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Sociology > Education |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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04 Feb 2008 10:09:01 PM |
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Teaching Kids to Save Money |
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Rowley" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 02:53:03 AM |
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IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 05:06:07 AM |
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On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Rowley" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 12:09:34 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
But if you want to check for yourself - feel free to dig through the
state's TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills)
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/teks/
Or better yet, this pamplet;
LEARNING STANDARDS FOR TEXAS CHILDREN
A SUMMARY FOR PARENTS
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/curriculum/LearningStandards.pdf
Guess I'm in disagreement with NEA Today.
Martin
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 12:28:09 PM |
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On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
But if you want to check for yourself - feel free to dig through the
state's TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills)
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/teks/
Or better yet, this pamplet;
LEARNING STANDARDS FOR TEXAS CHILDREN
A SUMMARY FOR PARENTShttp://www.tea.state.tx.us/curriculum/LearningStandards.pdf
Guess I'm in disagreement with NEA Today.
Martin
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "teachrmama" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 03:10:53 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they can
function on a standardized test. (The standardized tests are supposedly in
place to make sure the standards are being met) You will find that there
are not enough hours in the day to teach to the academic standards, let
alone adding in all the other things you think the students might need to be
prepared for the real world. Not that it's not a worthy goal--but when the
rubber meets the road, you will find that time does not permit every worthy
goal--you have to prioritize, and academics comes first, because that is
what you are paid to teach.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 05:29:09 PM |
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On Feb 5, 9:10 am, "teachrmama" <teachrm...@iwon.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they can
function on a standardized test.
You are preaching to the choir. Apparently, you didn't read the posts
before attacking (down girl). Go back and read the discussion where I
said we should teach kids to save money and help them succeed in life,
and Rowley said that (success in life) wasn't the goal of a teacher.
BTW, want to comment on the thread topic? Do you support teaching
kids to save money (agreeing with the NEA article) or not?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "teachrmama" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
06 Feb 2008 04:26:12 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44de3940-96b1-4dac-b663-e0f78a021dc4@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 9:10 am, "teachrmama" <teachrm...@iwon.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home
by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them
for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me
the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to
pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full
time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required
to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they
can
function on a standardized test.
You are preaching to the choir. Apparently, you didn't read the posts
before attacking (down girl).
I didn't attack you, Kenneth. I said that your comment about paid
babysitters was uncalled for.
Go back and read the discussion where I
said we should teach kids to save money and help them succeed in life,
and Rowley said that (success in life) wasn't the goal of a teacher.
It isn't, Kenneth. Teaching them the academics that they need to succeed in
life is the goal of teacher. We don't write the curriculum--but we are
required to teach it.
BTW, want to comment on the thread topic? Do you support teaching
kids to save money (agreeing with the NEA article) or not?
Actually, I do not have the power to teach children to save money. In math
class I can demonstrate the power of saving during math lessons. In social
studies, I can point out how those who saved fared better than those who did
not. But to actually teach it as a subject? I have no idea where I would
fit another subject into my already overcrowded day. (Not that it is a
subject I would teach to kindergartners) Along the same lines, I think it
is extremely important that children know their phone numbers. I don't
teach my kindergartners their phone numbers because I would have to do it
one on one and I simply do not have time to do so. But I do send home a
paper that suggests that parets teach this important info (and other
important individual info as well). Some things simply have to be left to
the parents, even though we know that some will not follow through. Schools
cannot possibly take up every bit of slack that is left by less-than-optimum
parenting.
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| User: "Rowley" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
06 Feb 2008 12:33:36 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 5, 9:10 am, "teachrmama" <teachrm...@iwon.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they can
function on a standardized test.
You are preaching to the choir. Apparently, you didn't read the posts
before attacking (down girl). Go back and read the discussion where I
said we should teach kids to save money and help them succeed in life,
and Rowley said that (success in life) wasn't the goal of a teacher.
I also posted a link to the Texas Educational Agency's web site with the
state's TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills) - so that you could
browse them - assuming you did so, did you find a section that pertained
to "succeed in life"? Just curious - I don't recall there being one, but
maybe I missed it.
Martin
BTW, want to comment on the thread topic? Do you support teaching
kids to save money (agreeing with the NEA article) or not?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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05 Feb 2008 05:32:57 PM |
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On Feb 5, 9:10 am, "teachrmama" <teachrm...@iwon.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they can
function on a standardized test. (The standardized tests are supposedly in
place to make sure the standards are being met) You will find that there
are not enough hours in the day to teach to the academic standards, let
alone adding in all the other things you think the students might need to be
prepared for the real world. Not that it's not a worthy goal--but when the
rubber meets the road, you will find that time does not permit every worthy
goal--you have to prioritize, and academics comes first, because that is
what you are paid to teach.
