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"Ted J L" |
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18 May 2007 10:33:09 PM |
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The Bible's Proof |
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/thebibles-proof.html "
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
19 May 2007 09:56:57 AM |
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"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Because there is absolutely NO evidence or facts that show the bible is
anything more than a collection of ancient fables, fantasies and fairy
tales.
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2007 12:34:27 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:56:57 GMT, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@onehandclapping.com> wrote:
"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Because there is absolutely NO evidence or facts that show the bible is
anything more than a collection of ancient fables, fantasies and fairy
tales.
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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19 May 2007 03:49:58 PM |
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<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:u6du43p5376i7dv9gdf2lsf7kbjgu1tosk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:56:57 GMT, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@onehandclapping.com> wrote:
"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Because there is absolutely NO evidence or facts that show the bible is
anything more than a collection of ancient fables, fantasies and fairy
tales.
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
I have, and stand by my word.
You're a fanatical zealot, so your "word" is meaningless.
Well educated people who study religion have also come to the same
conclusions I have.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO valid evidence to support the religious claims in the
bible.
Show me some ..... ANY .... valid evidence and I will retract my statement!
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "" |
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20 May 2007 02:40:13 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 20:49:58 GMT, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@onehandclapping.com> wrote:
<checker@flapper.com> wrote in message
news:u6du43p5376i7dv9gdf2lsf7kbjgu1tosk@4ax.com...
On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:56:57 GMT, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@onehandclapping.com> wrote:
"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Because there is absolutely NO evidence or facts that show the bible is
anything more than a collection of ancient fables, fantasies and fairy
tales.
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
I have, and stand by my word.
You're a fanatical zealot, so your "word" is meaningless.
Nobody I know considers me to be a "fanatical zealot." And of course
YOU don't know me so your fanatical "judgement" of me is meaningless.
Well educated people who study religion have also come to the same
conclusions I have.
Your ad-populum argument (look it up. . .I know, it is a BIG word. .
..) again reflects your ignorance. Lots of well educated people who
study religion have come to the same conclusions I have too.
Lots of "well studied" Germans were parts of Hitler's group in Germany
too. Did the fact that they were considered "well studied" or that
they agreed with each other make them "right?" LOL!
You have CLEARLY not done your homework! Go figure!
There is ABSOLUTELY NO valid evidence to support the religious claims in the
bible.
Show me some ..... ANY .... valid evidence and I will retract my statement!
There is a TON of valid evidence to support the Bible, but you in your
fanatical ignorance would just be nasty about anything that was
presented to you, so I will just leave you in your willful ignorance
and killfile you today.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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20 May 2007 05:19:40 PM |
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Nobody I know considers me to be a "fanatical zealot." And of course
YOU don't know me so your fanatical "judgement" of me is meaningless.
You post your unsolicited opinions about the Bible to the education
newsgroup, therefore you are a fanatic. Q.E.D
You have CLEARLY not done your homework! Go figure!
There is ABSOLUTELY NO valid evidence to support the religious claims in the
bible.
Show me some ..... ANY .... valid evidence and I will retract my statement!
There is a TON of valid evidence to support the Bible,
There is ZERO evidence, because there is no *possibility* of valid
evidence for a supernatural claim. The supernatural is not capable of
being validated; if it was, then it would be "natural" and not
"supernatural".
but you in your
fanatical ignorance would just be nasty about anything that was
presented to you, so I will just leave you in your willful ignorance
and killfile you today.
Why should he care? Do you actually think that he wants to have a
discussion with you? Not likely - he merely wants to ridicule you as
the cross-posting fanatic that you demonstrably are.
If you keep posting to the education newsgroup, I couldn't care less
whether you killfile me. Indeed, I don't much care what your opinion
of me is. I will answer your foolish posts anyway to point out your
foolishness for the rest of the newsgroup to see. The opinion of
others in the newsgroup almost certainly matters much more than your
opinion.
lojbab
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| User: "" |
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20 May 2007 06:25:42 PM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:19:40 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
checker@flapper.com wrote:
Nobody I know considers me to be a "fanatical zealot." And of course
YOU don't know me so your fanatical "judgement" of me is meaningless.
