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Date:	04 Mar 2006 11:10:55 AM
Object:	State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html
State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion
12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006
By John Mills, News 4
Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.
House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.
Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.
Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups,
began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.
The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect
minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their
religious beliefs.
The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only
Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."
State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri,
sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or
over the phone.
KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the
resolution, but he has yet to respond.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.

User: "fred"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	04 Mar 2006 01:54:36 PM

wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3=

f=2Ehtml

State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion

12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006

By John Mills, News 4

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.

Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.

Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-group=

The 14th A. prohibits the states from using their 10th A. protected
powers, such as the power to declare a majority religion in the state,
to abridge the personal federal rights of both Christians and
non-Christians.

page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=

256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	04 Mar 2006 03:08:36 PM

On 4 Mar 2006 11:54:36 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

States powers are limited by a federal constitution,
Freddie.
No such "rights" exist in states powers.
Remember the "wall"
It IS accepted doctrine
Even the most vicious rightwing Judge on the USSC today
said that he'd never overturn any Stare Decisis Law
that's been accepted for generations.
Besides, the Civil War ended ANY nonsense about "states
rights"
.

User: "Rich Travsky "
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion;article fails 14th A. test	05 Mar 2006 10:49:06 PM

laffs@'em-all.com wrote:

On 4 Mar 2006 11:54:36 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

States powers are limited by a federal constitution,
Freddie.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

Remember the "wall"

It IS accepted doctrine

Rightard fundies like fred do not think things through. If states can
support a religion, they could also enact their own gun laws. In fact,
they could do this to numerous bits of the Constitution, like
let the state do unreasonable search and seizures.

Even the most vicious rightwing Judge on the USSC today
said that he'd never overturn any Stare Decisis Law
that's been accepted for generations.

Besides, the Civil War ended ANY nonsense about "states
rights"

User: "fred"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	04 Mar 2006 11:55:27 PM

laffs@'em-all.com wrote:

On 4 Mar 2006 11:54:36 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

States powers are limited by a federal constitution,
Freddie.

The Constitution limits both the powers of the States as evidenced by
Section 10 of Article 1, for example, and also the powers of the
federal government as evidenced by the 1st A.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

You evidently ignored the extract from Jefferson's writings in my
initial post. Jefferson showed how the 1st and 10th Amendments work
together to reserve certain powers uniquely for the States:
"3. Resolved that it is true as a general principle and is also
expressly declared by one of the amendments to the constitution that
'the powers not delegated to the US. by the constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively
or to the people': and that no power over the freedom of religion,
freedom of speech, or freedom of the press being delegated to the US.
by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, all lawful
powers respecting the same did of right remain, & were reserved, to the
states or the people..." --Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions 1798.

Remember the "wall"

Not only does Jefferson's "wall" not appear anywhere in the
Constitution, but Jefferson's writings clearly show that the wall
exists only for the federal government, not for the state governments.

It IS accepted doctrine

You stubbornly continue to ignore that "accepted doctrine" is no more a
part of the Constitution than your "wall" is. "Acceped doctrine"
concerning so-called absolute church-state separation amounts to
nothing more than corrupt USSC Justices who have used unconstitutional
case precedents to usurp legislative power.

Even the most vicious rightwing Judge on the USSC today
said that he'd never overturn any Stare Decisis Law
that's been accepted for generations.

Article 5 of the Constitution shows that the people, through their
representatives, will ultimately judge the work of the judges. Again,
Lincoln warned us about corrupt judges:
"We the People are the rightful master of both congress and the courts
- not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who
pervert the Constitution." --Abraham Lincoln: Political debates between
Lincoln and Douglas, 1858

Besides, the Civil War ended ANY nonsense about "states
rights"

Only in your fantasies.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	05 Mar 2006 12:02:28 PM

On 4 Mar 2006 21:55:27 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

The Constitution limits both the powers of the States as evidenced by
Section 10 of Article 1, for example, and also the powers of the
federal government as evidenced by the 1st A.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

You evidently ignored the extract from Jefferson's writings in my
initial post.

Jeffersons "writings" have NO legal authority, Freddie.
What IS your problem?
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	06 Mar 2006 11:14:59 AM

In article <1s9m021e6l7o7evtcpavudqi8dpsp3n10m@4ax.com> laffs@'em-all.com writes:

On 4 Mar 2006 21:55:27 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

The Constitution limits both the powers of the States as evidenced by
Section 10 of Article 1, for example, and also the powers of the
federal government as evidenced by the 1st A.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

You evidently ignored the extract from Jefferson's writings in my
initial post.

Jeffersons "writings" have NO legal authority, Freddie.

