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Sociology > Education |
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"Mjkenoyer" |
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04 Nov 2004 01:43:06 PM |
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To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
....because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 07:49:40 PM |
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"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse,
How does going to the UN and other foreign powers seeking permission to
defend ourselves lead to a better vision.
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| User: "Brigid Nelson" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 08:49:33 PM |
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Dana wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse,
How does going to the UN and other foreign powers seeking permission to
defend ourselves lead to a better vision.
How many times can what Kerry said about internation approval be taken
out of context and used to insinuate that Kerry wouldn't go after
terrorists. Kerry simply stated that it's a good idea to have some
tacit international understanding of why you want a war. Agreement that
the war is necessary is also nice because it leads to coalition
building. You know, real allies who are willing to send more than 8,631
troops to support us.
If you will recall, the world was ready to go with us to Afganistan -
where the terrorists were. But George was looking for justification to
raid in Iraq. He'd been looking for it since day one. He lied, we've
lost troops and killed thousands of Iraqis and this war is the greatest
boon to terrorist recruitment Osama's ever had.
brigdi
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| User: "Dana" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 11:25:33 PM |
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"Brigid Nelson" <irjapear@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ZfmdnfWjSrIWdBfcRVn-2w@comcast.com...
Dana wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse,
How does going to the UN and other foreign powers seeking permission to
defend ourselves lead to a better vision.
How many times can what Kerry said about internation approval be taken
out of context
It is not being taken out of context.
Why do you guys on the left keep lying about what he said.
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| User: "Mike Flannigan" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
05 Nov 2004 12:17:24 AM |
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"Brigid Nelson" <irjapear@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ZfmdnfWjSrIWdBfcRVn-2w@comcast.com...
Dana wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse,
How does going to the UN and other foreign powers seeking permission to
defend ourselves lead to a better vision.
How many times can what Kerry said about internation approval be taken out
of context and used to insinuate that Kerry wouldn't go after terrorists.
Kerry simply stated that it's a good idea to have some tacit international
understanding of why you want a war. Agreement that the war is necessary
is also nice because it leads to coalition building. You know, real
allies who are willing to send more than 8,631 troops to support us.
How do you build a coalition with people that are in bed with Saddam? You
say "real" allies that are willing to send troops, but guess what? The US
didn't ask France to send single troop, or a spend a single dime. All we
asked is that they support us with a UN vote and they slapped us in the
face. You're naive to think France was ever our ally.
If you will recall, the world was ready to go with us to Afganistan -
where the terrorists were. But George was looking for justification to
raid in Iraq. He'd been looking for it since day one. He lied, we've
lost troops and killed thousands of Iraqis and this war is the greatest
boon to terrorist recruitment Osama's ever had.
brigdi
That must be why we haven't had a major terrorist event since 9/11 and the
best Osama could muster (unlike Madrid) was a pathetic Osama on Al Jazeera
campaigning for Kerry tape. Before 9/11 the Bush administration argued
against going into Iraq. They echoed the policy of the Clinton
administration that Iraq's ability to deliver WMD's was "degraded" in the 98
bombing.
After 9/11 all our preconceived notions of what constituted a delivery
system was completely erased. 9/11 changed everything. It's as simple as
that. No conspiracy. No lies. Except for those told by Kerry and the dems of
course.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
05 Nov 2004 08:01:26 AM |
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In our last episode, <UVEid.22457$IE1.18917@fe1.texas.rr.com>, the
lovely and talented Mike Flannigan broadcast on alt.true-crime:
How do you build a coalition with people that are in bed with Saddam? You
say "real" allies that are willing to send troops, but guess what? The US
didn't ask France to send single troop, or a spend a single dime. All we
asked is that they support us with a UN vote and they slapped us in the
face. You're naive to think France was ever our ally.
At that very time, French troops were in Afghanistan, and some of them
were dying.
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Quoting me will give your meaningless drivel a little color, no pun intended.
-- "Fineous"
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| User: "John Slade" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 05:01:20 PM |
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"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
Trying to reason with some people from The Dumb Belt is useless. All you
get from them is venom. To read what they post, it's like they lost. They'll
get what's coming to them. I hope when the draft happens, they start looking
for them first.
John
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| User: "Mike Flannigan" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 10:18:22 PM |
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"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:4xyid.17865$6q2.7363@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
Trying to reason with some people from The Dumb Belt is useless. All
you
get from them is venom. To read what they post, it's like they lost.
