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The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism |
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
by Chris Hedges
www.theocracywatch.org, Nov 15, 2004
(This is an article by Chris Hedges that no major publication will print.)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ChristianRight_AmerFascism.html
[excerpt]
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School
, told us that when we were his age, he was then close to 80, we would
all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat
Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a
new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control
of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the
government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a
global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such
fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality
of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness
caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to
return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors
had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He was in Germany in
1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known
as The Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was
eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he
might want to consider returning to the United States . It was a
suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits
of Adolph Hitler placed over the contents inside his suitcase to hide
the rolls of home movie film he took of the so-called German Christian
Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied them,
including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse
worked when the border police lifted the top of the suitcases, saw the
portraits of the Fuhrer and closed them up again. I watched hours of
the grainy black and white films as he narrated in his apartment in
Cambridge .
He saw in the Christian Right, long before we did, disturbing
similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party,
similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social
instability or a national crisis, see American fascists, under the
guise of religion, rise to dismantle the open society. He despaired of
liberals, who he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes
about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and
impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure
of evil nor the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand
wringing by Democrats in the wake of the election, with many asking
how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them
"demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams . Like
Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively
in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part
of the Biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal,
secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the
media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed,
compromised by their close relationship with government and
corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling
to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the
age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their
prestige and comfort. He told me that if the Nazis took over America
"60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the
Nazi salute." This too was not an abstraction. He had watched
academics at the University of Heidelberg , including the philosopher
Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the
Christian Right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the
powerbrokers in the Christian Right have moved from the fringes of
society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Christian fundamentalists now hold a majority of seats in 36 percent
of all Republican Party state committees, or 18 of 50 states, along
with large minorities in 81 percent of the rest of the states.
Forty-five Senators and 186 members of the House of Representatives
earned between an 80 to100 percent approval ratings from the three
most influential Christian Right advocacy groups - The Christian
Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Tom Coburn, the
new senator from Oklahoma , has included in his campaign to end
abortion a call to impose the death penalty on doctors that carry out
abortions once the ban goes into place. Another new senator, John
Thune, believes in Creationism. Jim DeMint, the new senator elected
from South Carolina , wants to ban single mothers from teaching in
schools. The Election Day exit polls found that 22 percent of voters
identified themselves as evangelical Christians and Bush won 77
percent of their vote. The polls found that a plurality of voters said
that the most important issue in the campaign had been "moral values."
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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02 Jan 2007 06:20:08 PM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:7e6lp2hcov4pv6p0f161q4tpi80n0q1gui@4ax.com...
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
by Chris Hedges
www.theocracywatch.org, Nov 15, 2004
(This is an article by Chris Hedges that no major publication will print.)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ChristianRight_AmerFascism.html
[excerpt]
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School
, told us that when we were his age, he was then close to 80, we would
all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat
Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a
new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control
of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the
government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a
global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such
fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality
of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness
caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to
return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors
had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He was in Germany in
1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known
as The Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was
eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he
might want to consider returning to the United States . It was a
suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits
of Adolph Hitler placed over the contents inside his suitcase to hide
the rolls of home movie film he took of the so-called German Christian
Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied them,
including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse
worked when the border police lifted the top of the suitcases, saw the
portraits of the Fuhrer and closed them up again. I watched hours of
the grainy black and white films as he narrated in his apartment in
Cambridge .
He saw in the Christian Right, long before we did, disturbing
similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party,
similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social
instability or a national crisis, see American fascists, under the
guise of religion, rise to dismantle the open society. He despaired of
liberals, who he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes
about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and
impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure
of evil nor the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand
wringing by Democrats in the wake of the election, with many asking
how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them
"demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams . Like
Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively
in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part
of the Biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal,
secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the
media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed,
compromised by their close relationship with government and
corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling
to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the
age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their
prestige and comfort. He told me that if the Nazis took over America
"60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the
Nazi salute." This too was not an abstraction. He had watched
academics at the University of Heidelberg , including the philosopher
Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the
Christian Right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the
powerbrokers in the Christian Right have moved from the fringes of
society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Christian fundamentalists now hold a majority of seats in 36 percent
of all Republican Party state committees, or 18 of 50 states, along
with large minorities in 81 percent of the rest of the states.
