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Salvos in the War on Christmas |
Salvos in the War on Christmas
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/180/story_18091_1.html
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Beliefnet.com - New York,NY,USA
From: John Gibson
To: Barry Lynn
Date: December 12, 2005
Dear Barry:
Is a Christmas tree a celebration of religion?
It's an important question, and I would expect a significant exercise in
slithering from you as you respond to it. It's not that you're not a
pleasant fellow, or well-spoken, or kind and cordial. Your are, in fact,
all of those things, but you are also one of my favorite interlocutors on
this subject because of the exact trip-wire embedded in the above question.
As the leader of the Americans United for the Separation of Church and
State, you are a dogged advocate of the rule that education about religion
in schools is ok, but celebration is not. At least I think you have laid
out such a rule many times.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| Title: Re: Salvos in the War on Christmas |
13 Dec 2005 02:15:28 PM |
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Merry Christmas to you buckeye, I'm saving a lump of coal for your
Christmas stocking, that, or a wad of Juicy Fruit gum.
----
Giles Ducroy
http://geocities.com/gilesducroy/ -
http://geocities.com/gilesducroy/favorites.htm
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| Title: Re: Salvos in the War on Christmas |
13 Dec 2005 03:14:08 PM |
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:|Merry Christmas to you buckeye, I'm saving a lump of coal for your
:|Christmas stocking, that, or a wad of Juicy Fruit gum.
:|
Well, I don't recognize that myth.
The myth being that anyone that is recognized as bearing a name of any
kind of Christ was born on December 25th
Historically speaking that is pretty well known and acknowledged that no
such person was born on that date in that month
However, that time period has been celebrated as a holiday in many cultures
by many people and with many different beliefs. Interestingly enough many
of those traditions of those other beliefs were, eeerrrr shall we say
"borrowed" by Christians, at least those who celebrated such that is.
Did you know that in places in New England celebrating Christmas was
outlawed? Yep it was since it was considered a pagan celebration.
Now, I personally love the holiday. I love the decorations, the
traditions, even the music, yep even the traditional religious music
I put up decorations, inside and out, around Thanksgiving. From
Thanksgiving to New years day I listen to satellite Internet Radio
nothing but xmas music, I exchange gifts, I love planing and doing xmas
shopping.
I am celebrating a holiday, but definitely not celebrating the birth of a
man that wasn't born on that day.
Thus the term Happy holiday is quote appropriate
The fact that you are unable to use such a term says volumes about you.
The fact that you can't allow for different beliefs and speak to others in
their terms is very said
I have a brother who is a fundie.
At this time of the year I send him a xmas card. I make a point to select a
card that would speak to him in his "language," i.e. a card with a
religious mesa sage and artwork.
It doesn't hurt me to do that.
He in turn does the same. He picks and sends a card that doesn't have any
religious message or meaning.
We don't discuss it, we don't mention it, we just do it that way.
We are respecting each other, something you seem unable to do
How sad for you.
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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