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THEOCRAT ALERT This will be the batle ground for the next few years |
They already have at least one, maybe two maybe three USSC justices
calling for removing the Establishment Clause from incorporation
against the states.
This is the goal the theocrats have wanted since 1947
Everywhere you turn now you see this theme in some form or fashion:
(1) remove religion from judicial review from the courts
(2) the BORs only referred to Congress
(3) the attacks on judges, justices the courts in general
You see it more and more on conservative websites
More and more the "talking heads," the bigwigs of the radical
religious right, the theocrats, are talking as one on this
You even see it more and more in UseNet and all the other various chat
and discussion forums
These recent attacks on judges and justices and courts in general all
have the same outcome in mind. That out come is to take religion away
from the courts and end the application of the Establishment Clause
against the states.
That would in effect kill the rule of law given in Everson and every
strict separation of church and state ruling that has been handed down
since Everson.
Constitution Requires Separation Of Church And State
By Tom Barrett (08/27/03)
http://www.americandaily.com/article/1603
For years I have stated that "separation of church and state" does not
exist in the constitution. I was wrong. It does exist - in the
Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. In Article
52: Religion, it states, "In the USSR, the church is separated from
the state." Fortunately for us, we have the US Constitution to protect
us. Unfortunately for us, we have federal judges who interpret the
Constitution like the Episcopal bishops recently interpreted the
Scriptures.
Today in Alabama, because of an unconstitutional ruling by a federal
judge, Eleventh Circuit Judge Myron Thompson, we face a constitutional
crisis. Constitutional attorney Douglas W. Phillips, founder of the
Witherspoon School of Law and Public Policy, defines a constitutional
crisis as "...a showdown between competing governmental
jurisdictions," in his article supporting Justice Moore's stand. He
continues, "This showdown is all the more likely if the Governor of
Alabama sticks to his principles and supports Chief Justice Moore
against the unconstitutional order of the 11th Circuit Court."
The order is unconstitutional because under the United States
Constitution, each state has the right to govern its own affairs. The
Preamble to the Alabama State Constitution reads, "We, the people of
the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, insure domestic
tranquility, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our
posterity, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain
and establish the following Constitution and form of government for
the State of Alabama." Justice Moore would violate his oath to defend
the Constitution of Alabama were he to fail to acknowledge God.
More important, the order is unconstitutional because the federal
government (specifically the Congress) is prohibited from regulating
religion in any way. The First Amendment reads, "Congress shall make
no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the
free exercise therof." As Moore has pointed out, he is not Congress,
and no law has been passed. He is simply acknowledging the source of
law, God Almighty. That is what has many judges all across the land
red-faced with anger. They consider themselves the ultimate authority.
How dare anyone - even God - claim to be a higher authority than they?
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads area of Virginia you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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| Title: Re: THEOCRAT ALERT This will be the batle ground for the next few years |
22 Aug 2005 12:04:35 PM |
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"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote:
:|> They already have at least one, maybe two maybe three USSC justices
:|> calling for removing the Establishment Clause from incorporation
:|> against the states.
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:|How many times do you have to be told
I don't pay much attention to anything you post.
What you say is totally irrelevant.
I see no evidence at all in anything you post or have posted that leads me
to conclude you are any kind of informed person that anyone should lend any
credibility or credence to on the topics you post on.
Your use of Keyes as your authority speaks volumes about where you are
coming from and what you are about
"Fred says" is the same tripe one can find coming from any ultra
conservative, ultra libertarian, radical religious right theocratic source.
Your Jefferson quoties do not impress me, in many ways Jefferson was
brilliant but in other ways he was as human and as incorrect as any other
person. He had a view of America that was unrealistic in some areas.
I see you as a radical religious right theocratic troll. I don't see where
you are winning many converts. I am sure others of your ilk love your
trolling while those who know better don't pay you much mind. I don't see
many, if any in between those two camps flocking to your side/
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:| The essay referenced below shows the
:|relationship between the 1st and 10th Amendments and religion:
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:|http://www.renewamerica.us/readings/keyes_essay.htm
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I wonder if fred has noticed that I made his plugging for Keyes more honest
and accurate for the past week or more each time I found his plugging
mantra?
"fred" <clarma1@gmail.com> wrote:
:|Separationists and tyrant judges don't want people to know that the
:|10th Amendment actually reserved the power to address religion for the
:|states since the 1st Amendment explicitly prohibited this power to the
:|federal government.