Forty-five Senators and 186 members of the House of Representatives
earned between an 80 to100 percent approval ratings from the three
most influential Christian Right advocacy groups - The Christian
Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Tom Coburn, the
new senator from Oklahoma , has included in his campaign to end
abortion a call to impose the death penalty on doctors that carry out
abortions once the ban goes into place. Another new senator, John
Thune, believes in Creationism. Jim DeMint, the new senator elected
from South Carolina , wants to ban single mothers from teaching in
schools. The Election Day exit polls found that 22 percent of voters
identified themselves as evangelical Christians and Bush won 77
percent of their vote. The polls found that a plurality of voters said
that the most important issue in the campaign had been "moral values."
[end excerpt]
"Moral values" reamins the centerpeice of political and social thought in
parts of the nation.
Here in Rock Hill, SC, a survey of adults found that the #1 (24% of the
vote) local issue of 2006 was the fight to allow alcohol sales on Sundays.
That beat out the decision on where to build a new hospital (18%), the
elections in general, the local college basketball coach talked of leaving,
and the closing of the largest employer in the city, which rounded out the
top 5
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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03 Jan 2007 12:59:54 PM |
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wrote:
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
Oh yeah, the liberals' new argument tool (emphasis on the "tool"),
calling those who disagree with their ***** "fascists." It's almost as
adorable as their time-honored debating tactic, labeling their
opposition as racists :)
by Chris Hedges
www.theocracywatch.org, Nov 15, 2004
(This is an article by Chris Hedges that no major publication will print.)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ChristianRight_AmerFascism.html
[excerpt]
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School
, told us that when we were his age, he was then close to 80, we would
all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat
Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a
new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control
of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the
government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a
global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such
fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality
of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness
caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to
return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors
had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He was in Germany in
1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known
as The Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was
eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he
might want to consider returning to the United States . It was a
suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits
of Adolph Hitler placed over the contents inside his suitcase to hide
the rolls of home movie film he took of the so-called German Christian
Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied them,
including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse
worked when the border police lifted the top of the suitcases, saw the
portraits of the Fuhrer and closed them up again. I watched hours of
the grainy black and white films as he narrated in his apartment in
Cambridge .
He saw in the Christian Right, long before we did, disturbing
similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party,
similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social
instability or a national crisis, see American fascists, under the
guise of religion, rise to dismantle the open society. He despaired of
liberals, who he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes
about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and
impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure
of evil nor the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand
wringing by Democrats in the wake of the election, with many asking
how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them
"demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams . Like
Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively
in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part
of the Biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal,
secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the
media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed,
compromised by their close relationship with government and
corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling
to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the
age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their
prestige and comfort. He told me that if the Nazis took over America
"60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the
Nazi salute." This too was not an abstraction. He had watched
academics at the University of Heidelberg , including the philosopher
Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the
Christian Right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the
powerbrokers in the Christian Right have moved from the fringes of
society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Christian fundamentalists now hold a majority of seats in 36 percent
of all Republican Party state committees, or 18 of 50 states, along
with large minorities in 81 percent of the rest of the states.
Forty-five Senators and 186 members of the House of Representatives
earned between an 80 to100 percent approval ratings from the three
most influential Christian Right advocacy groups - The Christian
Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Tom Coburn, the
new senator from Oklahoma , has included in his campaign to end
abortion a call to impose the death penalty on doctors that carry out
abortions once the ban goes into place. Another new senator, John
Thune, believes in Creationism. Jim DeMint, the new senator elected
from South Carolina , wants to ban single mothers from teaching in
schools. The Election Day exit polls found that 22 percent of voters
identified themselves as evangelical Christians and Bush won 77
percent of their vote. The polls found that a plurality of voters said
that the most important issue in the campaign had been "moral values."
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS =B7 Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why =
"a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisne=
r,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| Title: Re: The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism |
04 Jan 2007 04:32:17 AM |
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wrote:
:|buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
:|> The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
:|
:|Oh yeah, the liberals' new argument tool (emphasis on the "tool"),
:|calling those who disagree with their ***** "fascists." It's almost as
:|adorable as their time-honored debating tactic, labeling their
:|opposition as racists :)
I suggest you actually read this to see who actually was the one who penned
that term on the Christian Right and what his credentials were.
