"Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|Mitchell Holman wrote:
:|> "Dana" <whoya@whoya.com> wrote in news:11ke7p0hbglbjc0@corp.supernews.com:
:|>
:|> > I know its really unpopular to say this in
:|> > this day and age - but we do know don't we - that the American legal
:|> > code was in many respects modeled after biblical principles and the Ten
:|> > Commandments?
:|> Wrong.
:|
:|How so?
:|> > We do recognize, do we not, that the dignity of the
:|> > individual - including their personal rights were ideas gleaned from
:|> > Scripture before they were put into the legal document that now governs
:|> > our nation?
:|>
:|> Wrong.
:|
:|How so?
:|
:|> > Were not the Ten Commandments an original pattern for how
:|> > our set of laws were established?
:|>
:|> Not at all.
:|
:|Oh really? I notice you don't bother to actually prove any of these
:|wrong, so are we to assume this is only your worthless opinion?
:|
:|> > And haven't we seen the destruction of
:|> > not only the Ten Commandments, but also the traditional understanding of
:|> > what American law has meant - say for the past 40 years?
:|>
:|> No.
:|>
:|> > Miers transforms the matter in multiple ways. But because she views the
:|> > Constitution similarly to the way she views Scripture, we can count on a
:|> > solid, unchanging, unshifting worldview from this woman.
:|>
:|> We don't know anything about Miers views
:|> because Bush won't release any of the legal
:|> briefs she has written.
:|>
:|> > But because I know and trust the God who created me, the president and
:|> > Ms. Miers
:|>
:|> The same Bush who you trusted when he appointed
:|> "Brownie" to head FEMA, and who you trusted when he
:|> said Saddam's WMD's were a threat to the US is now
:|> asking us to trust him over Miers.
:|
:|Plan to actually support any of your spew with facts?
Be more than happy to. Kindly observe and educate yourself:
* The Ten Commandments Issues
o The Complete Ten Commandments, a Study Guide
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/10commsg.htm
[excerpt]
American Founding Era
Adams & Jefferson Questioned The Source of The Ten Commandments
November 14, 1813
Quincy Nov. 14, 1813
Among all your researches in Hebrew History and Controversy have you
ever met a book, the design of which is to prove, that the ten
Commandments, as We have them in our Catechisms and hung up in our
Churches, were not the Ten Commandments written by the Finger of God upon
tables, delivered to Moses on mount Sinai and broken by him in a passion
with Aaron for his golden calf, nor those afterwards engraved by him on
Tables of Stone; but a very different Sett of Commandments?
There is such a book by J. W. Goethens Schristen.84 Berlin 1775-1779. 1
wish to see this Book.
You will see the Subject and perceive the question in Exodus 20. 1-17.
21-28. chapter 24- 3 etc. ch. 24- 12. ch. 25. 31 ch- 31. 18. ch- 31- 19.
ch. 34. 1. ch- 34. 10 etc.
I will make a Covenant with all this People. Observe that which I
command this day.
I
Thou shall not adore any other God. Therefore take heed, not to
enter into covenant, with the Inhabitants of this country; neither take for
your Sons, their daughters in marriage. They would allure thee to the
Worship of false Gods. Much less shall you in any place, erect Images.
2
The Feast of unleavened bread, shall thou keep. Seven days, shall
thou eat unleavened bread, at the time of the month Abib; to remember that
about that time, I delivered thee from Egypt.
3
Every first born of the mother is mine; the male of thine herd, be
it Stock or flock. But you shall replace the first born of an ***** with a
Sheep. The first born of your Sons shall you redeem. No Man shall appear
before me with empty hands.
4
Six days shall thou labour: the seventh day, thou shall rest from
ploughing and gathering.
5
The Feast of Weeks shall thou keep, with the firstlings of the
Wheat Harvest: and the Feast of Harvesting, at the end of the year.
6
Thrice, in every year, all male persons shall appear before the
Lord. Nobody shall invade your Country, as long as you obey this Command.
