Sociology > Education > Re: Thomas Jefferson believed that the two most important teachings of Christ, along with love of God...were life after death and final judgment
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Re: Thomas Jefferson believed that the two most important teachings of Christ, along with love of God...were life after death and final judgment |
(Alan McIntire) wrote:
:| wrote in message news:<rd5520t4kvq80n27912rq6d5j72le67q5l@4ax.com>...
:|> (Ninure Saunders) wrote:
:|>
:|> >:|In article <bvtij1$4k$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com>, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com>
:|> >:|wrote:
:|> >:|
:|> >:|-JeThomas Jefferson was at best an adulteror, and at worst at a rapist!!
:|> >:|
:|> >:|His sexual relations with Sally Hennings, a woman who could not legally
:|> >:|say NO were outside the bounds of marriage.
:|>
:|> Ahhhhh, ahem. Sorry to rain on your parade but there is no factual
:|> evidence that Thomas Jefferson ever fathered any children other than the
:|> children he fathered with his wife or that he ever had sex with anyone
:|> other than that same wife, other than perhaps a certain white woman in
:|> France. (Even that possible relationship isn't certain.)
:| Read "American Sphinx", by Joseph J. Ellis. It's now pretty certain
:|that Jefferson DID father those Hemmings children. The Hemmings
:|passed the story on to their descendents, there were scandalmongering
:|newspaper attacks on Jefferson while he was still living, and genetic
:|testing has been performed on Hemmings descendants- A. McIntire
Look over the following then let me know if you would like to continue with
this discussion with me on this topic.
I was involved in intense and thorough research regarding this topic from
late summer 2000 to Late Spring 2001. I posted all known evidence and all
known rumors, gossip, hearsay, etc I posted copies of newspaper stories of
the period, letters from that time period etc.
I was involved in discussion and presenting evidence in everyone of the
threads listed below. if you really want to study up on this topic the URls
below will give you a very in depth education on the topic.
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From: ()
Subject: Re: I WANT TO MEET SAM SLOAN (OT)
rec.games.chess.politics, soc.history.war.us-revolution
Date: 2004-01-15 06:24:56 PST
sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|All this is covered in my book "The Slave Children of Thomas
:|Jefferson", available now at a bookstore near you.
However, your conclusions regarding any "slave children" of Thomas
Jefferson cannot be established with any certainty.
:|
:|Sam Sloan
:|http://www.samsloan.com/slaves.htm
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From:
Subject: Re: I WANT TO MEET SAM SLOAN (OT)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc,
rec.games.chess.politics, soc.history.war.us-revolution
Date: 2004-01-15 11:39:40 PST
sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:24:46 -0500, wrote:
:|
:|>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|>>:|All this is covered in my book "The Slave Children of Thomas
:|>>:|Jefferson", available now at a bookstore near you.
:|>
:|>However, your conclusions regarding any "slave children" of Thomas
:|>Jefferson cannot be established with any certainty.
:|>
:|>>:|
:|>>:|Sam Sloan
:|>>:|http://www.samsloan.com/slaves.htm
:|>
:|
:|Sure they can,
False as was shown in this very newsgroup basically from the end of Dec.
2000 through May 2001.
The information that he fathered any children other than those with his
wife is at best inconclusive at worse a joke.
Need I search up and post all the google URLs to remind you again?
You can promote your book till the cows come home but its flawed.
Take you pick where you want to begin, which thread, etc.
Some can be found in the URls below. The EVIDENCE THREADS ARE BEST
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jalison%40cox.net%2C+Hemings%2C+Jefferson++evidence&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2FF12317
[Most of the thread titles]
The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson 10/2000
T Jefferson & Sally Hemings 12/31/2001
Re: T Jefferson & Sally Hemmings 1/2001
Re: Teaching history, Sally H., T. Jefferson
Re: Essay
Re: tom and sally
Re: Rumor or fact
Re: T Jefferson & Sally Hemmings{sic}
Re: The alleged affair of T. Jefferson
OFF TOPIC: To Mr. Bell
EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
Genealogical Proof
Re: Dealing with evidence [was Re: EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
Re: DNA test
Testing Madison Hemings's words
Re: Thomas Jefferson + Sally Hemings
EVIDENCE:Hemings-Jefferson
Harriet Hemings/Pearl N Graham
Eaton Hemings family oral tradition.