In your zeal to try and distract from the actual post you seemed to have
forgotten to read it yourself
Here try again
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School
, told us that when we were his age, he was then close to 80, we would
all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat
Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a
new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control
of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the
government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a
global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such
fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality
of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness
caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to
return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors
had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He was in Germany in
1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known
as The Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was
eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he
might want to consider returning to the United States . It was a
suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits
of Adolph Hitler placed over the contents inside his suitcase to hide
the rolls of home movie film he took of the so-called German Christian
Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied them,
including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse
worked when the border police lifted the top of the suitcases, saw the
portraits of the Fuhrer and closed them up again. I watched hours of
the grainy black and white films as he narrated in his apartment in
Cambridge .
He saw in the Christian Right, long before we did, disturbing
similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party,
similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social
instability or a national crisis, see American fascists, under the
guise of religion, rise to dismantle the open society. He despaired of
liberals, who he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes
about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and
impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure
of evil nor the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand
wringing by Democrats in the wake of the election, with many asking
how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them
"demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams . Like
Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively
in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part
of the Biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal,
secular elite.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v.
Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| Title: Re: The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism |
03 Jan 2007 01:04:46 PM |
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In article <1167850794.012102.98140@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> writes:
buckeye-elo@nospam.net wrote:
The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism
Oh yeah, the liberals' new argument tool (emphasis on the "tool"),
calling those who disagree with their ***** "fascists." It's almost as
adorable as their time-honored debating tactic, labeling their
opposition as racists :)
Oh, no: that's rather a traditional tactic; I heard it widely
in the 60s.
In other words, it has at least the pedigree of those other
hoary time-honored debating tactics: calling liberals
"soft on communism" and "traitors" and "do-gooders".
by Chris Hedges
www.theocracywatch.org, Nov 15, 2004
(This is an article by Chris Hedges that no major publication will print.)
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/ChristianRight_AmerFascism.html
[excerpt]
Dr. James Luther Adams, my ethics professor at Harvard Divinity School
, told us that when we were his age, he was then close to 80, we would
all be fighting the "Christian fascists."
The warning, given to me 25 years ago, came at the moment Pat
Robertson and other radio and televangelists began speaking about a
new political religion that would direct its efforts at taking control
of all institutions, including mainstream denominations and the
government. Its stated goal was to use the United States to create a
global, Christian empire. It was hard, at the time, to take such
fantastic rhetoric seriously, especially given the buffoonish quality
of those who expounded it. But Adams warned us against the blindness
caused by intellectual snobbery. The Nazis, he said, were not going to
return with swastikas and brown shirts. Their ideological inheritors
had found a mask for fascism in the pages of the Bible.
He was not a man to use the word fascist lightly. He was in Germany in
1935 and 1936 and worked with the underground anti-Nazi church, known
as The Confessing Church, led by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Adams was
eventually detained and interrogated by the Gestapo, who suggested he
might want to consider returning to the United States . It was a
suggestion he followed. He left on a night train with framed portraits
of Adolph Hitler placed over the contents inside his suitcase to hide
the rolls of home movie film he took of the so-called German Christian
Church, which was pro-Nazi, and the few individuals who defied them,
including the theologians Karl Barth and Albert Schweitzer. The ruse
worked when the border police lifted the top of the suitcases, saw the
portraits of the Fuhrer and closed them up again. I watched hours of
the grainy black and white films as he narrated in his apartment in
Cambridge .
He saw in the Christian Right, long before we did, disturbing
similarities with the German Christian Church and the Nazi Party,
similarities that he said would, in the event of prolonged social
instability or a national crisis, see American fascists, under the
guise of religion, rise to dismantle the open society. He despaired of
liberals, who he said, as in Nazi Germany, mouthed silly platitudes
about dialogue and inclusiveness that made them ineffectual and
impotent. Liberals, he said, did not understand the power and allure
of evil nor the cold reality of how the world worked. The current hand
wringing by Democrats in the wake of the election, with many asking
how they can reach out to a movement whose leaders brand them
"demonic" and "satanic," would not have surprised Adams . Like
Bonhoeffer, he did not believe that those who would fight effectively
in coming times of turmoil, a fight that for him was an integral part
of the Biblical message, would come from the church or the liberal,
secular elite.