What IS your problem?

Oh, he's clinging to the fallacy that because Jefferson was
quoted in one famous separation case, then the Court ruled
as it did BECAUSE of Jefferson's words.
Which of course utterly ignores the many pages of opinion which
actually did discuss the reasoning behind the decision.
-- cary
.

User: "fred"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	05 Mar 2006 01:09:19 PM

laffs@'em-all.com wrote:

On 4 Mar 2006 21:55:27 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

The Constitution limits both the powers of the States as evidenced by
Section 10 of Article 1, for example, and also the powers of the
federal government as evidenced by the 1st A.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

You evidently ignored the extract from Jefferson's writings in my
initial post.

Jeffersons "writings" have NO legal authority, Freddie.

How many times have I already told you to take your complaints about
the legality of Jefferson's writings to your crooked USSC Justice
friends? After all, they're the ones who used Jefferson's words to
help justify their treasonous interpretation of the establishment
clause in the Everson opinion.

What IS your problem?

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion; article fails 14th A. test	05 Mar 2006 07:51:58 PM

On 5 Mar 2006 11:09:19 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

laffs@'em-all.com wrote:

On 4 Mar 2006 21:55:27 -0800, "fred"
<clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:

The Constitution limits both the powers of the States as evidenced by
Section 10 of Article 1, for example, and also the powers of the
federal government as evidenced by the 1st A.

No such "rights" exist in states powers.

You evidently ignored the extract from Jefferson's writings in my
initial post.

Jeffersons "writings" have NO legal authority, Freddie.

Jeffersons "wall" is universal, freddie
It could have been Alfred E. Newman that said it.
It makes no difference that Thurgood Marshall wrote
"separate but equal".
The PRINCIPLE is universal.
Jeez, Freddie
You're dense.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 03:18:32 PM

wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3=

f=2Ehtml

Anyone who objects to this has not the right definition of
Christianity
or religion. Saoudi Arabia would not tolerate any other religion
in its kingdom because it understands what religion is for.
If a hindou object to killing cow in America because his religion
forbid it, would you go along with? Here in America I am sure you
would
not. But In India you would tolerate it because you would be the
minority
and that would also be unwise of you to impose your standard.
It is for the hindou to accept America way of life including, America
religious precepts and holiday. It is also for the Hindou to
practice his religion in private and not the other way around.
If any Hindou does not like what I said, let him be deported.
TAHN KYOU O LORD JESUS FOR MISSOURI

page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	05 Mar 2006 01:21:20 PM

"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

:|buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
:|> http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html
:|> State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion
:|>
:|> 12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006
:|>
:|> By John Mills, News 4
:|>
:|> Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
:|> Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.
:|>
:|> House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.
:|>
:|> Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.
:|>
:|> Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups,
:|> began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.
:|>
:|> The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect
:|> minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their
:|> religious beliefs.
:|
:|
:| Anyone who objects to this has not the right definition of
:|Christianity
:| or religion. Saoudi Arabia would not tolerate any other religion
:| in its kingdom because it understands what religion is for.
:| If a hindou object to killing cow in America because his religion
:| forbid it, would you go along with? Here in America I am sure you
:|would
:| not. But In India you would tolerate it because you would be the
:|minority
:| and that would also be unwise of you to impose your standard.
:| It is for the hindou to accept America way of life including, America
:| religious precepts and holiday. It is also for the Hindou to
:| practice his religion in private and not the other way around.
:| If any Hindou does not like what I said, let him be deported.
:|
:| TAHN KYOU O LORD JESUS FOR MISSOURI

http://www.moga.mo.gov/const/A01005.HTM
Missouri Constitution
Article I
BILL OF RIGHTS
Section 5
August 28, 2005
Religious freedom--liberty of conscience and belief--limitations.
Section 5. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship
Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; that no
human authority can control or interfere with the rights of conscience;
that no person shall, on account of his religious persuasion or belief, be
rendered ineligible to any public office or trust or profit in this state,
be disqualified from testifying or serving as a juror, or be molested in
his person or estate; but this section shall not be construed to excuse
acts of licentiousness, nor to justify practices inconsistent with the good
order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others.
Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, § 5.
(1953) Evidence reviewed and held to establish that schools taught by
nuns of religious order were not in fact free public schools and therefore
not entitled to support from public funds. Berghorn v. Reorganized School
Dist. No. 8, 364 Mo. 121, 260 S.W.2d 573.
(1973) Payment of taxes by parent who sends his children to religiously
oriented schools does not interfere with his constitutional right to select
such a school for his children. McDonough v. Aylward (Mo.), 500 S.W.2d 721.
(1976) Denial to members of a religious society of whom only one was a
priest and the others were laymen who did not have the religious ministry
as a primary and regular vocation, of an occupancy permit to occupy an
existing residence as their home in an area zoned single family residential
was not a denial of their constitutional rights under the
freedom-of-worship and due process clauses of the Missouri Constitution.
Association for Educational Development v. Hayward (Mo.), 533 S.W.2d 579.