You post your unsolicited opinions about the Bible to the education
newsgroup, therefore you are a fanatic. Q.E.D
I guess that makes YOU one also, since you were not required to be
here either, and that is what is done here.
Q.E.D? "QED. . .a relativistic quantum theory of the electromagnetic
interactions of photons and electrons and muons"????
You have CLEARLY not done your homework! Go figure!
There is ABSOLUTELY NO valid evidence to support the religious claims in the
bible.
Show me some ..... ANY .... valid evidence and I will retract my statement!
There is a TON of valid evidence to support the Bible,
There is ZERO evidence, because there is no *possibility* of valid
evidence for a supernatural claim. The supernatural is not capable of
being validated; if it was, then it would be "natural" and not
"supernatural".
Multiple witnesses of the same events, predictions made hundreds of
years earlier coming to pass just as they were said to.
Even a few writings by unbelievers and skeptics.
Perhaps you should actually LOOK before you make such claims.
but you in your
fanatical ignorance would just be nasty about anything that was
presented to you, so I will just leave you in your willful ignorance
and killfile you today.
Why should he care? Do you actually think that he wants to have a
discussion with you? Not likely - he merely wants to ridicule you as
the cross-posting fanatic that you demonstrably are.
I responded to a thread already in progress. I don't know which ng it
originated it in, and apparently "crossposted" just as YOU HAVE HERE!
LOL!
And he obviously "cared" enough to post here in the BAPTIST ng where I
saw this.
If you keep posting to the education newsgroup, I couldn't care less
whether you killfile me. Indeed, I don't much care what your opinion
of me is. I will answer your foolish posts anyway to point out your
foolishness for the rest of the newsgroup to see. The opinion of
others in the newsgroup almost certainly matters much more than your
opinion.
Let's see now. . .I am wrong to respond to a post that apparently came
from one of 4 different newsgroups, only one of which I receive from
YOU, but you will rag on me for responding without changing the header
(which YOU didn't bother to change)??? LOL! That makes YOU a
hypocrite!
And I don't care. You have your weaknesses, I have mine. I still
won't change the header either. . .
LOL! <G>
Checker
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 May 2007 03:04:50 AM |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:19:40 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
wrote:
Nobody I know considers me to be a "fanatical zealot." And of course
YOU don't know me so your fanatical "judgement" of me is meaningless.
You post your unsolicited opinions about the Bible to the education
newsgroup, therefore you are a fanatic. Q.E.D
I guess that makes YOU one also,
I don't start threads on such topics. I whomp on others who do so.
Q.E.D? "QED. . .a relativistic quantum theory of the electromagnetic
interactions of photons and electrons and muons"????
quod erat demonstratum
There is ZERO evidence, because there is no *possibility* of valid
evidence for a supernatural claim. The supernatural is not capable of
being validated; if it was, then it would be "natural" and not
"supernatural".
Multiple witnesses of the same events,
There are NO proof that any of the people claimed to have written the
Bible witnessed the events that they are alleged to have witnessed,
nor that they actually wrote what is attributed to them.
There are lots of other writings of a similar nature that were
similarly attributed and which are clearly NOT accepted as being
written by their alleged author. We call these works "Apocryphal".
The difference between the canon and the apocryphal works was decided
by people who lived long after their alleged authors were dead, and
thus at a time when no one could prove that those authors had written
the texts.
predictions made hundreds of years earlier coming to pass just as they were said to.
There is no evidence that any prediction was specifically made in
advance of the event that it referred to. Many of the Old Testament
writings which are alleged to be prophecy were identified as such long
after their alleged authors were dead, and weren't even considered
"prophecies". Some prophecies were associated with Messianic
movements that started not long before the Christian era, but most of
these were such that Christ could have fulfilled them by intent - they
were ways by which a Messiah might declare himself rather than true
prophecies. Others were Christian era reinterpretations of verses
that weren't understood to be prophecies at all until after the fact.
New Testament "prophecies" about the destruction of Jerusalem were
almost certainly written after that destruction.
Even a few writings by unbelievers and skeptics.
Since none of the writings of the Bible are demonstrated to have been
written by their alleged authors, it is not possible to state that any
unbeliever or skeptic wrote anything in the Bible.