His critique of the prominent research universities, along with the
media, was no less withering. These institutions, self-absorbed,
compromised by their close relationship with government and
corporations, given enough of the pie to be complacent, were unwilling
to deal with the fundamental moral questions and inequities of the
age. They had no stomach for a battle that might cost them their
prestige and comfort. He told me that if the Nazis took over America
"60 percent of the Harvard faculty would begin their lectures with the
Nazi salute." This too was not an abstraction. He had watched
academics at the University of Heidelberg , including the philosopher
Martin Heidegger, raise their arms stiffly to students before class.
Two decades later, even in the face of the growing reach of the
Christian Right, his prediction seems apocalyptic. And yet the
powerbrokers in the Christian Right have moved from the fringes of
society to the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Christian fundamentalists now hold a majority of seats in 36 percent
of all Republican Party state committees, or 18 of 50 states, along
with large minorities in 81 percent of the rest of the states.
Forty-five Senators and 186 members of the House of Representatives
earned between an 80 to100 percent approval ratings from the three
most influential Christian Right advocacy groups - The Christian
Coalition, Eagle Forum, and Family Resource Council. Tom Coburn, the
new senator from Oklahoma , has included in his campaign to end
abortion a call to impose the death penalty on doctors that carry out
abortions once the ban goes into place. Another new senator, John
Thune, believes in Creationism. Jim DeMint, the new senator elected
from South Carolina , wants to ban single mothers from teaching in
schools. The Election Day exit polls found that 22 percent of voters
identified themselves as evangelical Christians and Bush won 77
percent of their vote. The polls found that a plurality of voters said
that the most important issue in the campaign had been "moral values."
[end excerpt]
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American Theocrats - Past and Present
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
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Here are quotes from a speech delivered by Dr. Joseph Goebbels
at the National Socialist Party Congress, Nuernberg, 1937.
"'Spain represents the world at the cross-roads.' Thus wrote
the Bolshevic press organ, Die Rundschau, in its issue dated July 22,
1937. That one sentance precisely defines the international
significance of the Spanish problem. It states exactly what the
Spanish problem is. Here the final decision must lie either with
Bolshevism or the principle of Authority. On the one side stands
ruinous anarchy and, on the other, orderly constructive development."
"Nations which in recent years have kept their eyes closed to
the startling growth of the international Bolshevic menace will one
day experience a terrible awakening from this moral narcosis. The fact
that we, German National Socialists, as conscious and uncompromising
protaganists against the Bolshevic world-front, are still condemned to
play the part of a preacher in the wilderness, calling out to deaf
ears--this cannot prevent us from seeing things as they are and
calling them by their right names. For if the constantly increasing
extension of this Bolshevic infection in Europe should cause still
greater disaster, then future historians will be in a position to
record the fact that we, German National Socialists, were not among
those who allowed themselves to be led astray in the universal chaos
of thought and mental fog purposely created as a sort of smoke-screen
by an insidious epidemic of political propaganda. Nothing could make
us deviate in the least from the straight road we have taken.
"From the very nature of the case it is obvious that the
subversive forces of International Jewry will raise a tumult of rage
when we clearly and dispassionately lay bare the background of this
revolutionary developement which is extending through the world. For,
after all, they are the only people who are drawing profit forn the
chaotic ruin which Bolshevism is bringing upon mankind. That on this
account they will swamp us with a torrrent of abuse and lies and
calumnies is only an honour for us and a further proof that we are
right in warning Europe against this peril."
"The fight which General Franco is waging, with the support of all
the constructive elements, against the Bolshevic menace to his native
land is at the same time a fight for civilization."
"The Moscow Comintern never tires of impressing on public
opinion thoughout the world the theory that the national movement,
which on July 17, 1936, intervened in the seething developements in
Spain, was a military rising oragnised by reactionary generals and
that this rising was definately repudiated by the Spanish people. The
truth however is that this national movement was in reality an act of
self-defence on the part of the people, against the revolt which had
been planned by the Spanish Communist Party for that time and was
subsequently postponed to August 1936. This communist revolt had been
planned in Moscow several years previously, organized from Moscow and
directed from Moscow, and is still being carried out in practice from
Moscow today."
"In 1935 the annual funds which Moscow contributed for the
support of the Communist Party in Spain totalled several million
pesetas, of which two millions were officially acknowledged as having
been paid by the Comintern itself. At the 7th World Congress of the
Comintern in Moscow, in 1935, Dimitroff gave instructions for the
formation of a Front Populaire in Spain. Between February 16 and April
19,1936, 140 people were murdered by gangs of red revolutionaries, and
529 buildings were burned down and destroyed before the Bolshevic
Revolution officially broke out."
