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26 Apr 2006 05:41:09 AM |
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'Thou shalt not remove |
'Thou shalt not remove …'
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060422/OPINION02/604220311/-1/OPINION
Toledo Blade - Toledo,OH,USA
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THE Ten Commandments marker on the Lucas County Courthouse lawn can remain
where it has stood for nearly 50 years. Even though we strongly support the
separation of church and state, we hope the marker will stay there for
good.
U.S. District Judge James Carr's ruling to allow its continued display was
proper, and it is likely to withstand further constitutional scrutiny.
That's because it was closely modeled after last June's U.S. Supreme Court
decision in a similar case at the Texas state capitol.
The high court found in a 5-4 decision that a similar monument in Austin
was placed as a historical commemoration in 1961. The nonsectarian motive
behind erecting that monument is what led the Supreme Court - though in a
close vote - to allow the monument to stay.
However, the court ruled unconstitutional the placement of commandments
markers in two Kentucky counties. That ruling was based on the fact that
the markers were erected during debates about church-state separation.
The two decisions could confuse casual observers. But the significant
difference between them had strong bearing on the Lucas County case, which
was filed in 2002 by the American Civil Liberties Union.
Judge Carr noted that the granite marker was placed in 1957 with secular
and not religious intent. No religious representatives were present when
the monument was dedicated. The elected officials who attended the event
apparently agreed with the Fraternal Order of Eagles' hope that the
monument would discourage juvenile delinquency.
It's also necessary to point out that the marker on the lawn at the corner
of Erie and Adams streets sits near a display of the Bill of Rights.
The Ten Commandments are indeed a cornerstone of Judeo-Christian
principles.
However, the monument was not erected to promote a sectarian message. The
principles of honoring one's parents, not murdering, stealing, bearing
false witness, or craving another's possessions are rules that should be
embraced by everyone, including Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists alike. In
fact, most of the commandments serve as the basis of our legal system.
The ACLU has not said whether it will appeal the decision. We say: Let it
go. Let the marker stand.
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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| User: "Shelly Levine The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: 'Thou shalt not remove |
26 Apr 2006 06:14:54 AM |
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'Thou shalt not remove …'
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: 'Thou shalt not remove |
26 Apr 2006 06:19:58 AM |
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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:41:09 -0400, wrote:
However, the monument was not erected to promote a sectarian message. The
principles of honoring one's parents, not murdering, stealing, bearing
false witness, or craving another's possessions are rules that should be
embraced by everyone, including Buddhists, Hindus, and atheists alike. In
fact, most of the commandments serve as the basis of our legal system.
*****. The one at the top is about what deity to worship. And the
legal system is based on English PRE-CHRISTIAN common law.
Why can't these loonies show the least shred of honesty?
The ACLU has not said whether it will appeal the decision. We say: Let it
go. Let the marker stand.
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