:|> ***************************************************************
:|> You are invited to check out the following:
:|>
:|> The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
:|>
:|> American Theocrats - Past and Present
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
:|>
:|> The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
:|>
:|> [and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
:|> Church and State in general, listed below]
:|>
:|> HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
:|> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
:|>
:|> [Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
:|> all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
:|>
:|> ***************************************************************
:|> . . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
:|> respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
:|> take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
:|> page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
:|> 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
:|> Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
:|> . . .
:|> ****************************************************************
:|> USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
:|>
:|> "You pilot always into an unknown future;
:|> facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
:|>
:|> That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
:|> many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
:|>
:|> It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
:|> plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
:|> almost every media turn.
:|>
:|> *****************************************************************
:|> THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
:|> SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
:|>
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
:|> ****************************************************************

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	05 Mar 2006 05:30:04 PM

wrote:

"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

wrote:
:|> http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d=

361c3f.html

:|> State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion
:|>
:|> 12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006
:|>
:|> By John Mills, News 4
:|>
:|> Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would =

name

:|> Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.
:|>
:|> House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislatu=

re.

:|>
:|> Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.
:|>
:|> Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-=

groups,

:|> began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.
:|>
:|> The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not p=

rotect

:|> minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express the=

order, peace or safety of the state, or with the rights of others.

You are saying that Missouri Constitution was not Apostolic?
I do agree because this is not what the Apostles taught regarding
God and the Nations and particulary the Gentiles nations.
I understand that there is need to line up their Constitution with
the Apostles teaching and make it into an Apostolic Constitution
Of the State of Missouri.
This is indeed an exciting propject

Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, =A7 5.

(1953) Evidence reviewed and held to establish that schools taught by
nuns of religious order were not in fact free public schools and therefore
not entitled to support from public funds. Berghorn v. Reorganized School
Dist. No. 8, 364 Mo. 121, 260 S.W.2d 573.

(1973) Payment of taxes by parent who sends his children to religious=

oriented schools does not interfere with his constitutional right to sele=

such a school for his children. McDonough v. Aylward (Mo.), 500 S.W.2d 72=

1=2E

(1976) Denial to members of a religious society of whom only one was a
priest and the others were laymen who did not have the religious ministry
as a primary and regular vocation, of an occupancy permit to occupy an
existing residence as their home in an area zoned single family residenti=

was not a denial of their constitutional rights under the
freedom-of-worship and due process clauses of the Missouri Constitution.
Association for Educational Development v. Hayward (Mo.), 533 S.W.2d 579.

on of

:|> Church and State in general, listed below]
:|>
:|> HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
:|> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
:|>
:|> [Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members=

from

:|> all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
:|>
:|> ***************************************************************
:|> . . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no =

law

:|> respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. =

Words

:|> take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is=

why "a

:|> page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. =

Eisner,

:|> 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J=

..).

:|> Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1=

992)

:|> . . .
:|> ****************************************************************
:|> USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
:|>
:|> "You pilot always into an unknown future;
:|> facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
:|>
:|> That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a go=

:|> many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
:|>
:|> It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
:|> plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
:|> almost every media turn.
:|>
:|> *****************************************************************
:|> THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
:|> SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
:|>
:|> http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
:|> ****************************************************************

User: "Gray Shockley"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 02:20:20 AM

On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:30:04 -0600,

wrote
(in article <1141601404.130141.158160@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <

> wrote:

buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c
3f.html
State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion

12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006

By John Mills, News 4

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.

Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.

Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other
watch-groups,
began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.

The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not
protect
minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their
religious beliefs.

Even though it directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus?
But Jesus appears to be no part of your (and your little fellows who are also
directly disobeying what Jesus said)
You appear to be of the political in-group who believes that Jesus would
bless your work if He were here and that everything He said 2,000 years ago
has to be updated to your (and yourin) political agendas.
You better hope there isn't an afterlife, Porky.
Gray Shockley
------------------------
In a many dark hour I've been thinkin' about this,
That Jesus Christ Was betrayed by a kiss;
But I can't think for you, You'll have to decide,
Whether Judas Iscariot Had God on his side.
- Bob Dylan

Source: Const. of 1875, Art. II, ¤ 5.