"We can account for this baffling style of mutual admiration
between Bolshevism and Western Liberalist Intellectualism only if we
assume it to be some form of mental disease."
"During February and March 101 Russian Soviet aeroplanes were shipped
from Reval to Spain. And on March 1st, 50 heavy guns from Soviet
Russia were brought overland to Almansa. Recently one single large
consignment of was material from Soviet Russia to the Reds in Spain
included 100 heavy tanks, 500 medium-sized tanks, 2000 light tanks,
4000 heavy machine guns, 6000 light machine guns and 300 aeroplanes,
with their pilots."
"I shall now deal with some instances which will help to give an
idea of the extent to which World Liberalism goes in its moral support
of the Reds in Spain. I have already emphasized the fact that the
marriage between Bolshevism and Democracy presents some uncanny
features; indeed one might call them downright perverse. In the
historical developement of its activities Democracy has more and more
become the political facade of World Capitalism. Bolshevism now
carries the democratic principle to its ultimate logical application.
We may call it the Democracy of Terror. It increases the pace of that
sanguinary and pitiless developement of which Liberalism had already
mapped out the path. I might illustrate this point by a rather drastic
comparison. In democracy leading heads were out-voted by the counting
of heads. In Bolshevism the same result is obtained by chopping off
heads with the guillotine. The result in both cases is the same. The
heads are wanting. The masses are robbed of their natural leaders and
left prey to international Jews, who are now free to exercise their
dictatorship by the employment of terrorization and money."
"Pleasing catchwords were used to win the favour of the
workers but when the communist leaders came into power social terror
became the rule of the day. Among the workers and peasant classes
hunger prevailed, as symbol and sign of the Bolshevic rule."
"In keeping with the Soviet Russian pettern, family life and
the instituton of marriage are being ruined by this world plague.
Degradation of married women, the socialization of women, the
martyrdom of children--these are the principles which are in vogue
here."
"According to the 'Daily Mail' of August 22, 1936, Twenty-eight
nuns from the convent of Santa Clara "were subjected to inconceivable
tortures by relays of red maniacs."
"But Bolshevism in practice is nothing better than the most
frightful find of barbarism. It is the outward expression of the
hatred of the underworld agianst all those who are representative of
Western civilization and a cultural level to which Bolshevism can
never hope to attain."
"Among the 20,000 churches and monasteries which the Reds have
plundered and destroyed many were of historical and architectual
significance which cannot be replaced."
"But the churches of the world remain passive to it all and do not
seem to have the least suspicion as to the deadly menace that
threatens them. This is where Bolshevism shows itself again as the
incarnation of evil. Its destructive influence on the popular
religious instinct goes to the very roots of that instinct itself. And
this ruthless atheistic campaign spares nothing whatsoever which might
serve to remind the people of God and religion. The one fact alone
that the Fuerer has saved the German churches from this fate should be
enough to make them feel bound to remain eternally thankful to him.
But instead of this they never tire of going beyond the sphere of
their religious duties, interfering in political matters and making
their influence felt in a way that has no connection whatsoever with
their duties or their divine calling."
"According to indisputable figures based exclusively on
Bolshevic statistics, 42,000 priests have been murdered in Russia. Up
to February 2,1937, approximately 17,000 priests and monks and eleven
bishops were murdered in Spain."
"A Swedish refugee stated, on November 10, 1936: 'I have seen
churches on the walls of which the murdered bodies of women were hung,
nuns that had been beheaded or burned and whose bodies had been nailed
in rows to the church walls."
"The Strassburg paper, 'Der Elsasser', in its issue of
February 27, 1937 published the staggering fact that '50,000 Spanish
children are at the present moment wandering through Spanish
provinces, abandoned and in rags. All public activities for the
welfare of the youth have been abolished. And so the youngsters, very
often no more than four or five years old, are left no alternative.
They stagger along the road in swarms, shivering with cold and are
nothing more than wandering skeletons.'"
"One shudders to think what might happen to humanity if this
system became universal throughout the world."
"Bolshevism and its 'friendly press' throughout the world lose no
opportunity of pointing an accusing finger at the alleged use of
terror in countries which are governed according to the principles of
authority. The whole world gives a cry of agonizing sympathy when, for
example, a Jew in Germany receives a well-earned box on the ears. But
what is this when compared with the terror that disrupts whole
nations"
"Lenin himself, when asked at the 12th Congress of the Red Party,
what were the principles on which Communism relied, answered: 'Murder,
destruction, not a stone to be left in place if its removal should be
to the advantage of the Revolution.'"
