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04 Jul 2005 09:17:11 AM |
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Texas !0 C a plurality decision. |
Van Orden v. Perry was a plurality decision.
SEE:
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1800/
That makes things interesting for the following reasons
The meaning of a plurality decision
It does not make law, it does not set precedence.
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The Types of Opinions Issued [Emphasis added]
http://academic.udayton.edu/legaled/online/class/case08.htm
Professor Byron Warnken and Professor Elizabeth Samuels
University of Baltimore School of Law
The written decision in a case is called the opinion of the court, and when
more than one judge has heard the case, the decision is usually written for
the court by one of the judges, whose name appears at the beginning of the
opinion. Separate opinions may be concurring or dissenting opinions. A
concurring opinion agrees with the disposition of the case, i.e. whether to
affirm or reverse, but differs with the majority's reasoning. If the
opinion of the court is agreed upon and joined in by a majority, it is
called the majority opinion and is binding in future cases. The existence
of one or more separate concurring opinions does not affect whether the
reasoning will be binding in subsequent cases. If there is any common
ground on which a majority agree, then, as to that position, the opinion is
a majority opinion and is the law. BUT WHEN THE OPINION OF THE
COURT IS ONLY A PLURALITY OPINION, THE IS, WHEN A MAJORITY
HAS CONCURRED IN THE RESULT ONLY BUT NOT IN THE
REASONING, THEN THE REASONING OF THE PLURALITY IS
NOT BINDING IN FUTURE CASES.
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Plurality Opinion When no one opinion has a majority of the Justices
willing to sign on, the Court is fragmented about the legal reasoning and
the outcome of the decision. As such, the different points that Justices
want to make may be divided among different opinions rendered by the
Justices. In essence, the plurality opinion is just the one opinion that
has the most number of Justices that were willing to agree to it. It is
sometimes called the "judgment of the Court."
***********************************************************
plurality opinion: An opinion to which less than a majority agree on
the reasoning of the decision, but to which a majority agree on the result.
***********************************************************
http://olrs.ohio.gov/asp/pub_Olmstead.asp
A third part of the opinion was agreed to by only four of the nine
justices, known as a "plurality" opinion. Plurality opinions, while not
binding, can provide guidance to lower courts that are deciding similar
cases. This part of the opinion gives a suggestion as to how the four
justices would vote if another case like this one makes its way to the
Court.
*******************************************************************
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=buckeye-elo%40nospam.net+mitchell+v...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2C411468
Mitchell v. Helms
Writing for the Plurality: Justice Thomas (joined by Chief Justice
Rehnquist, Justice Scalia, and Justice Kennedy)
Concurring Opinion by: Justice O'Connor (joined by Justice Breyer)
Dissenting Opinions by: Justice Souter (joined by Justice Stevens and
Justice Ginsburg)
Let's see, no majority.
four agreeing for one reason
two agreeing for other reasons
three dissenting.
Because this is was a plurality rather than a majority decision, it has
no authority as legal precedent.
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256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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| Title: Re: Texas !0 C a plurality decision. |
04 Jul 2005 09:39:30 AM |
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<buckeyeelo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Van Orden v. Perry was a plurality decision.
SEE:
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1800/
That makes things interesting for the following reasons
The meaning of a plurality decision
It does not make law, it does not set precedence.
****************************************************************************
****************
The Types of Opinions Issued [Emphasis added]
http://academic.udayton.edu/legaled/online/class/case08.htm
Professor Byron Warnken and Professor Elizabeth Samuels
University of Baltimore School of Law
The written decision in a case is called the opinion of the court, and
when
more than one judge has heard the case, the decision is usually written
for
the court by one of the judges, whose name appears at the beginning of the
opinion. Separate opinions may be concurring or dissenting opinions. A
concurring opinion agrees with the disposition of the case, i.e. whether
to
affirm or reverse, but differs with the majority's reasoning. If the
opinion of the court is agreed upon and joined in by a majority, it is
called the majority opinion and is binding in future cases. The existence
of one or more separate concurring opinions does not affect whether the
reasoning will be binding in subsequent cases. If there is any common
ground on which a majority agree, then, as to that position, the opinion
is
a majority opinion and is the law. BUT WHEN THE OPINION OF THE
COURT IS ONLY A PLURALITY OPINION, THE IS, WHEN A MAJORITY
HAS CONCURRED IN THE RESULT ONLY BUT NOT IN THE
REASONING, THEN THE REASONING OF THE PLURALITY IS
NOT BINDING IN FUTURE CASES.
