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13 Oct 2005 12:46:24 PM |
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Sunday's coming |
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1134&dept_id=177706&newsid=15374462&PAG=461&rfi=9
Sunday's coming Oct. 13
When I was studying for the ministry a favorite line about the church was,
"In, but not of, the world." It was a line not too much honored in
practice, however, either then or now. The church has had a love-hate
relationship with secular government ever since the days of the Emperor
Constantine. We love the state when it is on our side - as, for example,
when it exempts our property from taxation - and hate it when it isn't, as
when it hands down decrees as to what may or may not be done in public
schools. Just about everybody is for separation of church and state - some
of the time.
One thing the subject has always been good for is argument. The Pharisees
tried to trap Jesus into a church-state controversy, but it was as phony an
argument then as it is today. The real issue is always whether you are
giving God his due. If God has you, he is willing for Caesar to have some
of your money. God can spare it.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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| User: "The Fool" |
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| Title: Re: Sunday's coming |
13 Oct 2005 03:52:13 PM |
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"And may that being who is supreme over all, the Patron of Order, the
fountain of justice, and the Protector in all ages of the world of
virtuous liberty, continue His blessing upon this nation and its
government and give it all possible success and duration consistent
with the ends of His Providence."
2nd President John Adams praying in His official inaugural address. It
should be noted a teacher would be sued for saying the same words in
their official capacity.
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=3D1134&dept_id=3D177706&newsid=3D1=
5374462&PAG=3D461&rfi=3D9
Sunday's coming Oct. 13
When I was studying for the ministry a favorite line about the church was,
"In, but not of, the world." It was a line not too much honored in
practice, however, either then or now. The church has had a love-hate
relationship with secular government ever since the days of the Emperor
Constantine. We love the state when it is on our side - as, for example,
when it exempts our property from taxation - and hate it when it isn't, as
when it hands down decrees as to what may or may not be done in public
schools. Just about everybody is for separation of church and state - some
of the time.
One thing the subject has always been good for is argument. The Pharisees
tried to trap Jesus into a church-state controversy, but it was as phony =
an
argument then as it is today. The real issue is always whether you are
giving God his due. If God has you, he is willing for Caesar to have some
of your money. God can spare it.
**************************************************************
Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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Ken Clifton
Everfresh Radio and Books
http://www.geocities.com/writingken
http://www.lulu.com/writingken
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Sunday's coming |
15 Oct 2005 09:28:20 AM |
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"The Fool" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|"And may that being who is supreme over all, the Patron of Order, the
:|fountain of justice, and the Protector in all ages of the world of
:|virtuous liberty, continue His blessing upon this nation and its
:|government and give it all possible success and duration consistent
:|with the ends of His Providence."
:|
:|2nd President John Adams praying in His official inaugural address. It
:|should be noted a teacher would be sued for saying the same words in
:|their official capacity.
:|
I take it this is suppose to mean something profound?
I am curious how you feel it relates to what follows or are you pulling a
barclay, i.e. just using anything as a launching pad to post whatever it is
you feel you need to post to somehow counter what i posted? Is that it?
:|buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
:|> http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1134&dept_id=177706&newsid=15374462&PAG=461&rfi=9
:|>
:|> Sunday's coming Oct. 13
:|>
:|> When I was studying for the ministry a favorite line about the church was,
:|> "In, but not of, the world." It was a line not too much honored in
:|> practice, however, either then or now. The church has had a love-hate
:|> relationship with secular government ever since the days of the Emperor
:|> Constantine. We love the state when it is on our side - as, for example,
:|> when it exempts our property from taxation - and hate it when it isn't, as
:|> when it hands down decrees as to what may or may not be done in public
:|> schools. Just about everybody is for separation of church and state - some
:|> of the time.
:|>
:|> One thing the subject has always been good for is argument. The Pharisees
:|> tried to trap Jesus into a church-state controversy, but it was as phony an
:|> argument then as it is today. The real issue is always whether you are
:|> giving God his due. If God has you, he is willing for Caesar to have some
:|> of your money. God can spare it.
**************************************************************
Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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