"The Jewish Soviet Ambassador in London finds it convenient to
express his moral indignation before the Non-Intervention Committee in
London. The world and the League of Nations are hypocritically
appealed to. Before these tribunals the Jew Litwinow-Finkelstein plays
the part of the civilised philistine and fills Europe with cries of
protest."
"The Intenational Brigades which are sent into action on the Red
Spanish front are commanded by Soviet officers. Their commander was
the Jew, General Kleber."
"We shall not be deterred from pointing to the Jew as the inspirer,
the instigator and the beneficiary of the dreadful catastrophe."
"At Barcelona he sits, in the person of Wladimer Bischitzki as
director of the international oragnization for the smuggling of arms
and munitions, comrades Lurje and Fuchs, of his own racial breed,
sitting by his side. His Paris agents are his racial compatriots,
Fratkin, Rosenfeld and Schapiro. At Hirtenberg in Austria their
collaborator is the Jew, Mandl. In Amsterdam the Jew, Wolf. In
Rotteerdam the Jews, Cohen, Gruenfeld, Kirsch, and Simon. In Denmark
the Jew, Moses Israel Diamant. In Prague the Jews, Kindler, Kahn,
Abter and Hithner. We know them all and we know them well."
"The fact that Western Liberalism closes its eyes to this evil
portent is only a sign of its almost childish naivety."
"A struggle for native land and liberty, for honour and family
and God and religion, for wife and child, for school and upbringing,
for order, moral principle, culture and civilization, for our lives
and our daily bread , has begun. In Germany it has already been
brought to a triumphant issue."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html http://www.nsm88.com/
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15 Jan 2007 02:57:28 AM |
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Topaz wrote:
<snip>
This is propaganda from our neonazi loser who can only quote from
speeches given 65 years ago. Retire them already. The scumbag who gave
them committed suicide to avoid justice. If he's the star you are
hitching your wagon to, you are more pitiful than we thought.
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04 Jan 2007 05:57:34 AM |
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On 3 Jan 2007 10:59:54 -0800, wrote:
Oh yeah, the liberals' new argument tool (emphasis on the "tool"),
calling those who disagree with their ***** "fascists." It's almost as
adorable as their time-honored debating tactic, labeling their
opposition as racists :)
If they aren't fascists what good are they.
By Dr. William Pierce
http://www.natvan.com
"The Jews were very influential in Germany after the First World War.
They were strongly entrenched in the legal profession, in banking, in
advertising and merchandising, in show business, in organized vice, in
publishing and other media. They were trying hard to change the spirit
of Germany. They were pushing modernism in art, music, and literature.
They were pushing for "diversity" and "tolerance." They were
ridiculing German tradition and culture and morality and the German
sense of personal honor, trying hard to make young Germans believe
that it was "cool" to be rootless and cosmopolitan. They were
promoting the same culture of lies that they have been promoting here.
That was the so-called "Weimar" period, because right after the First
World War some important government business, including the
ratification of a new German constitution, took place in the city of
Weimar. The Jews loved the Weimar period, but it was, in fact, the
most degenerate period in Germany's history. The Jews, of course,
didn't think of it as
degenerate. They thought of it as "modern" and "progressive" and
"cool." Really, it was a very Jewish period, where lying was
considered a virtue. The Jews were riding high. Many books have been
written by Jews in America about Weimar Germany, all praising it to
the skies and looking back on it with nostalgia. Even without the
so-called
"Holocaust," they never have forgiven the Nazis for bringing an end to
the Weimar period.
There was a Hollywood film made 30 years ago, in 1972, about Weimar
Germany. The film was called Cabaret, and it starred Liza Minelli. It
depicted Berlin night life, with all its degeneracy, including the
flourishing of homosexuality, and also depicted the fight between the
communists and the Jews and the other proponents of modernism on the
one
hand and the Nazis on the other hand. The Hollywood filmmakers, of
course, were solidly on the side of the degenerates and portrayed the
Nazis as the bad guys, but this film is another example of the Jews
outsmarting themselves. The Jews who made the film saw everything from
their viewpoint, through their own eyes, and the degenerate Gentiles
under their spell also saw things from the Jewish viewpoint, but the
Jews apparently didn't stop to think -- or didn't care -- that a
normal, healthy White person would view things differently. Check it
out for yourself. Cabaret is still available in video stores.