BTW, I note you are home again and not at a school. Kid still sick?
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "teachrmama" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
06 Feb 2008 04:27:28 AM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:92a85025-20dd-49e9-8dbf-6598bc21cde4@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 9:10 am, "teachrmama" <teachrm...@iwon.com> wrote:
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:e762ba65-ede5-4a1f-9f91-f5cf6a54b41e@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home
by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them
for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me
the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to
pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students). That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn. After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
That was uncalled for, Kenneth. Once you get into the classroom full
time,
you will find out that there are academic standards that you are required
to
have your children meet. The standards are in place so that when the
students walk out of high school for the last time they can read , write,
and do the math that they need to function in society. Not so that they
can
function on a standardized test. (The standardized tests are supposedly
in
place to make sure the standards are being met) You will find that there
are not enough hours in the day to teach to the academic standards, let
alone adding in all the other things you think the students might need to
be
prepared for the real world. Not that it's not a worthy goal--but when
the
rubber meets the road, you will find that time does not permit every
worthy
goal--you have to prioritize, and academics comes first, because that is
what you are paid to teach.
BTW, I note you are home again and not at a school. Kid still sick?
Uh, I posted that post before we left for school this morning. We are in
different time zones.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
05 Feb 2008 02:06:26 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test.
No That is what he was HIRED to do, and that is what his bosses want
him to do, and that is what the state law REQUIRES. Why someone wants
to be a teacher has nothing to do with what their job actually is.
They are employees and like all employees they are obliged to make a
damned good effort to follow the boss's wishes, or they won't continue
to be employees.
Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students to succeed in life,
But to keep your job, you'll have to learn how to keep the adults
above you happy, which also may require keeping your peers happy,
because when you start they will have more clout with your bosses than
you do.
That being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn.
Because the law says that we shall. "Why" is because the public
demands accountability. Uniform standards are required for fairness,
and also to deal with family mobility (so that 4th grade in one school
is more or less at the same level as 4th grade at a different school.
But the whys and wherefores that the legislature chooses in requiring
standards has little to do with why the employees have to follow those
standards.
I have nothing against teaching "success in life", but that is
enrichment, after you have done your job to teach what the state tells
you to teach.
lojbab
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| User: "Rowley" |
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| Title: Re: Teaching Kids to Save Money |
06 Feb 2008 12:26:42 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 5, 6:09 am, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:53 pm, Rowley <industry3dREM...@yahoo.com> wrote:
IMO, this (saving money) is something that should be taught at home by
the kids parents.
Martin
Agreed. That doesn't mean it's not a good message to teach the kids
at school, especially if our goal is to teach them to prepare them for
life. The NEA Today article agrees.
AFAIK, there is no goal to prepare students for 'life'. Seemed to me the
only two goals we had (where I was working) was 1) for the kids to pass
the state's standardized test and 2) for them to go on to 'college'.
I guess that is why you are a teacher, to help kids be prepared for a
standardized test. Personally, I entered teaching to prepare students
to succeed in life, but every teacher goes into teaching for different
reasons (and you must not share this goal for your students).
Bwa-a-a-a-H hhhhhh---a-a-a-aaaaaa - LOL!
You sound just like the Principal that caused me to quite teaching -
except that he was advocating standardized testing. Exact same argument
he used.
That
being said, it must confuse you WHY we have standards of what the kids
need to learn.
Not really, I understand all too well what the state board of education
is attempting to do.
After all, if we're not there to prepare them, why do
we need standards at all...for that matter, we don't need to make them
come to school at all....just give them a paid babysitter.
So... let me get this straight - my take is that it is the parent's
responsiblility to teach their kids something and you disagree with that?
Martin
But if you want to check for yourself - feel free to dig through the
state's TEKS (Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills)
http://www.tea.state.tx.us/teks/
Or better yet, this pamplet;
LEARNING STANDARDS FOR TEXAS CHILDREN
A SUMMARY FOR PARENTShttp://www.tea.state.tx.us/curriculum/LearningStandards.pdf
Guess I'm in disagreement with NEA Today.
Martin
Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
I saw an article in the last NEA Today article about the need to teach
kids about saving money. I agree. How many of us decided to start
saving for retirement at some point, and we were told how much more we
could've had if we had just started saving sooner? I think it would
be a good idea to start a savings account as a class project for all
of our students, even if it were only a dime put away each month.
This habit could save them a lot of grief, later in life.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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