****************************************************************************
************
Plurality Opinion When no one opinion has a majority of the Justices
willing to sign on, the Court is fragmented about the legal reasoning and
the outcome of the decision. As such, the different points that Justices
want to make may be divided among different opinions rendered by the
Justices. In essence, the plurality opinion is just the one opinion that
has the most number of Justices that were willing to agree to it. It is
sometimes called the "judgment of the Court."
***********************************************************
plurality opinion: An opinion to which less than a majority agree on
the reasoning of the decision, but to which a majority agree on the
result.
***********************************************************
http://olrs.ohio.gov/asp/pub_Olmstead.asp
A third part of the opinion was agreed to by only four of the nine
justices, known as a "plurality" opinion. Plurality opinions, while not
binding, can provide guidance to lower courts that are deciding similar
cases. This part of the opinion gives a suggestion as to how the four
justices would vote if another case like this one makes its way to the
Court.
*******************************************************************
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=buckeye-elo%40nospam.net+mitchell+v...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2C411468
Mitchell v. Helms
Writing for the Plurality: Justice Thomas (joined by Chief Justice
Rehnquist, Justice Scalia, and Justice Kennedy)
Concurring Opinion by: Justice O'Connor (joined by Justice Breyer)
Dissenting Opinions by: Justice Souter (joined by Justice Stevens and
Justice Ginsburg)
Let's see, no majority.
four agreeing for one reason
two agreeing for other reasons
three dissenting.
Because this is was a plurality rather than a majority decision, it has
no authority as legal precedent.
****************************************************************************
*************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
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We are already addressing that in the current special session. I doubt if
we will vote on it during the session but we should have something solid for
the next regular session.
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04 Jul 2005 12:47:51 PM |
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:|We are already addressing that in the current special session. I doubt if
:|we will vote on it during the session but we should have something solid for
:|the next regular session.
Ahem, Whio are we, What special session, etc, etc, etc.
*****************************************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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04 Jul 2005 12:59:29 PM |
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<buckeyeelo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"-" <__@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|We are already addressing that in the current special session. I doubt
if
:|we will vote on it during the session but we should have something
solid for
:|the next regular session.
Ahem, Whio are we, What special session, etc, etc, etc.
The state representatives.
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06 Jul 2005 10:45:34 AM |
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:|<buckeyeelo@nospam.net> wrote in message
:|news:qhtic1hd62ui5hjsb4mth9thnplvn262ht@4ax.com...
:|> "-" <__@hotmail.com> wrote:
:|>
:|>
:|>
:|> >:|We are already addressing that in the current special session. I doubt
:|if
:|> >:|we will vote on it during the session but we should have something
:|solid for
:|> >:|the next regular session.
:|>
:|> Ahem, Whio are we, What special session, etc, etc, etc.
:|>
:|
:|The state representatives.
Are you claiming to be a member of that group?
*****************************************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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06 Jul 2005 11:17:21 AM |
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<buckeyeelo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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"-" <__@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:|<buckeyeelo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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:|> "-" <__@hotmail.com> wrote:
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:|> >:|We are already addressing that in the current special session. I
doubt
:|if
:|> >:|we will vote on it during the session but we should have something
:|solid for
:|> >:|the next regular session.
:|>
:|> Ahem, Whio are we, What special session, etc, etc, etc.
:|>
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:|The state representatives.
Are you claiming to be a member of that group?
Not on your life. But, unfortunately, they have to represent me and as that
is the case I guess "we" are all in the same boat.
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Politician: a thief that has not been caught yet.
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05 Jul 2005 10:19:44 AM |
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:|buckeyeelo@nospam.net wrote:
:|> Van Orden v. Perry was a plurality decision.
:|> SEE:
:|> http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1800/
:|>
:|> That makes things interesting for the following reasons
:|>
:|>
:|> The meaning of a plurality decision
:|> It does not make law, it does not set precedence.
:|
:| I always love it when ignoramuses try to "play lawyer".
:|
:| "precedence" is "order of ceremonial or formal preference";
:|i.e. the order of people in a parade or at a graduation ceremony.
:|
:| The word you're looking for is "precedent", "something said
:|or done that may serve as a rule to justify a subsequent act
:|of the same kind".
Do excuse me, such a mistake I have made. I will surely suffer for
eternity.