They'll
get what's coming to them. I hope when the draft happens, they start
looking
for them first.
John
No, they won't draft us first. The plan is to look to the blue states first.
We know you guys went against us so everyone 18 - 35 in CA, MA etc. goes
first. In fact, that's all that goes. Not that you would fight but you'll
make good cannon fodder. Give the patriots over there now a bit of a tea
break. That, and make it an even easer win come the next election.
That is of course unless you'd like to make some sort of secession deal.
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 05:39:18 PM |
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John Slade wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
Trying to reason with some people from The Dumb Belt is useless.
I'll try the same questions on you that were in that poll of liberals
vs. conservatives that I cited:
1. Overall, from 1789 thru 2000 (I'm deliberately leaving out the Bush
Administration), do you think the U.S. did more good than harm in the
world, or more harm in the world?
2. Do you believe the U.S. back in the 1990's was a fundamentally fair
and decent country?
3. Do you believe the U.S. is a great country?
4. Would other nations be better off if they were more like the U.S.?
Go ahead, this should be very interesting.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email:
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 10:37:36 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:01:20 -0600, John Slade wrote
(in message <4xyid.17865$6q2.7363@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>):
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
Trying to reason with some people from The Dumb Belt is useless. All you
get from them is venom. To read what they post, it's like they lost. They'll
get what's coming to them. I hope when the draft happens, they start looking
for them first.
John
I'd always wondered what the "J", in J Edgar Hoover stood for.
Did you help Nixon with his "Enemies List"?
The one point in favor of your political draft is that, at least, the
military would be getting its members from the more intelligent of the young
and middle aged draft group (ages 55-25).
gray
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| User: "El Chingaderro" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 02:58:31 PM |
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"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Take the cold war
for an example. After the big threat of the USSR was gone, that's when they
searched for another enemy and started focusing on liberals. Now liberals
and their causes have been villianized to the point where Kerry had to
defend himself for being a liberal and Bush didn't have to defend himself
for being a conservative. With conservatives everything is black and white,
so if you are not with them you are an enemy supporting all the straw men
described in the post above. Maybe we will eventually come to realize that
conservatives have picked their own countrymen as enemies and turn the
corner.
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| User: "Scott Marquardt" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 03:50:58 PM |
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El Chingaderro opined thusly on Nov 4:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well that's quite a contrast with liberals, then, who this year cast Bush
as the enemy of the freakin' free world and couldn't find traction with
voters as a consequence. In other words, if liberals DO have an enemy,
their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Go figure. ;-)
Take the cold war
for an example. After the big threat of the USSR was gone, that's when they
searched for another enemy and started focusing on liberals. Now liberals
and their causes have been villianized to the point where Kerry had to
defend himself for being a liberal and Bush didn't have to defend himself
for being a conservative. With conservatives everything is black and white,
Let's see -- liberals, it's a rainbow, conservatives, it's black and white.
Isn't that also binary thinking? ;-)
so if you are not with them you are an enemy supporting all the straw men
described in the post above.
Isn't that the argument Dems were making against Nader this year? If you're
not with us by bowing out, you're ag'in us so we'll hate on ya?
Maybe we will eventually come to realize that
conservatives have picked their own countrymen as enemies and turn the
corner.
LOL
This from the camp that embraced the likes of Michael Moore?
Do you freakin' realize that your party parked Moore's ***** in the chair --
or nearly so -- of the man who brokered one of the most important peace
deals in the Middle East -- a deal that cost Sadat his life? What the hell
is Moore doing sitting there? Talk about dividing America. Moore destroyed
your effort to elect Kerry, by instilling fear and loathing of the tinfoil
hat brigade in the populace at large. If Bush's enemies are that ludicrous,
how bad can Bush possibly be? Gee, we better rethink this.
--
Scott
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| User: "A Warm Fuzzy" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 04:47:03 PM |
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"Scott Marquardt" <wasREMOVEket5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10pkw8b1dwfzy.dlg@marquardts.org...
El Chingaderro opined thusly on Nov 4:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well that's quite a contrast with liberals, then, who this year cast Bush
as the enemy of the freakin' free world and couldn't find traction with
voters as a consequence.
They found traction with damn near half of them, many tired of liberal being
used as a bad word.
In other words, if liberals DO have an enemy,
their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Go figure. ;-)
If you want they fair shake on liberals, their problem is that they want to
play the role of the protector of victims. This means that the democrats are
a motly crew of victims with beliefs all over the board and the party to
busy trying to make them all happy to fight back against the republicans.