Aren't We Lucky That Hemings Issue is Gone! 4/2002
Jeffferson back in the news 5/2002
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From: ()
Subject: Re: I WANT TO MEET SAM SLOAN (OT)
Newsgroups: rec.games.chess.analysis, rec.games.chess.misc,
soc.history.war.us-revolution, misc.education
Date: 2004-01-16 03:11:58 PST
sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:39:29 -0500, wrote:
:|
:|>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|>
:|>>:|On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:24:46 -0500, wrote:
:|>>:|
:|>>:|>sloan@ishipress.com (Sam Sloan) wrote:
:|>>:|>>:|All this is covered in my book "The Slave Children of Thomas
:|>>:|>>:|Jefferson", available now at a bookstore near you.
:|>>:|>
:|>>:|>However, your conclusions regarding any "slave children" of Thomas
:|>>:|>Jefferson cannot be established with any certainty.
:|>>:|>
:|>>:|>>:|
:|>>:|>>:|Sam Sloan
:|>>:|>>:|http://www.samsloan.com/slaves.htm
:|>>:|>
:|>>:|
:|>>:|Sure they can,
:|>
:|>False as was shown in this very newsgroup basically from the end of Dec.
:|>2000 through May 2001.
:|>
:|>The information that he fathered any children other than those with his
:|>wife is at best inconclusive at worse a joke.
:|>
:|>Need I search up and post all the google URLs to remind you again?
:|>You can promote your book till the cows come home but its flawed.
:|>
:|>Take you pic where you want to begin, which thread, etc.
:|>
:|>Some can be foudn in the URls below. The EVIDENCE THREADS ARE BEST
:|>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=jalison%40cox.net%2C+Hemings%2C+Jefferson++evidence&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search
:|>http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2FF12317
:|>
:|>[Most of the thread titles]
:|>
:|>The Slave Children of Thomas Jefferson 10/2000
:|>T Jefferson & Sally Hemings 12/31/2001
:|>Re: T Jefferson & Sally Hemmings 1/2001
:|>Re: Teaching history, Sally H., T. Jefferson
:|>Re: Essay
:|>Re: tom and sally
:|>Re: Rumor or fact
:|>Re: T Jefferson & Sally Hemmings{sic}
:|>Re: The alleged affair of T. Jefferson
:|>OFF TOPIC: To Mr. Bell
:|>EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
:|>Genealogical Proof
:|>Re: Dealing with evidence [was Re: EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
:|>Re: DNA test
:|>Testing Madison Hemings's words
:|>Re: Thomas Jefferson + Sally Hemings
:|> EVIDENCE:Hemings-Jefferson
:|>Harriet Hemings/Pearl N Graham
:|>Eaton Hemings family oral tradition.
:|>Aren't We Lucky That Hemings Issue is Gone! 4/2002
:|>Jeffferson back in the news 5/2002
:|
:|Sure. We have had this debate many times before, but I am willing to
:|have it again, especially since I always win this debate and you
:|always lose.
That is your problem. You don't understand what it is. It isn't a debate.
Debates which are nothing more than, argument, spinning, opinions, etc,
will not and cannot settle this issue.
What settles this issue is a hard look at all the known actual evidence,
and the weeding out of all the rumor, gossip, hearsay, etc.
It isn't about winning and losing. It is finding the valid facts. You can't
win or lose when dealing strictly with that. . You can only strip away the
nonsense exposing the valid facts.
When that is done what remains is inconclusive.
That is what remained before and that is what will remains again.
However, if you want to rerun this again I would be more than happy to
oblige you. I'm a little bored with newsgroup activity at present anyway.
Here are the threads that will be used from the past:
Genealogical Proof
EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
Re: Dealing with evidence [was Re: EVIDENCE: Hemings-Jefferson
Testing Madison Hemings's words
Harriet Hemings/Pearl N Graham
Eaton Hemings family oral tradition.
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I might add Sam Sloan backed out of any discussion
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