Perhaps you should actually LOOK before you make such claims.
I have done a lot more looking than you have, apparently.
Why should he care? Do you actually think that he wants to have a
discussion with you? Not likely - he merely wants to ridicule you as
the cross-posting fanatic that you demonstrably are.
I responded to a thread already in progress.
OK, then maybe you aren't the fanatic that started the thread.
And he obviously "cared" enough to post here in the BAPTIST ng where I
saw this.
He may not have even noticed that it was being posted to a baptist ng.
Many (most?) posters never look at the headers when responding to a
post.
If you keep posting to the education newsgroup, I couldn't care less
whether you killfile me. Indeed, I don't much care what your opinion
of me is. I will answer your foolish posts anyway to point out your
foolishness for the rest of the newsgroup to see. The opinion of
others in the newsgroup almost certainly matters much more than your
opinion.
Let's see now. . .I am wrong to respond to a post that apparently came
from one of 4 different newsgroups, only one of which I receive from
YOU, but you will rag on me for responding without changing the header
(which YOU didn't bother to change)??? LOL! That makes YOU a
hypocrite!
I don't pretend to be immune from hypocrisy. I "ragged on you" for
what you posted, initially intending to comment on your threat to
killfile (as if anyone cared, which was my original point).
lojbab
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| User: "" |
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21 May 2007 09:05:57 AM |
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:04:50 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
checker@flapper.com wrote:
On Sun, 20 May 2007 18:19:40 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
checker@flapper.com wrote:
Nobody I know considers me to be a "fanatical zealot." And of course
YOU don't know me so your fanatical "judgement" of me is meaningless.
You post your unsolicited opinions about the Bible to the education
newsgroup, therefore you are a fanatic. Q.E.D
I guess that makes YOU one also,
I don't start threads on such topics. I whomp on others who do so.
<snipped all of the nonsense about there being no evidence for the
authenticity of the Bible. . .you clearly have not looked into it and
are voicing ASSUMPTIONS that have no basis in reality>
Perhaps you should actually LOOK before you make such claims.
I have done a lot more looking than you have, apparently.
LOL! That is why you don't know the history of the writings, how they
were kept, why you claim that all we have is "translations of
translations" stuff? That is why you aren't aware of the various
writers referring to other writers whom THEY knew (Peter referring to
Paul's writings as "scripture" etc).
Why should he care? Do you actually think that he wants to have a
discussion with you? Not likely - he merely wants to ridicule you as
the cross-posting fanatic that you demonstrably are.
I responded to a thread already in progress.
OK, then maybe you aren't the fanatic that started the thread.
But that didn't keep you from ragging on me because YOU didn't do your
homework and look to see who started the thread. . .
And he obviously "cared" enough to post here in the BAPTIST ng where I
saw this.
He may not have even noticed that it was being posted to a baptist ng.
Many (most?) posters never look at the headers when responding to a
post.
Actually most of us do. We don't usually change them because people
from ALL of the headers usually respond and you don't want to "cut
someone off."
If you keep posting to the education newsgroup, I couldn't care less
whether you killfile me. Indeed, I don't much care what your opinion
of me is. I will answer your foolish posts anyway to point out your
foolishness for the rest of the newsgroup to see. The opinion of
others in the newsgroup almost certainly matters much more than your
opinion.
Let's see now. . .I am wrong to respond to a post that apparently came
from one of 4 different newsgroups, only one of which I receive from
YOU, but you will rag on me for responding without changing the header
(which YOU didn't bother to change)??? LOL! That makes YOU a
hypocrite!
I don't pretend to be immune from hypocrisy. I "ragged on you" for
what you posted, initially intending to comment on your threat to
killfile (as if anyone cared, which was my original point).
No "threat." Simply the statement that I was doing so so that he
wouldn't waste time or effort trying to elicit further responses from
me.
So who cares whether YOU think he cares or not? LOL!
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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21 May 2007 03:36:01 PM |
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LOL! That is why you don't know the history of the writings, how they
were kept, why you claim that all we have is "translations of
translations" stuff? That is why you aren't aware of the various
writers referring to other writers whom THEY knew (Peter referring to
Paul's writings as "scripture" etc).