(1953) Evidence reviewed and held to establish that schools taught by
nuns of religious order were not in fact free public schools and therefore
not entitled to support from public funds. Berghorn v. Reorganized School
Dist. No. 8, 364 Mo. 121, 260 S.W.2d 573.

(1973) Payment of taxes by parent who sends his children to religiously
oriented schools does not interfere with his constitutional right to select
such a school for his children. McDonough v. Aylward (Mo.), 500 S.W.2d 721.

(1976) Denial to members of a religious society of whom only one was a
priest and the others were laymen who did not have the religious ministry
as a primary and regular vocation, of an occupancy permit to occupy an
existing residence as their home in an area zoned single family residential
was not a denial of their constitutional rights under the
freedom-of-worship and due process clauses of the Missouri Constitution.
Association for Educational Development v. Hayward (Mo.), 533 S.W.2d 579.

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation
of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS á Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members
from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.
Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is
why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote

"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"

That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.

It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.

*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************

User: "Gray Shockley"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 03:57:17 PM

On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 15:18, anonymous poster wrote:

buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.h
tml
State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion

12:28 AM CST on Friday, March 3, 2006

By John Mills, News 4

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

House Concurrent Resolution 13 has is pending in the state legislature.

Many Missouri residents had not heard about the bill until Thursday.

Karen Aroesty of the Anti-defamation league, along with other watch-groups,
began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.

The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect
minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their
religious beliefs.

Why does it seem that the less educated, the more religious?

It is for the hindou to accept America way of life including, America
religious precepts and holiday. It is also for the Hindou to
practice his religion in private and not the other way around.
If any Hindou does not like what I said, let him be deported.

Ah! "Let him be deported."
Sounds as if you read and (possibly) obey the Wacks in the "Old Testament"
and the "New Testament" wack, Paul the Latent, but that you have no need for
Jesus and you - whether you realize it or not - reject Jesus.
There is nothing "Christ-like" in your message.
It appears that there is nothing "Christ-like" in your life.
Gray Shockley
------------------------
You who build these altars now
to sacrifice these children,
you must not do it anymore.
A scheme is not a vision
and you never have been tempted
by a demon or a god.
- Leonard Cohen

TAHN KYOU O LORD JESUS FOR MISSOURI

The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only
Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."

State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri,
sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or
over the phone.

KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the
resolution, but he has yet to respond.

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User: "FlameStrike"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Missouri=92s?= official religion	04 Mar 2006 04:38:33 PM

In article <ffij02h5r3ikvkkdhnm48ovavugvjdsc3n@4ax.com>, buckeye-
elo@nospam.net says...

State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion

I almost don't know whether to hope this passes, just so I can see the
Constitutional court cases arising from it, and find out where the various
courts stand in their interpretations of the Constitution, or whether to hope
is doesn't pass, allowing intelligence to win out over idiocy for once.
Should be entertaining either way, though.
--
FlameStrike
"My honor is my life!"
.

User: "wjyoung"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 07:03:27 PM

FlameStrike wrote:

In article <ffij02h5r3ikvkkdhnm48ovavugvjdsc3n@4ax.com>, buckeye-
elo@nospam.net says...

State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion

I hope the bill passes, the Supreme Court strikes it down as being an
establishment of religion, and the State refuses to repeal the Bill and
continues to enforce it in what ever material way their law allows. I
want to see if Congress will violate the First Amendment to do anything
about it.
.

User: "Josh Rosenbluth"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 06:12:40 PM

FlameStrike wrote:

In article <ffij02h5r3ikvkkdhnm48ovavugvjdsc3n@4ax.com>, buckeye-
elo@nospam.net says...

State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri’s official religion

If it goes to court, I predict the law will be invalidated without
SCOTUS granting cert (not all that entertaining).
Josh Rosenbluth
.

User: ""
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 11:38:35 AM

The left would have epileptic panic attacks if this came to pass, but
would all bow down towards Mecca five times per day if Islam was made
the official religion. They're adorable, aren't they?
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3=

f=2Ehtml

began a letter writing and email campaign to stop the resolution.

The resolution would recognize "a Christian god," and it would not protect
minority religions, but "protect the majority's right to express their
religious beliefs.

The resolution also recognizes that, "a greater power exists," and only
Christianity receives what the resolution calls, "justified recognition."

State representative David Sater of Cassville in southwestern Missouri,
sponsored the resolution, but he has refused to talk about it on camera or
over the phone.

KMOV also contacted Gov. Matt Blunt's office to see where he stands on the
resolution, but he has yet to respond.