7
Thou shall not sacrifice the blood of a Sacrifice of mine, upon
leavened bread.
8
The Sacrifice of the Passover shall not remain, till the next day.
9
The Firstlings of the produce of your land, thou shall bring to the
House of the Lord.
10
Thou shall not boil the kid, while it is yet sucking.
And the Lord spake to Moses: Write these Words; as, after these
Words I made with you, and with Israel a Covenant.
I know not whether Goethens translated or abridged from the Hebrew, or
whether he used any translation Greek, Latin, or German. But he differs in
form and Words, somewhat from our Version. Exod. 34. 10. to 28. The Sense
seems to be the same. The Tables were the evidence of the covenant, by
which the Almighty attached the People of Israel to himself. By these laws
they were seperated from all other nations, and were reminded of the
principal Epochas of their History.
When and where originated our Ten Commandments? The Tables and The Ark
were lost. Authentic Copies, in few, if any hands; the ten Precepts could
not be observed, and were little remembered.
If the Book of Deuteronomy was compiled, during or after the Babilonian
Captivity, from Traditions, the Error or Amendment might come in there.
But you must be weary, as I am at present, of Problems, Conjectures,
and paradoxes, concerning Hebrew, Grecian and Christian and all other
Antiquities; but while We believe that the finis bonorum will be happy, We
may leave learned men to this disquisitions and Criticisms.
I admire your Employment, in selecting the Philosophy and Divinity of
Jesus and seperating it from all intermixtures. If I had Eyes and Nerves, I
would go through both Testaments and mark all that I understand. To examine
the Mishna Gemara Cabbala Jezirah, Sohar Cosri and Talmud of the Hebrews 85
would require the life of Methuselah, and after all, his 969 Years would be
wasted to very little purpose. The Daemon of Hierarchical despotism has
been at Work, both with the Mishna and Gemara. In 1238 a French Jew, made a
discovery to the Pope (Gregory 9th) of the heresies of the Talmud.86, The
Pope sent 35 Articles of Error, to the Archbishops of France, requiring
them to seize the books of the Jews, and burn all that contained any
Errors. He wrote in the same terms to the Kings of France, England Arragon,
Castile Leon, Navarre and Portugal. In consequence of this Order 20
Cartloads of Hebrew Books were burnt in France: and how many times 20
Cartloads were destroyed in the other Kingdoms? The Talmud of Babylon and
that of Jerusalem were composed from 120 to 500 Years after the destruction
of Jerusalem. If Lightfoot derived Light from what escaped from Gregorys
fury in explaining many passages in the New Testament by comparing the
Expressions of the Mishna, with those of the Apostles and Evangelists, how
many proofs of the Corruptions of Christianity might We find in the
Passages burnt?
John Adams
84. JA misread the f in Schriften for a long s and took the title for
part of the author's name (Goethens was a possessive form already
obsolescent). One of the earliest collected editions of Goethe's Writings,
unauthorized by him, was first issued by C. F. Himberg in 3 vols. (Berlin,
1775). A fourth volume (1779) included two tracts on religious subjects, in
part an early application of historical criticism to the Old Testament. The
derivation of JA's translation of Goethe's selection from Exodus 34: 10-27
has not been determined.
85. The principal literary expressions of the Hebrew religion. The
Talmud as the main teaching of Judaism was under attack by the Catholic
Church from the thirteenth century on and at times copies by the cartload
were burned; hence manuscripts of the Talmud are extremely rare.
86. These burnings were ordered under Pope Innocent IV, not Gregory IX.
Source of Informtaion:
Excerpt of letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 14, 1813. The
Adams-Jefferson Letters, The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas
Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams, Edited By Lester J. Cappon, The
University of North Carolina Press, (1959; 1987) pp. 395-97
January 24, 1814
Monticello Jan. 24, 1813
Dear Sir
I have great need of the indulgence so kindly extended to me in your
favor of Dec. 25. of permitting me to answer your friendly letters at my
leisure. My frequent and long absences from home are a first cause of
tardiness in my correspondence, and a Id. the accumulation of business
during my absence, some of which imperiously commands first attentions. I
am now in arrear to you for your letters of Nov. 12. 14- 16. Dec. 3. 19.