That assumes that it was Peter who wrote what you attribute to him. A
faulty and unsupported assumption.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/1peter.html
OK, then maybe you aren't the fanatic that started the thread.
But that didn't keep you from ragging on me because YOU didn't do your
homework and look to see who started the thread. . .
You are continuing it, and with uneducated nonsense for arguments,
thus showing you are a fanatic.
So who cares whether YOU think he cares or not? LOL!
No one but me. But my opinion is of supremely greater importance to
me than yours is. Live with it.
lojbab
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| User: "KlugeHans" |
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20 May 2007 04:26:21 PM |
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In article <un81531bcn4eada7hj9gkc5rd97040mn2h@4ax.com>,
checker@flapper.com wrote:
There is a TON of valid evidence to support the Bible, but you in your
fanatical ignorance would just be nasty about anything that was
presented to you, so I will just leave you in your willful ignorance
and killfile you today.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
Depends on what you are supporting in the Bible
As history the first part is predominantly nationalist crap validating an
ancient land-grab. It is an epic rather like Homer.
As to killfiling I guess you can always lock yourself in your room and sulk
I prefer the sunshine
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| User: "KlugeHans" |
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20 May 2007 04:28:44 PM |
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In article <u6du43p5376i7dv9gdf2lsf7kbjgu1tosk@4ax.com>,
checker@flapper.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 14:56:57 GMT, "ZenIsWhen"
<ZenIsWhen@onehandclapping.com> wrote:
"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Because there is absolutely NO evidence or facts that show the bible is
anything more than a collection of ancient fables, fantasies and fairy
tales.
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
There does not appear to be shred of historical fact in the first five
books of the Bible
Start there.
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| User: "Joe Bol" |
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21 May 2007 03:18:26 PM |
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 07:28:44 +1000,
(KlugeHans) wrote:
There does not appear to be shred of historical fact in the first five
books of the Bible
Sure there is. Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible and
wrote all about his own death. It was a miracle!
Just ask Checkers.
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| User: "Joe Bol" |
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21 May 2007 03:15:47 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:34:27 -0600, wrote:
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
That position is also held by many who have read it, checked it
history and accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
They have done much more work than you could ever hope to complete in
the study of the Bible, yet they have come to the opposite conclusion
as yours. Those years of study would hardly be considered a "position
of ignorance."
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
Why do you continually insult those who came to a different conclusion
than yours? Why the insults?
BB
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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21 May 2007 03:27:40 PM |
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In article <i9v3539g8kkm88n40i3eqootbg6igodt8k@4ax.com> Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> writes:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:34:27 -0600, wrote:
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
That position is also held by many who have read it, checked it
history and accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
They have done much more work than you could ever hope to complete in
the study of the Bible, yet they have come to the opposite conclusion
as yours. Those years of study would hardly be considered a "position
of ignorance."
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
Why do you continually insult those who came to a different conclusion
than yours? Why the insults?
Oh, give checker a break. He's going up against Bob LeChevalier
on a matter of scholarship, which means that soon enough insults
will be ALL he has left.
-- cary
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22 May 2007 09:02:59 AM |
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:15:47 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:34:27 -0600, wrote:
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
That position is also held by many who have read it, checked it
history and accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
They have done much more work than you could ever hope to complete in
the study of the Bible, yet they have come to the opposite conclusion
as yours. Those years of study would hardly be considered a "position
of ignorance."
Since there are many more who contradict them with at least as much
scholarship, and since you have nothing but ASSUMTIONS about how much
work I have done in the study of the Bible, you have nothing to
support your claim.
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
Why do you continually insult those who came to a different conclusion
than yours? Why the insults?
Just responding to yours.
Checker
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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22 May 2007 09:36:06 AM |
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On May 22, 2007, wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007 20:15:47 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:34:27 -0600, wrote:
Your position IS one of the popular myths about the Bible held by
people who have never read it, checked its history, historicity,
and/or accuracy.
That position is also held by many who have read it, checked it
history and accuracy.
It is of course a position of ignorance.
They have done much more work than you could ever hope to complete in
the study of the Bible, yet they have come to the opposite conclusion
as yours. Those years of study would hardly be considered a "position
of ignorance."
