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05 Dec 2005 03:59:53 AM |
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Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
Taking the Christ out of Christmas?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10297701/
[excerpt]
MSNBC - USA
Is there a war against Christmas? The ACLU and a lot of other people have
been trying to take Christ out of Christmas for years. At this time of
year, many people will believe that that's a real concern. Friday night,
in Newport News, Va., 8,000 people are expected to show up for the town's
Christmas celebration, except they are calling it that. They're calling it
Hollydazzle. And instead of lighting the 40-foot Christmas tree, Newport
News officials are going to be lighting, get this, the tree of
illumination.
The events are also going to include, of course, Frosty the Snowman,
make-your-own-snow globes, and that traditional Christmas fair, Mr. and
Mrs. Mouse.
Many Americans are fed up with public celebrations that are taking Christ
out of Christmas, and they believe that their faith is under attack, but is
it the proper thing to do?
.... I certainly do. If it's cheap, that cheapness has been a part of
American culture for 200 years. You talk about the separation of church and
state. ...
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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
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[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
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all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
05 Dec 2005 01:39:42 PM |
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<buckeye-ELO@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ms38p11045fn7bpf3d8v003dsrt0qbm1pf@4ax.com...
Is there a war against Christmas?
No, there is not.
Sleep well.
The ACLU and a lot of other people have been trying to take Christ out of
Christmas for years.
No, the ACLU has not been trying to do this, nor has anyone else.
Many Americans are fed up with public celebrations that are taking Christ
out of Christmas
Many Americans are psychotic wack-jobs, too.
and they believe that their faith is under attack
Well, it isn't. Sleep well.
--
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
08 Dec 2005 02:40:27 AM |
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 13:39:42 -0600, Joseph Welch wrote:
<buckeye-ELO@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ms38p11045fn7bpf3d8v003dsrt0qbm1pf@4ax.com...
Is there a war against Christmas?
No, there is not.
Sleep well.
The ACLU and a lot of other people have been trying to take Christ out of
Christmas for years.
No, the ACLU has not been trying to do this, nor has anyone else.
Many Americans are fed up with public celebrations that are taking Christ
out of Christmas
Many Americans are psychotic wack-jobs, too.
I think we know some of the same people.
Gray Shockley
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... a government committed to a policy of
improving the nation by improving the condition
of some of the individuals will eventually run
into trouble in attempting to distinguish between
a national good and a chocolate sundae.
- E. B. White
and they believe that their faith is under attack
Well, it isn't. Sleep well.
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| User: "human" |
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| Title: Re: Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
08 Dec 2005 05:13:50 PM |
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Many Americans are fed up with public celebrations that
are taking Christ out of Christmas
Who is sending out holiday cards?
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HAVE PRESIDENT BUSH, FIRST LADY AND REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE
JOINED `WAR ON CHRISTMAS'?
Americans United Asks Jerry Falwell Why He Hasn't Objected To White
House's Holiday Greetings
The Rev. Jerry Falwell and his Religious Right cohorts have been
complaining for weeks now about government agencies and store clerks
saying "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" but it looks like
Falwell forgot to tell President George W. Bush, First Lady Laura Bush
and the Republican National Committee about the preferred religiously
correct greeting.
The White House's 2005 holiday card is just out, and it doesn't
mention the word "Christmas" once.
The card, mailed under the auspices of the Republican National
Committee and signed by the president and his wife, reads, "With best
wishes for a holiday season of hope and happiness 2005." It also
includes a passage from the Old Testament Book of Psalms.
The front cover is an artist's rendition of the White House and
grounds covered with snow while the presidential pets, two dogs and a
cat, frolic on the lawn. It contains no religious symbolism.
"Have President Bush and the first lady joined the so-called war on
Christmas?" asked the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of
Americans United. "Where are the howls of protest from Jerry Falwell?
When will he stand up and save Christmas from this mean-spirited,
anti-God attack?"
Lynn noted that Laura Bush piled on Monday during a White House
ceremony unveiling a Christmas tree remarking, "Well, `all things
bright and beautiful' is the theme this year. I think it will be
really bright and beautiful with this fabulous tree. But thank you all
very much. Happy holidays."
Asserted Lynn, "Laura Bush said, `Happy Holidays.' This is
intolerable! Where is Jerry Falwell?"
Two weeks before Halloween, Falwell attorneys called a press
conference and threatened to sue public schools and government
agencies that fail to acknowledge Christmas to Falwell's liking. They
have also been complaining about department stores and malls using
"Happy Holidays" signs and greetings.
Most recently, Falwell went ballistic when the city of Boston issued a
press release announcing the arrival of its "holiday tree." Fox News
Channel commentator Bill O'Reilly has jumped on the bandwagon, carping
nearly every night about the alleged "war on Christmas."
Lynn noted that Falwell and O'Reilly have yet to say one word about
the president and first lady's generic holiday greetings.
"Falwell calls his Christmas crusade `Friend or Foe,'" Lynn remarked.
"He believes you either agree with him or you're an enemy. When is he
going to take on his latest foes the president and Mrs. Bush?"
Added Lynn, "In all seriousness, I think Falwell ought to be ashamed
of himself. He's using the season of peace and love to advance his
narrow-minded political agenda, stir up community hostility and raise
money. Just when I think he can go no lower, he surprises me and does.
"And for the record," Lynn continued, "Americans United has never
attacked Christmas. There is no war on Christmas. Americans are
perfectly free to observe Christmas if they choose to do so. However,
we do insist that government obey the Constitution and refrain from
promoting religion."
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"History tells us that how much we want to believe a proposition is
not a reliable guide as to whether it is true." -- Steven Pinker
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
06 Dec 2005 08:23:40 AM |
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"Susierenee" <prjeri@clear.net.nz> wrote:
:|buckeye-ELO@cox.net wrote:
:|> Taking the Christ out of Christmas?
:|> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10297701/
:|> [excerpt]
:|> MSNBC - USA
:|>
:|> Is there a war against Christmas? The ACLU and a lot of other people have
:|> been trying to take Christ out of Christmas for years. At this time of
:|> year, many people will believe that that's a real concern.
:|
:|And it seems to me, Buckeye, that you're one of them.
:|
:|I've been watching your posts with all this angst about how
:|Christianity is being persecuted in numerous ways, and I just don't see
:|it.
Hehehehe,
Sorry, but anyone who thinks for a microsecond that I think Christianity is
being persecuted doesn't know how to read, has poor reading comprehension
or doesn't read all there is to read.
Here,, educated yourself
What even if only some of what follows and come back and tell me I think
Christianity is being persecuted.
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Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR alt.education
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Taking the Christ out of Christmas? |
05 Dec 2005 05:35:02 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 04:59:53 -0500, wrote:
Taking the Christ out of Christmas?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10297701/
[excerpt]
MSNBC - USA
Is there a war against Christmas? The ACLU and a lot of other people have
been trying to take Christ out of Christmas for years. At this time of
year, many people will believe that that's a real concern. Friday night,
in Newport News, Va., 8,000 people are expected to show up for the town's
Christmas celebration, except they are calling it that.
Now that the christians know, guess who won't show up for it.
duke
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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