing when they know there is a dangerous defect in the
product that kills people, or something like that?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
As for the FDA, it's under the pretense that it "protects Americans", but
in actuality restricts access to safe and effective remedies,
By approving "drugs that kill people all the time".
You contradict yourself and you're too stupid to notice even when
people point it out to you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Deuteros" |
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15 Dec 2005 09:37:24 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:43a1e127$0$58038$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Tyoicakl neocon - blame the government for approving drugs too fast
that then kill people, and blame the government for being too
careful and not approvingdrgs fast enough.
The FDA approved drugs that kill people all the time. It's in a drug
company's best interest to make a safe drug, otherwise they will be
facing lawsuits like Merck has been.
OK, you'll have to exaplain that last to me. Pharmaceutical companies
don't put out dangerous drugs because that would be bad for business,
while the FDA, on the other hand, approves dangerous drugs?
Where is the FDA getting these dangerous drugs?
Okay, why would a company put out a product they just spent millions of
You're not answering the question.
dollars developing when they know there is a dangerous defect in the
product that kills people, or something like that?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Tell me know how a company is going to make money from a defective product
that they have to take off the market after spending millions of dollars
developing it, as well as facing thousands of bloodsucking lawyers
clamering to sue.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Red states turning blue |
15 Dec 2005 11:20:34 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
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