Since there are many more who contradict them with at least as much
scholarship, and since you have nothing but ASSUMTIONS about how much
work I have done in the study of the Bible, you have nothing to
support your claim.
Do your homework. Then you won't look so lame.
Why do you continually insult those who came to a different conclusion
than yours? Why the insults?
Just responding to yours.
Checker
So - quite obviously - there is no difference
whatsoever in your moralities.
Are you now going to jump up and down and
hold your breath and know that we'll all be
sorry when you're dead?
Personally, I think it would be a definite improvement.
Dead trash is /always/ an improvement on live trash
(if one can call your pathetic, gutless life "living").
You chose being a peckerhead over being a Christian.
It was your choice; now it's your eternity.
There is no redemption possible now; you have made your choice and,
now, you can dream about that special moment when you are excited by
Jerry Falwell's tongue slipping between your lips.
Enjoy!
Gray Shockley
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
19 May 2007 12:48:59 PM |
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"Ted J L" <publicmien@yahoo.com.INV> wrote in message
news:Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:
So the bible is true because it says it is?
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
19 May 2007 09:00:51 PM |
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Vosotros wrote:
So the bible is true because it says it is?
That plus the fact that I say it is.
Jd
"I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you:
therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God." (Isaiah 43:12)
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| User: "jane abraham" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
20 May 2007 02:22:20 AM |
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How to accept the bible cos it is full of contradictions. I listed a
few of them below
1. God is satisfied with his works en 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is
6:1/ Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1
Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere presesnt, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps
139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen
11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/
Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings
20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom
2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/
Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God witholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John
12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/
Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/Lam 3:33/1 Chron 16:34/Ezek
18:32 Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer
17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices,
and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg
11:30-32,34,38,39
God fobids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31
19. God temps men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God temps no man James 1:13
20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive 2 Thes
2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John
5:7
24. Robery commanded Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery fobidden Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/
1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned 2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and opression ordained Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and opression forbidden Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt
23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught nonresistance Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved Matt 5:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemmed 1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day Ex
20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death Ex 31:15/
Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded 1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food. Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom
14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food. Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/
Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted Matt 5:32
Can you truth somthing which are full of contradictions?
On May 19, 11:33 am, (Ted J L) wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, f...@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/thebibles-proof.html"
--
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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| User: "Jd" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
21 May 2007 07:09:25 PM |
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Dear Jane,
You skipped one it appears.
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
Why did you skip the above which obviously, you think is the greatest of contridictions?
Jd
jane abraham wrote:
How to accept the bible cos it is full of contradictions. I listed a
few of them below
1. God is satisfied with his works en 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is
6:1/ Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1
Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere presesnt, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps
139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen
11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/
Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings
20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom
2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/
Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God witholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John
12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/
Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/Lam 3:33/1 Chron 16:34/Ezek
18:32 Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer
17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices,
and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg
11:30-32,34,38,39
God fobids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31
19. God temps men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God temps no man James 1:13
20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive 2 Thes
2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John
5:7
24. Robery commanded Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery fobidden Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/
1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned 2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and opression ordained Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and opression forbidden Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt
23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught nonresistance Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved Matt 5:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemmed 1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day Ex
20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death Ex 31:15/
Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded 1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food. Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom
14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food. Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/
Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted Matt 5:32
Can you truth somthing which are full of contradictions?
On May 19, 11:33 am, (Ted J L) wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, f...@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/thebibles-proof.html"
--
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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| User: "Ted J L" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
20 May 2007 09:42:02 AM |
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In article <1179645740.598267.8550@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, says...