25.
I, have made some enquiry about Taylor's book, 24 and I learn from a
neighbor of his that it has been understood for some time that he was
writing a political work. We had not heard of it's publication, nor has it
been announced in any of our papers. But this must be the book of 630.
pages which you have recieved; and certainly neither the style nor the
stuff of the author of Arator can ever be mistaken. In the latter work, as
you observe, there are some good things, but so involved in quaint, in
farfetched, affected, mystical conciepts, and flimsy theories, that who can
take the trouble of getting at them?
You ask me if I have ever seen the work of J. W. Goethens Schristen?
Never. Nor did the question ever occur to me before Where get we the ten
commandments? The book indeed gives them to us verbatim. But where did it
get them? For itself tells us they were written by the finger of god on
tables of stone, which were destroyed by Moses: it specifies those on the
Id. set of tables in different form and substance, but still without saying
how the others were recovered. But the whole history of these books is so
defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into
it: and such tricks have been plaid with their text, and with the texts of
other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to
entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New testament
there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an
extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior
minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from
dunghills. The matter of the first was such as would be preserved in the
memory of the hearers, and handed on by tradition for a long time; the
latter such stuff as might be gathered up, for imbedding it, any where, and
at any time.
24. Taylor, An Inquiry into the Government of the United States.
Source of Information:
Excerpt of letter from Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, Jan, 24, 1814. The
Adams-Jefferson Letters, The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas
Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams, Edited By Lester J. Cappon, The
University of North Carolina Press, (1959; 1987) p.. 421.
Adams Identified The Commandments as Religion, at Least His Religion
[That doesn't exactly jive with all the religious right arguments that the
Commandments are the source of our laws, are historical, etc. They tend to
deny that the Ten Commandments are religious or religion.]
September 30, 1816
And if you will agree with me, We will issue our Bulls, and enjoin upon
all these Gentlemen to be Silent, till they can tell Us, What Matter is and
What Spirit is! And in the mean time to observe the Commandments and the
Sermon on the Mount.
J. Adams
Source of Informtaion:
Excerpt of letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, Sept. 30, 1816. The
Adams-Jefferson Letters, The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas
Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams, Edited By Lester J. Cappon, The
University of North Carolina Press, (1959; 1987)
p. 490
November 4, 1816
The Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount contain my religion.
John Adams
Source of Informtaion:
Excerpt of letter from John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, Nov. 4, 1816. The
Adams-Jefferson Letters, The Complete Correspondence Between Thomas
Jefferson and Abigail and John Adams, Edited By Lester J. Cappon, The
University of North Carolina Press, (1959; 1987)
p. 494
The Rev. John Leland Stated That The Ten Commandments Were Unique to And
Applied Only to the Ancient Hebrews
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/leland10.htm
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Thomas Paine---Founder
When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of
the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe
him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so;
and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The
commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain
some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a
legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural
intervention. *
* Age of Reason, Footnote 1
It is, however, necessary to except the declaration which says that God
visits the sins of the fathers upon the children; it is contrary to every
principle of moral justice.