BTW, I don't play lawyer, though I am not totally without training and
experience in the field.
The real problem, of course, is that spell check doesn't read minds or
intention.
Couple that with a person who doesn't type but rather hunts and pecks, and
is blind in one eye and visually challenged with the other and there are
errors.
Such a thought would never enter your mind, only that here is some other
simpleton trying to play lawyer. Can we say judgmental?
It is so nice there are people like you to find them
Now would you care to address the rest or maybe even come join us on our
yahoo group
A person of with your observation talents would be a great asset
Maybe there is another word that might fitn better, huh. It contains part
of that same word though.
Now just for fun:
Precedence /presadans/ or precedency /presadansiy/. The act or state of
going before; adjustment of place. The right of being first placed in a
certain order. See also Preference; Precedent; Priority.
Precedent /presadant/. An adjudged case or decision of a court, considered
as furnishing an example or authority for an identical or similar case
afterwards arising or a similar question of law. Courts attempt to decide
cases on the basis of principles established in prior cases. Prior cases
which are close in facts or legal principles to the case under
consideration are called precedents. A rule of law established for the
first time by a court for a particular type of case and thereafter
referred to in deciding similar cases. See also Stare decisis.
A course of conduct once followed which may serve as a guide for future
conduct. See Custom and usage; Habit.
Blacks Law Dictionary, Abridged Sixth Edition, Centennial Edition (1891-
1991) West Publishing (1991) p 814
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SEE:
http://www.oyez.org/oyez/resource/case/1800/
That makes things interesting for the following reasons
The meaning of a plurality decision
It does not make law, it does not set precedent THERE YA HAPPY?
********************************************************************************************
The Types of Opinions Issued [Emphasis added]
http://academic.udayton.edu/legaled/online/class/case08.htm
Professor Byron Warnken and Professor Elizabeth Samuels
University of Baltimore School of Law
The written decision in a case is called the opinion of the court, and when
more than one judge has heard the case, the decision is usually written for
the court by one of the judges, whose name appears at the beginning of the
opinion. Separate opinions may be concurring or dissenting opinions. A
concurring opinion agrees with the disposition of the case, i.e. whether to
affirm or reverse, but differs with the majority's reasoning. If the
opinion of the court is agreed upon and joined in by a majority, it is
called the majority opinion and is binding in future cases. The existence
of one or more separate concurring opinions does not affect whether the
reasoning will be binding in subsequent cases. If there is any common
ground on which a majority agree, then, as to that position, the opinion is
a majority opinion and is the law. BUT WHEN THE OPINION OF THE
COURT IS ONLY A PLURALITY OPINION, THE IS, WHEN A MAJORITY
HAS CONCURRED IN THE RESULT ONLY BUT NOT IN THE
REASONING, THEN THE REASONING OF THE PLURALITY IS
NOT BINDING IN FUTURE CASES.
****************************************************************************************
Plurality Opinion When no one opinion has a majority of the Justices
willing to sign on, the Court is fragmented about the legal reasoning and
the outcome of the decision. As such, the different points that Justices
want to make may be divided among different opinions rendered by the
Justices. In essence, the plurality opinion is just the one opinion that
has the most number of Justices that were willing to agree to it. It is
sometimes called the "judgment of the Court."
***********************************************************
plurality opinion: An opinion to which less than a majority agree on
the reasoning of the decision, but to which a majority agree on the result.
***********************************************************
http://olrs.ohio.gov/asp/pub_Olmstead.asp
A third part of the opinion was agreed to by only four of the nine
justices, known as a "plurality" opinion. Plurality opinions, while not
binding, can provide guidance to lower courts that are deciding similar
cases. This part of the opinion gives a suggestion as to how the four
justices would vote if another case like this one makes its way to the
Court.
*******************************************************************
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=buckeye-elo%40nospam.net+mitchell+v...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2C411468
Mitchell v. Helms
Writing for the Plurality: Justice Thomas (joined by Chief Justice
Rehnquist, Justice Scalia, and Justice Kennedy)
Concurring Opinion by: Justice O'Connor (joined by Justice Breyer)
Dissenting Opinions by: Justice Souter (joined by Justice Stevens and
Justice Ginsburg)
Let's see, no majority.
four agreeing for one reason
two agreeing for other reasons
three dissenting.
Because this is was a plurality rather than a majority decision, it has
no authority as legal precedent.
*****************************************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and the discussion group for the above site listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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