How to accept the bible cos it is full of contradictions. I listed a
few of them below
1. God is satisfied with his works en 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is
6:1/ Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1
Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17/ Jer 15:6
God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere presesnt, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps
139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen
11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/
Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings
20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom
2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/
Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God witholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John
12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/
Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/Lam 3:33/1 Chron 16:34/Ezek
18:32 Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer
17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices,
and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg
11:30-32,34,38,39
God fobids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31
19. God temps men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God temps no man James 1:13
20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive 2 Thes
2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John
5:7
24. Robery commanded Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36
Robbery fobidden Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15
25. Lying approved and sanctioned Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/
1 Kings 22:21,22
Lying forbidden Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8
26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned 2 Kings 14:7,3
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden Deut 23:7
27. Killing commanded Ex 32:27
Killing forbidden Ex 20:13
28. The blood-shedder must die Gen 9:5,6
The blood-shedder must not die Gen 4:15
29. The making of images forbidden Ex 20:4
The making of images commanded Ex 25:18,20
30. Slavery and opression ordained Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8
Slavery and opression forbidden Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt
23:10
31. Improvidence enjoyed Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3
Improvidence condemned 1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22
32. Anger approved Eph 4:26
Anger disapproved Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20
33. Good works to be seen of men Matt 5:16
Good works not to be seen of men Matt 6:1
34. Judging of others forbidden Matt 7:1,2
Judging of others approved 1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12
35. Christ taught nonresistance Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52
Christ taught and practiced physical resistance Luke 22:36/ John 2:15
36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed Luke 12:4
Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed John 7:1
37. Public prayer sanctioned 1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3
Public prayer disapproved Matt 5:5,6
38. Importunity in prayer commended Luke 18:5,7
Importunity in prayer condemned Matt 6:7,8
39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5
The wearing of long hair by men condemmed 1 Cor 11:14
40. Circumcision instituted Gen 17:10
Circumcision condemned Gal 5:2
41. The Sabbath instituted Ex 20:8
The Sabbath repudiated Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16
42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day Ex
20:11
The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites out of Egypt
Deut 5:15
43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death Ex 31:15/
Num 15:32,36
Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in the same
John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5
44. Baptism commanded Matt 28:19
Baptism not commanded 1 Cor 1:17,14
45. Every kind of animal allowed for food. Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom
14:14
Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food. Deut 14:7,8
46. Taking of oaths sanctioned Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/
Heb 6:13
Taking of oaths forbidden Matt 5:34
47. Marriage approved Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4
Marriage disapproved 1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8
48. Freedom of divorce permitted Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14
Divorce restricted Matt 5:32
Can you truth somthing which are full of contradictions?
1. You have sinned against God.
"For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
[Rom. 3:23]
"Whosoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in
one point, he is guilty of all."[Jas. 2:10]
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us." [1 Jn. 1:8]
2. God is a holy, sin-hating God.
"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and
canst not look on iniquity."[Hab. 1:13]
"For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness;
neither shall evil dwell in thee." [Ps. 5:4]
3. God's holy nature demands that all sin must be punished.
"For the wages of sin is death."[Rom. 6:23]
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and
death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them:
and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death. And whosoever was not found
written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
[Rev. 20:14-15]
4. God gave up himself as a sacrifice for your sins,
receiving the wages of sin, which is death.
" For such an high priest became us, who is holy,
harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made
higher than the heavens;
Who needeth not daily ...to offer
up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's:
for this he did once, when he offered up himself." [Heb 7:26-27]
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that,
while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."[Rom. 5:8]
"He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised
for our iniquities."[Isa. 53:5]
"Who did no sin...Who his own self bare our sins in
his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins,
should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes
ye were healed." [1 Pet. 22, 24]
"Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures:
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the
third day according to the scriptures" [1 Cor. 15:3-4]
5. Jesus' death alone can save you from Hell--an
eternal separation from God--and nothing else.
"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many;
for he shall bear their iniquities."[Isa. 53:11]
"For if righteousness come by the law, then Christ
died in vain."[Gal. 2:21]
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh
be justified in His sight."[Rom. 3:20]
"Not by works of righeousness which we have done,
but according to His mercy He saved us."[Titus 3:5]
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our
righteousnesses are as filty rags."[Isa. 64:6]
6. Eternal life is a gift from God to be received, not earned.
"The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."[Rom. 6:23]
"As many as received him, to them gave he power to
become sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."[John 1:12]
7. To receive eternal life and be saved from Hell,
you must ask Jesus to save you.