SOURCE: Age of Reason, Thomas Paine Age of Reason, Part First, Section 1
http://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/reason1.htm
The Age of Reason Thomas Paine, Part I Prometheus Books Buffalo, NY p 10
(1984)
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Rev. John Leland on the Ten Commandments, Judge Moore and other related
things
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/leland10.htm
[excerpt]
A Baptist minister and follow warrior with Jefferson, Madison and others in
the struggle for religious freedom gave this advice about electing public
officials: "...Guard against those men who make a great noise about
religion, when choosing your representatives"
[end of excerpt]
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o Congress Shall Make No Law Respecting the Establishment of
Reason. Neal Blanchett, Esq. comments on the Ten Commandments controversy.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/blanch2.htm
o The Seven Lost Commandments
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/7lostcom.htm
o Rev. John Leland on the Ten Commandments, Judge Moore and other
related things
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/leland10.htm
Study Guide: The Roots of American Democracy
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd8.htm
Roots of American Law
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/histlaw.htm
The Christian Bible and the Foundations of the U. S.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/biblfoun.htm
How often did the founders quote the Bible?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg9.htm
Did Montesquieu base his theory of separation of powers on the Bible?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/montesquieu.htm
Christianity and the Constitution
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg10.htm
Does the Constitution Embody Christian Thought and Morality?
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg10a.htm
The "Sundays Excepted" clause
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg10b.htm
"The Year of Our Lord" and separation.
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg10c.htm
Federal officials take their oaths upon a Bible, and use the words
"so help me God." http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tnppage/arg11.htm
* A Baptist minister and follow warrior with Jefferson, Madison
and others in the struggle for religious freedom gave this advice
about electing public officials: "...guard against those men who make
a great noise about religion..."
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/leland5.htm
* Madison's Arguments Against Special Religious Sanction of
American Government
http://candst.tripod.com/madlib.htm
* Treaty of Tripoli, 1796: Little-Known U.S. Document Signed by
President Adams Proclaims America's Government Is Secular
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/tripoli1.htm
Is it true that Madison said "Our future is staked on the 10
commandments?"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/misq1.htm
Is it true that Madison said "Religion is the foundation of government?"
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/misq2.htm
Study Guide: Separation of Church and State - Indepth
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/studygd0.htm
* Madison's vetoes: Some of The First Official Meanings Assigned to The
Establishment Clause (1811)
http://candst.tripod.com/madvetos.htm
James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (June,1785)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/memorial.htm
Excerpts from James Madison's Detached Memoranda (written after 1817)
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/detach.htm
James Madison on Separation of Church and State
Direct references to separation to be found in the writings of James
Madison
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OCTOBER 1, 1803
Notes for annual message, Oct. 17, 1803: alterations and additions, etc [1]
(3) after "assure"-are proposed "in due season, and under prudent
arrangements, important aids to our Treasury, as well as," an ample etc.
Quere: if the two or three succeeding paragraphs be not more
adapted to the separate and subsequent communication, if adopted as above
suggested.
(4) For the first sentence, may be substituted "In the territory between
the Mississippi and the Ohio another valuable acquisition has been made by
a treaty etc."[3.] As it stands, it does not sufficiently distinguish the
nature of the one acquisition from that of the other, and seems to imply
that the acquisition from France was wholly on the other side of the
Mississippi
May it not be as well to omit the detail of the stipulated
considerations, and particularly that of the Roman Catholic Pastor. The
jealousy of some may see in it a principle, not according with the
exemption of Religion from Civil power. In the Indian Treaty it will be
less noticed than in a President's speech.[4.]
FOOTNOTES:
[1.] For TJ's third annual message to Congress, Oct. 17, 1803, see Ford,
VIII, pp. 266-7)
[3.] TI's message announced the acquisition of territory by treaty from the
Kaskaskia Indians; see
Ford, VIII, pp. 269-70.
[4.] TJ accepted JM's suggestion to omit any discussion of Indian treaty
requirements to maintain a Roman Catholic priest, leaving the stipulations
in the treaty to "the competence of both
houses.... as soon as the senate shall have advised its ratification"; see
ibid.
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, Washington, Oct.