The point I am making is this: In the 1920s, after the First World
War, the Jews were trying to do to Germany what they began doing to
America after the Second World War, in the 1960s. Many Germans, the
healthiest elements in Germany, resisted the Jews' efforts, just as
many Americans have resisted the Jews' efforts in America. In Germany
the Jews were a bit premature. Although they had much of the media
under their control,
they didn't control all of the media. They tried to move too fast. The
healthiest Germans resisted and beat them.
In America, in the 1960s, the Jews had almost total media control
before they began their big push, and they proceeded more carefully.
In America they are winning. The culture of lies has prevailed in
America. It's still possible for Americans to win, but it's going to
be a lot tougher this time. We'd better get started. The first step is
to regain at least partial control of our media, so that we can begin
contradicting the lies. This American Dissident Voices broadcast is a
part of that first step."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html http://www.nsm88.com/
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15 Jan 2007 02:58:16 AM |
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Topaz wrote:
On 3 Jan 2007 10:59:54 -0800, wrote:
Oh yeah, the liberals' new argument tool (emphasis on the "tool"),
calling those who disagree with their ***** "fascists." It's almost as
adorable as their time-honored debating tactic, labeling their
opposition as racists :)
If they aren't fascists what good are they.
<snip fascist propaganda from our resident neonazi>
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02 Jan 2007 11:58:40 AM |
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So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are held
by Christians of moral values? Are you feeling good about the other 64 %
being held under the control of those without moral values and live decadent
lives. If given the choice I think I would choose a moral life and I don't
actively support any one church. Must be the way I was raised in another
Adams household!
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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02 Jan 2007 02:32:32 PM |
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In article <k3xmh.6574$yx6.3669@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> writes:
So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are held
by Christians of moral values?
So are you saying that 64% of Republican committes are held by
people devoid moral values?
I suppose I can't argue with that.
-- cary
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03 Jan 2007 01:45:33 AM |
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:32:32 -0600, Cary Kittrell wrote
(in article <enefh0$aoa$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu>):
In article <k3xmh.6574$yx6.3669@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>
"granitegriz" <granitegriz@earthlink.net> writes:
So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are
held
by Christians of moral values?
So are you saying that 64% of Republican committes are held by
people devoid moral values?
I suppose I can't argue with that.
-- cary
And - with Republicans ranging all the way from "F" to "F" - you know from
Virgil Peckerhead Goode to George "Traitor & Priest of over 3,000 human blood
sacrifices to my power & I'll kill all your children" Bush - there appears to
be a lot of Republicans who were "just joking" when they swore (or affirmed):
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support
and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I
will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
that I take this obligation freely, without any
mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and
that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties
of the office on which I am about to enter: So
help me God.
Although there may be more Republicans who will not let the ***** Bush
destroy the United States and murder our children than people think.
granite anonymous griz is not representative of the Constitution but is
/very/ representative of Goode and Bush.
goode, bush and granite anonymous coward griz had best pray that there is no
no hell because they will suffer the eternal damnation of their God if there
is.
I will support and defend the Constitution
of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic
Goode and Bush would commit suicide if they were true to their oaths or
affirmations. granite anonymous coward griz will just go buy another case of
beer with his welfare money.
Gray Shockley / Who hopes Casey & Schoomaker both
retire & spit in one of Bush's faces /
United States Army (retired)
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03 Jan 2007 10:10:12 AM |
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:58:40 GMT, "granitegriz"
<granitegriz@earthlink.net> wrote:
So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are held
by Christians of moral values?
Um......you can have "high PERSONAL moral
values".......but they insist that government policy
reflect THEIR "values" and enact it into law.
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02 Jan 2007 10:56:01 PM |
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granitegriz wrote:
So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are held
by Christians of moral values? Are you feeling good about the other 64 %
being held under the control of those without moral values and live decadent
lives. If given the choice I think I would choose a moral life and I don't
actively support any one church. Must be the way I was raised in another
Adams household!
You do not have spiritual moral values unless you adopt Christ's
commandments and make your policymaking decision on His Holy Word.
An unjustified War of invasion could be considered an unjustified action
of the mass murder of hundreds of thousands, or half a million or more.