***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =

page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=

User: "Scott Richter"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 12:27:56 PM

<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote:

The left would have epileptic panic attacks if this came to pass, but
would all bow down towards Mecca five times per day if Islam was made
the official religion. They're adorable, aren't they?

More adorable than your failed attempt at mimicking Ann Coulter...
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 11:43:24 AM

There's a man I know that died for me
He's the greatest man in History
Praise Jesus Christ
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:

http://www.kmov.com/localnews/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3=

f=2Ehtml

page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=

Ken Clifton
Author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html
.

User: "libertad"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 11:48:06 AM

"Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would
name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion"
More emotional ***** from the blight wing.
.

User: "Midjis"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 11:49:09 AM

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

There goes the Constitution. Hello, Theocratic States of America...
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 12:00:02 PM

Midjis wrote:

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

There goes the Constitution. Hello, Theocratic States of America...

A thought, Midjis...
When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy? I agree democracy is a
protection against evil, but when evil is in power and uses democracy
to defend itself from God, is God pleased with that?
Ken Clifton
Author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html
.

User: "Olrik"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 11:59:33 PM

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Midjis wrote:

Missouri legislators in Jefferson City considered a bill that would name
Christianity the state's official "majority" religion.

There goes the Constitution. Hello, Theocratic States of America...

lol
Are you for real?

Ken Clifton
Author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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User: "Midjis"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 04:50:54 PM

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.
That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	04 Mar 2006 09:31:46 PM

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice. If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to
the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.
Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 11:10:24 AM

In article <1141529506.178112.276160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice.

And that only recently -- this was certainly not the norm during
most of European history. Even between the various flavors of
Christianity.
-- cary
If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to

the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.

Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

User: "Masked Avenger"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	05 Mar 2006 05:37:33 AM

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice. If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to
the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.

Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

my goodness you christians are a stupid ignorant lot, ever been to India
( largest Hindu nation )or Indonesia ( largest Muslim nation )? No
restrictions on practising 'other' religions, including Christianity
....... although they mostly treat christianity as the Joke it is
......... and ignore it ....oh....and the USA is NOT a Christian nation,
it has many different religions, NONE of which are sanctioned by law
....... yet ........ not counting Missouri ......
I agree that Evangelists are seriously discouraged in some of these non
christian countries, but only because they are such 'in-your-face'
arseholes .....
--
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 08:04:28 AM

Masked Avenger wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice. If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to
the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.

Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

So, you write fiction too? Obviously you know nothing of either of
those lands, if you think that Christians have the right to express
there faith there.
Kenny Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	06 Mar 2006 11:48:02 AM

In article <1141653868.607522.91650@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

Masked Avenger wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice. If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to
the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.

Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

So, you write fiction too? Obviously you know nothing of either of
those lands, if you think that Christians have the right to express
there faith there.

You are saying that Christians cannot actively practice their religion
in India or in Indonesia?
Five minutes with Google appears to support his contention, not yours.
-- cary
.

User: "Masked Avenger"
Title: Re: State bill proposes Christianity be Missouri's official religion	07 Mar 2006 04:30:58 AM

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Masked Avenger wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

Midjis wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:

When Jesus returns, will it be a democracy?

I suggest that we cross that bridge when we come to it. UNTIL then, it
remains merely the belief of a single religious group, who certainly have
every right to tell us all about it, and point out the error of our ways.
But until that day, we who do not believe in any Second Coming have every
right to ignore the advice.

That is as far as it should go. That group does not and should not have
the right to have legislation declaring them the 'right' religion. Would
you be so keen to see such a bill made law if the religion in question was
Hinduism, for example?

Oddly enough, it is only in Christian lands that you find religious
choice. If you go to Muslim countires or Hindu countries (to point to
the religion you mentioned), you find all other faiths banned from
evangelism and conversion.

Ken Clifton
-author of the Red Letter Stories
http://www.christianjedi.com/redletterstories.html

So, you write fiction too? Obviously you know nothing of either of
those lands, if you think that Christians have the right to express
there faith there.

Kenny Clifton

You've just proven my first statement, you Kenny, are both stupid AND
ignorant .......... yes, I have been to both countries, no, I don't
write fiction. I know a great deal about both countries as they are very
close to where I live and I have friends in both countries. It seems
ignorance and stupidity are pre-requisites to be a Christian like you.
I'm guessing 'you' have never been to either country, yet you have the
gall to assume that of me, and I have been there.
There are plenty of Christians, Buddhists, and numerous other religions
in both countries, all free to practice their respective religions.
I suggest you pull your head out of your arse before you start making
sweeping accusations like these next time ........
--
Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
.............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
- A. Einstein
.

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