1, 1803, Notes for annual message, Oct. 17, 1803: alterations and
additions, etc.[1.],
The Republic of Letters, the Correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and
James Madison, 1776-1826, Edited by James Morton Smith, Vol. II, 1790
-1804, W. W. Norton & Company, New York, London, (1995) pp 1297-98)
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JUNE 3, 1811
"To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I
have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the
Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem
Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical
distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the
purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States,
I could not have other wise discharged my duty on the
occasion which presented itself"
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June
3, 1811. Letters And Other Writings of James Madison Fourth President Of
The United States In Four Volumes Published By the Order Of Congress,
Vol..II, J. B. Lippincott & Co., Philadelphia, (1865) pp 511-512)
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MARCH 2, 1819
"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated
hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions
with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of
the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly
increased by the total separation of the church from the State."
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Excert of a letter to Robert Walsh from James
Madison. MARCH 2, 1819 Letters and Other writings of James Madison, in
Four Volumes, Published by Order of Congress. VOL. III, J. B. Lippincott &
Co. Philadelphia, (1865), pp 121-126. James Madison on Religious Liberty,
Robert S.Alley, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, N.Y. (1985) pp 82-83)
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1817-1833
"Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and Gov't in the
Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by
Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents' already furnished
in their short history"
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Excerpt from Madison's Detached Memoranda. This
document was discovered in 1946 among the papers of William Cabell Rives, a
biographer of Madison. Scholars date these observations in Madison's hand
sometime between 1817 and 1832. The entire document was published by
Elizabeth Fleet in the William and Mary Quarterly of October 1946.
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JULY 10, 1822
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation
between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have
no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done,
in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity
the less they are mixed together"
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Excerpt of letter to Edward Livingston from James
Madison, July 10, 1822. Letters and Other writings of James Madison, in
Four Volumes, Published by Order of Congress. VOL. III, J. B. Lippincott &
Co. Philadelphia, (1865), pp 273-276. James Madison on Religious Liberty,
Robert S.Alley, Prometheus Books, Buffalo, N.Y. (1985) pp 82-83)
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SEPTEMBER 1833
"I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to
trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil
authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on
unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other
or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded
against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way
whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting
each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others".
(SOURCE OF INFORMATION: Letter written by James Madison to Rev. Jasper
Adams, September, 1833.Writings of James Madison, edited by Gaillard Hunt,
[not sure what the volume number is but have enough information presented
here to locate the letter] microform Z1236.L53, pp 484-488. )
Age Of Reason
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JUEDO-CHRISTIAN
54. Aug 6, 1:32 pm
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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:32:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: Sabbath and "blue laws"
c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
:|I always suspected that if I were a Jew, the term "Judeo-Christian"
:|might rankle me in much the same way as "Christo-Moonie" or
:|even "Christo-Mormon" would rankle the more conservative Christians.
It does rankle many of them
From: "Koshercook" <auswitzfits[delete]
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Subject: Judeo-Christian?
Date: 17 Dec 1998 20:36:52 GMT
The Rabbis of Judaism understand this just as do the leaders in the
Christian movement. Rabbi Moshe Maggal of the National Jewish Information
Service said in 1961 when the term Judeo-Christian was relatively new,
"There is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. We consider the two
religions so different that one excludes the other." (National Jewish
Information Service, 6412 W. Olympic Blvd. L.A. CA).
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Subject: Re: Judeo-Christian?
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:06:08 GMT
"ATypical" <peter...@dsinw.com> wrote:
Koshercook wrote in message <75bq14$...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
The Rabbis of Judaism understand this just as do the leaders in the
Christian movement. Rabbi Moshe Maggal of the National Jewish Information
Service said in 1961 when the term Judeo-Christian was relatively new,
"There is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. We consider the two
religions so different that one excludes the other." (National Jewish
Information Service, 6412 W. Olympic Blvd. L.A. CA).
I've always heard the adjective term "Judeo-Christian" as being applied to
ethics and morality, not religion. No doubt that the several sects of
Judaism are very different from the numerous sects of Christianity.
Hi,
I would argue that ethically and spiritually, Judaism is
closer to Islam than Christianity. The term "Judeo-Christian" in
terms of ethics REALLY means "white people".