What does Christ say, - what are His Words & Commandments?
Did you stand up and speak His Words & Commandments concerning the
invasion of Iraq?
- udarrell
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WISDOM PRINCIPLED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS -
THE REAL POLITICAL ISSUES and PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
The Powerful Living Wisdom of the Eternal Cosmic Spiritual Principles’
- LET US all live & be guided by those Powerful Spiritual Truths
http://www.udarrell.com/
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03 Jan 2007 10:15:07 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:56:01 GMT, udarrell
<anonymousl@anonymous.com> wrote:
You do not have spiritual moral values unless you adopt Christ's
commandments
What commandments can you prove he said, or had?
In order to believe anything connected with Christ, you
MUST accept the entire legend or story without
proof----a matter of "faith".
That would preclude you from any conclusion as to
someone else's "spiritual moral values" because you
haven't any supportable evidence for someone to
rebut-----you force everyone to accept YOUR measurement
of "values" according to some unprovable standard.
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"When Moses told the children of Israel that he
received the two tables of the commandments from the
hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him,
because they had no other authority for it that his
telling them so."
Thomas Paine,--------- Founder
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"The "commandments" carry no internal evidence of
divinity within them; they carry some good moral
precepts, such as any man qualified to be a law-giver,
or a legislator, could produce himself, without having
to recourse to supernatural intervention"
Thomas Paine,--------- Founder
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03 Jan 2007 11:33:11 AM |
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wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:56:01 GMT, udarrell
<anonymousl@anonymous.com> wrote:
You do not have spiritual moral values unless you adopt Christ's
commandments
What commandments can you prove he said, or had?
When we accept & apply His Word the fruits we desire have a much better
chance of fruition.
You do not have spiritual moral values unless you adopt Christ's
commandments and make your policymaking decisions based on His Holy Word.
An unjustified War of invasion could be considered an unjustified action
of the mass murder of hundreds of thousands, or half a million or more.
- How can you justify an horrifically deadly & destructive action under
any respectable moral standard. -
What does Christ say, - what are His Words & Commandments?
Did you stand up and speak His Words & Commandments concerning the
invasion of Iraq?
- udarrell
In order to believe anything connected with Christ, you
MUST accept the entire legend or story without
proof----a matter of "faith".
That would preclude you from any conclusion as to
someone else's "spiritual moral values" because you
haven't any supportable evidence for someone to
rebut-----you force everyone to accept YOUR measurement
of "values" according to some unprovable standard.
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"When Moses told the children of Israel that he
received the two tables of the commandments from the
hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him,
because they had no other authority for it that his
telling them so."
Thomas Paine,--------- Founder
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"The "commandments" carry no internal evidence of
divinity within them; they carry some good moral
precepts, such as any man qualified to be a law-giver,
or a legislator, could produce himself, without having
to recourse to supernatural intervention"
Thomas Paine,--------- Founder
Concerning mass murder, we are to accept the central moral values of the
New Testament Scriptures.
Doing what is Right results in a win/win equation, doing what is sinful
results in a lose/lose equation, which is the result of invading of Iraq.
Hatred and the Injustices that fuels hatred are the enemies to be
overcome, however,
in this situation -we cannot justify using Weapons of Mass Murder & Mass
Destruction, - using the devils tools will reap horrible results.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/04/06/a_pope_of_peace_and_bushs_war?mode=PF
If you can read & comprehend the meaning of what you have read, then you
should have a good sense of what your moral values ought to be.
I heard no preaching from the pulpit citing Christ's Words before or
after the Iraq invasion, - that it would be or was wrong!
The exception was the late Pope John Paul II, he stood up to Bush &
warned him NOT to invade Iraq, - see the report by clicking the link below.
- udarrell
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WISDOM PRINCIPLED EMPOWERMENT COMMUNICATIONS -
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| User: "Josh Miles" |
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| Title: Re: The Christian Right and the Rise of American Fascism |
02 Jan 2007 02:28:55 PM |
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granitegriz wrote:
So are you saying that it is bad that 36 % of Republican committees are held
by Christians of moral values? Are you feeling good about the other 64 %
being held under the control of those without moral values and live decadent
lives. If given the choice I think I would choose a moral life and I don't
actively support any one church. Must be the way I was raised in another
Adams household!
You have a child's view of the world. Binary thinking is a sign of a
very small mind indeed.
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