:| The [ Radical Religious Right Theocratic propagandistic ]
:|essay referenced by the link below explains
:|the 1st and 10th Amendments with respect to religion:
:|http://www.renewamerica.us/readings/keyes_essay.htm
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Meet another theocrat
Meet Alan L. Keyes
Home site
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/index.htm
Religious Liberty as defined by him
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/religious_liberty.htm
Alan Keyes / Alan Dershowitz
Does Organized Religion Hold Answers to the Problems of the 21st Century?
Debate, September 27, 2000
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/speeches/00_09_27debate.htm
Alan Keyes
On the establishment of religion: What the Constitution really says
August 26, 2003
http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/columns/03_08_26wnd.htm
Positions on Particular Issues
http://www.ourfounder.com/haque/keyes.htm
* Abortion & Euthanasia
* Affirmative Action
* Homosexual Rights
* Religion / School Prayer
* School Choice
* Second Amendment Rights
* Sex Education
* Taxes & Government Spending
* United Nations
* Welfare / Family Disintegration
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buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote in message
The Tenth Amendment was altered so that it really isn't as clear as many
people seem to think
(1) THE TENTH AMENDMENT
(2) THE BILL OF RIGHTS & THE TENTH AMENDMENT,
(3) THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS TO UNDERMINE WHAT THE FOUNDERS PASSED BY
ADDING THE WORD EXPRESSLY TO THE TENTH AMENDMENT: THE BATTLE OVER THE TENTH
AMENDMENT: OPENING A SECOND FRONT
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.religion.christianity/msg/45713c229fe82b90?hl=en&
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PART V
ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE:, EVERSON & FOOTNOTES TO EVERSON
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.education/msg/a554494414aff8a5?hl=en&lr=
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I said it was modified, not revoked. The 1st reads, "Congress shall
make no law ...". The 14th reads "No State shall make ... any law ..."
The 14th modifies the 1st to effectively read, "Congress and the
States shall make no law ..."
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:55:12 -0500
From: Josh Rosenbluth to fred
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Fourteenth Amendment, Selective Incorporation
http://candst.tripod.com/14thamend.htm
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members]
For people in Hampton Roads area of Virginia you are also invited to join
NORFOLK/VA. B. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE MEETUP GROUP
http://churchandstate.meetup.com/47/
Virginia Chapter Americans United for Separation of Church and State
http://au-va.org/
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
"Dedicated to combatting 'history by sound bite'."
Now including a re-publication of Tom Peters
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE HOME PAGE
and
Audio links to Supreme Court oral arguments and
Speech by civil rights/constitutional lawyer and others.
This site is a member of the following web rings:
Freethought Ring--&--Freethought, Religion & Beliefs Ring
The First Amendment Ring--&--The Church-State Ring
American History WebRing--&--The History Ring
Let Freedom Ring--&--Religious Freedom Ring
Law Issues Ring--&--Legal Research Ring
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| User: "fred" |
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| Title: Re: THEOCRAT ALERT This will be the batle ground for the next few years |
22 Aug 2005 01:03:24 AM |
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wrote:
They already have at least one, maybe two maybe three USSC justices
calling for removing the Establishment Clause from incorporation
against the states.
How many times do you have to be told that basic reading skills and
some self-honesty will tell you that the establishment clause only
applies to the laws that Congress makes? The only reason that you're
upset that the USSC is going to "tamper" with the establishment clause
is because you continue to deny how section 1 of the 14th Amendment,
not the establishment clause, protects your personal federal rights
from abuse by state governments.
This is the goal the theocrats have wanted since 1947
Everywhere you turn now you see this theme in some form or fashion:
(1) remove religion from judicial review from the courts
The courts need to protect our personal federal rights from abuse by
state governments.
(2) the BORs only referred to Congress
The federal government has the federal BOR and the state governments
have their BOR's. See how the Gideon v Wainwright opinion, for
example, refers to the BOR as the federal BOR.
Gideon v Wainwright
http://tinyurl.com/9gyuz
(3) the attacks on judges, justices the courts in general
Judges who are swearing to defend the Constitution are turning around
and ignoring the Constitution. These judges have no business on the
bench. Thomas Jefferson warned about such judges:
"One single object... [will merit] the endless gratitude of society:
that of restraining the judges from usurping legislation." --Thomas
Jefferson to Edward Livingston, 1825. ME 16:113
You see it more and more on conservative websites
More and more the "talking heads," the bigwigs of the radical
religious right, the theocrats, are talking as one on this
You even see it more and more in UseNet and all the other various chat
and discussion forums
These recent attacks on judges and justices and courts in general all
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