Look at who tends to use it in a positive way, Pat
Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, etc.
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From: saleen@[delete]
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian
Subject: "Judeo-Christian" is a misnomer.
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:11:27 GMT
Why do people use the term "Judeo-Christian" as if the two religions
were somehow compatible? Judaism is anathema to Christian theology.
Judaism negates the foundational teachings and beliefs which form the
structural basis of Christianity. Judaism rejects the doctrine of the
Holy Trinity, denies the deity of Christ and does not accept salvation
through the redemptive blood of Christ. Judaism and Christianity are
not synonymous; and they damn sure do not go together.
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Comment by Bobby A-G — 7/31/2003 @ 5:59 pm
Original sin is NOT a Judeo-Christian concept – it’s solely a Christian
belief. Judaism utterly rejects the notion of Original Sin. Quoting from
JewFaq (a very useful and accurate site), “According to Judaism, a child is
born pure, completely free from sin.”
I’ve researched the history of the term Judeo-Christian here. The term
gained popularity during the Holocaust when Christians realized how
ludicrous it sounded to complain that the Nazi atrocities perpetuated
against violated Christian decency.
But Judaism and Christianity are very different religions, and it does a
disservice to both to conflate them like that.
The notion that we are all sinners is not a Jewish concept, so it’s
incorrect to refer to it as a Judeo-Christian tradition.
Please don’t tar us with that brush.
Thank you.
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Judeo-Christian, I don’t think so! By Dr. Ken Matto
http://www.scionofzion.com/judeo-christian.htm
[excerpt]
(1 Th 2:14-15 KJV) For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of
God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like
things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: {15} Who both
killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and
they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
In recent years many Christian broadcasters and pastors have begun to use
the term Judeo-Christian when referring to things like ethics, even
attaching this erroneous moniker to the ethics of the founding fathers of
this nation. It seems this description is being used at an increase rate
when speaking of things Christian. The ignorance of those Christians who
use this term to try and please the Christian Zionists and the ignorant
Christian population at large is endemic. The attempt to amalgamate
Christianity and Judaism is akin to trying to amalgamate Islam and Judaism
or Hinduism. I have never heard terms like Judeo-Islam or Judeo-Hindu. That
is because all these religions stand on their own. The attempt to force
Judaism on Christianity is another attempt by Satan to lessen the impact of
Christianity and to neutralize it. The bottom line is that Judaism is the
enemy of Christ and Christianity and is totally antithetic to Judaism.
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SOME DIFFERENCES
http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Attitudes
Kosher Sex
Level: Intermediate
Note: This page addresses issues of Jewish law that may not be
appropriate for younger readers. In places, it discusses sexual behavior in
plain and frank terms. Please exercise appropriate discretion.
Jewish Attitudes Towards Sexuality
In Jewish law, sex is not considered shameful, sinful or obscene. Sex is
not a necessary evil for the sole purpose of procreation. Although sexual
desire comes from the yetzer ra (the evil impulse), it is no more evil than
hunger or thirst, which also come from the yetzer ra. Like hunger, thirst
or other basic instincts, sexual desire must be controlled and channeled,
satisfied at the proper time, place and manner. But when sexual desire is
satisfied between a husband and wife at the proper time, out of mutual love
and desire, sex is a mitzvah.
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http://www.jewfaq.org/sex.htm#Abortion
Abortion
Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion.
Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child,
abortion is mandatory.
An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority
of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable,
and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a
life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite
bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up
within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life
is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has
emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot
choose between one human life and another.
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55. Gray Shockley Aug 13, 1:52 am
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From: Gray Shockley <grayshock...@cybercoffee.org> -
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:52:29 -0500
Local: Sat, Aug 13 2005 1:52 am
Subject: Re: Sabbath and "blue laws"
There's an intermingling which most people miss.
Jews see the "Old Testament" as their past;
fundamentalist Christians see it as their future.
Gray Shockley
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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