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the
Lord shall be saved."[Rom. 10:13]
When you ask to be saved, two things are of vital importance:
"Repentence toward God, and Faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."[Acts 20:21]
"Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."[Lk. 13:3]
"For thou desirest not sacrifices, else I would give it:
thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are
a broken spirit: a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou
wilt not despise."[Ps 51:16-17]
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into
the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but
there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto
you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other
gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
[Galatians 1:6-9]
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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19 May 2007 12:12:09 AM |
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In article <Vdu3i.34663$G23.30188@newsreading01.news.tds.net>,
publicmien@yahoo.com.INV (Ted J L) wrote:
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
In that case shove it!
Fortunately you are wrong
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| User: "Joe Bol" |
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18 May 2007 11:41:43 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Yes, don't bother to examine the evidence. Don't bother to think for
yourself.
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2007 08:36:51 AM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 04:41:43 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Yes, don't bother to examine the evidence. Don't bother to think for
yourself.
Don't bother to actually READ the book to see for yourself as you seem
to believe. After all, you wouldn't want to KNOW what faith is. . .
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen
NKJV
Key words are SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE. Since you have obviously not
examined the EVIDENCE and have not looked at the SUBSTANCE of the
Bible, you are apparently operating on FAITH that it must not be true.
On the other hand, I have read the book multipe times (it is actually
MANY books from MANY pens), and have examined the EVIDENCE and seen
the SUBSTANCE.
You ought to try that approach instead of blindly believing as you do.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "KlugeHans" |
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19 May 2007 11:24:45 PM |
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In article <r4vt43tr0h82b4u1sbvrel7t7l4e0jiba8@4ax.com>,
checker@flapper.com wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 04:41:43 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Yes, don't bother to examine the evidence. Don't bother to think for
yourself.
Don't bother to actually READ the book to see for yourself as you seem
to believe. After all, you wouldn't want to KNOW what faith is. . .
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen
NKJV
Well it is certainly NOT what the writer of Hebrews claimed it to be!
When I walk across a wooden bridge over a chasm my faith is in the
KNOWLEDGE that it has been properly built
Otherwise you will NOT get me on that bridge
No knowledge, no TANGIBLE evidence = no "FAITH"
Thomas was RIGHT when in the myth he demands evidence of Jesuses
resurrection etc
Paulism has been responsible for an appalling and disgusting slander of
Thomas - THE ONE disciple who did the right thing in the myth
After all providing the evidence in the myth cost Jesus and the disciples
nothing
So whats the problem?
The story is about trusting your entire soul to the meanderings of a
reformed serial killer with an agenda to totally destroy the original
religion of Jesus
The tragedy is that Christians allowed this monstrous fraud to succeed
and now insult as heretics those who fought against it on the Master's
side.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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21 May 2007 11:54:03 PM |
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On May 19, 2007, Anonymous Posier wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 04:41:43 GMT, Joe Bol <notreal@notreal.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith,
Yes, don't bother to examine the evidence. Don't bother to think for
yourself.
Don't bother to actually READ the book to see for yourself as you seem
to believe. After all, you wouldn't want to KNOW what faith is. . .
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen
NKJV
Key words are SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE. Since you have obviously not
examined the EVIDENCE and have not looked at the SUBSTANCE of the
Bible, you are apparently operating on FAITH that it must not be true.
On the other hand, I have read the book multipe times (it is actually
MANY books from MANY pens), and have examined the EVIDENCE and seen
the SUBSTANCE.
You ought to try that approach instead of blindly believing as you do.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
You just pounded another nail into the
2007 version of the crucifixion of Jesus.
Has anyone ever told you that
you - spiritually - look just like
Vice-President "Les" Cheney?
Gray Shockley
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In President Bush's vision
of the Apocalypse, there
are four Shetland ponies.
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| User: "Joe Bol" |
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21 May 2007 02:14:43 PM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 07:36:51 -0600, wrote:
Don't bother to actually READ the book to see for yourself as you seem
to believe. After all, you wouldn't want to KNOW what faith is. . .
Why would you make these assumptions?
Since you have obviously not
examined the EVIDENCE and have not looked at the SUBSTANCE of the
Bible, you are apparently operating on FAITH that it must not be true.
Again, why would you make such assumptions about me?
On the other hand, I have read the book multipe times (it is actually
MANY books from MANY pens), and have examined the EVIDENCE and seen
the SUBSTANCE.
Which proves very little. When I was in college, one of my profs was
an Indian man who could quote the Bible as much as any evangelical I
knew. Yet he was far from would you would consider a Christian. The
fact that you are bragging about reading "the book multiple times"
does nothing to prove whatever it is you are trying to prove.
You ought to try that approach instead of blindly believing as you do.
More of your assumptions.
BB
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| User: "" |
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19 May 2007 08:33:03 AM |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:
I haven't looked at your link; I don't usually have time to go
link-hopping. But you left something out.
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen.
NKJV
Key words for faith: SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE.
As you said, not a blind leap in the dark.
in Christ Jesus,
Checker
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| User: "Ted J L" |
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19 May 2007 10:07:23 AM |
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In article <5tut43931vrj16fl22g6d8ord13qv904s9@4ax.com>, says...
On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:
I haven't looked at your link; I don't usually have time to go
link-hopping. But you left something out.
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen.
NKJV
Key words for faith: SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE.
As you said, not a blind leap in the dark.
Yes, that is essentially the subject of the link as stated in the
posted introduction.
It isn't enough to the 'wise' and 'prudent' (c.f.Mat 11:25 vv) that the Bible
is accurate, but it is edifying to those whom God has chosen to know
the truth of Christ to see the 'evidence of things not seen' in scripture.
It's not really a cerebral experience; it's His Holy Ghost revealing
these to us...the scoffers and other unsaved can't know these things
until they've repented and believed that God's wrath for their sin
was directed on Christ so that we could be forgiven without God having
to place His wrath on us. "Who needeth not daily, ...
to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's:
for this he did once, when he offered up himself."[Heb 7:27]
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we,
being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye
were healed." [1 Peter 2:24]
"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent...
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the
flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which
are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God
chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence."[I Cor. 1:19,26-29]
--
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: The Bible's Proof |
19 May 2007 03:44:41 PM |
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"Ted J L" <> wrote in message
news:LoE3i.34667$G23.19620@newsreading01.news.tds.net...
In article <5tut43931vrj16fl22g6d8ord13qv904s9@4ax.com>,
checker@flapper.com says...
On Sat, 19 May 2007 03:33:09 GMT, (Ted J L)
wrote:
Updated April 25, 2007 (previously updated October 10, 2006;
first published April 10, 2002) (David Cloud, Fundamental Baptist
Information Service, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061,
866-295-4143, fbns@wayoflife.org; for instructions about
subscribing and unsubscribing or changing addresses, see the
information paragraph at the end of the article) --
"In the final analysis, a man must accept that the Bible is the
Word of God by faith, for 'without faith it is impossible to
please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is,
and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him' (Heb. 11:6).
At the same time, Bible faith is not a blind leap into the dark. It is
confidence in a believable Record that God has given, for 'faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God' (Rom. 10:17).
The writers of the Bible explain to us that they were not delivering
cunningly devised fables but an inspired record based on 'many
infallible proofs' (Acts 1:3; 2 Pet. 1:16). Following are some of the
objective, time-proven reasons why we can have complete
confidence in the Bible:
I haven't looked at your link; I don't usually have time to go
link-hopping. But you left something out.
Heb 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things
not seen.
NKJV
Key words for faith: SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE.
As you said, not a blind leap in the dark.
Yes, that is essentially the subject of the link as stated in the
posted introduction.
And it is, still, essentially crap!
It isn't enough to the 'wise' and 'prudent' (c.f.Mat 11:25 vv) that the
Bible
is accurate, but it is edifying to those whom God has chosen to know
the truth of Christ to see the 'evidence of things not seen' in scripture.
It's not really a cerebral experience; it's His Holy Ghost revealing
these to us...the scoffers and other unsaved can't know these things
until they've repented and believed that God's wrath for their sin
was directed on Christ so that we could be forgiven without God having
to place His wrath on us. "Who needeth not daily, ...
to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's:
for this he did once, when he offered up himself."[Heb 7:27]
"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we,
being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye
were healed." [1 Peter 2:24]
"For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent...
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the
flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things
which
are mighty;
And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God
chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
That no flesh should glory in his presence."[I Cor. 1:19,26-29]
--
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"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer
persecution."
2 Timothy 3:12
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