This is why I'm an independant, because I don't think either group is
righteous enough to villianize the other in such broad strokes.
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| User: "Scott Marquardt" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 05:20:22 PM |
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A Warm Fuzzy opined thusly on Nov 4:
"Scott Marquardt" <wasREMOVEket5@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10pkw8b1dwfzy.dlg@marquardts.org...
El Chingaderro opined thusly on Nov 4:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well that's quite a contrast with liberals, then, who this year cast Bush
as the enemy of the freakin' free world and couldn't find traction with
voters as a consequence.
They found traction with damn near half of them, many tired of liberal being
used as a bad word.
Shouldn't've made it one, then. Its pedigree is undeserving of its later
heirs, that's for sure.
In other words, if liberals DO have an enemy,
their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Go figure. ;-)
If you want they fair shake on liberals, their problem is that they want to
play the role of the protector of victims.
Or the pandering to African Americans -- take your pick. Geez what a party.
This means that the democrats are
a motly crew of victims with beliefs all over the board and the party to
busy trying to make them all happy to fight back against the republicans.
This is why I'm an independant, because I don't think either group is
righteous enough to villianize the other in such broad strokes.
A fair judgment, quite possibly.
--
Scott
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| User: "mhirtes" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 02:09:18 PM |
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In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
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| User: "Julian D." |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 03:57:31 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:09:18 -0600, mhirtes <mh@spammersarescum.com>
wrote:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Hi Mike! Underestimated Bush again I see. AND you underestimated the
American electorate.
How can you live with yourself?
Apologize for being so wrongheaded please. We can still be friends.
I'm compassionate.
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
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| User: "A Warm Fuzzy" |
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04 Nov 2004 04:51:02 PM |
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"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:k79lo0hhe3ka7t2m315gka7g8c2o6n3nvv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:09:18 -0600, mhirtes <mh@spammersarescum.com>
wrote:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Hi Mike! Underestimated Bush again I see. AND you underestimated the
American electorate.
How can you live with yourself?
Apologize for being so wrongheaded please. We can still be friends.
I'm compassionate.
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
Doesn't say much for the electorate, does it, moron?
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| User: "Julian D." |
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04 Nov 2004 07:03:18 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:02 -0800, "A Warm Fuzzy"
<MeDaFuzzie@corporalcrust.com> wrote:
"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:k79lo0hhe3ka7t2m315gka7g8c2o6n3nvv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:09:18 -0600, mhirtes <mh@spammersarescum.com>
wrote:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Hi Mike! Underestimated Bush again I see. AND you underestimated the
American electorate.
How can you live with yourself?
Apologize for being so wrongheaded please. We can still be friends.
I'm compassionate.
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
Doesn't say much for the electorate, does it, moron?
The democrats kept saying Bush was an 'idiot'. And their guy lost to
him.
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| User: "A Warm Fuzzy" |
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05 Nov 2004 02:31:38 PM |
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"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:a9klo0d74dqg8ck0lvte7kaupbopa9u4j5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 14:51:02 -0800, "A Warm Fuzzy"
<MeDaFuzzie@corporalcrust.com> wrote:
"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:k79lo0hhe3ka7t2m315gka7g8c2o6n3nvv@4ax.com...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:09:18 -0600, mhirtes <mh@spammersarescum.com>
wrote:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to
live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being
"un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are.
We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's
future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to
live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you
feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they
don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Hi Mike! Underestimated Bush again I see. AND you underestimated the
American electorate.
How can you live with yourself?
Apologize for being so wrongheaded please. We can still be friends.
I'm compassionate.
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
Doesn't say much for the electorate, does it, moron?
The democrats kept saying Bush was an 'idiot'. And their guy lost to
him.
No one ever got rich betting on the relative intelligence of voters. Bush
should thank god for dumb people.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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05 Nov 2004 01:39:13 PM |
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In our last episode, <10onl8tq99din2c@corp.supernews.com>, the lovely
and talented A Warm Fuzzy broadcast on alt.true-crime:
No one ever got rich betting on the relative intelligence of voters. Bush
should thank god for dumb people.
Or, as my cousin Adlai said when told he would get the vote of
every thinking person: "It is not enough. I need a majority."
--
Lars Eighner -finger for geek code- http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Quoting me will give your meaningless drivel a little color, no pun intended.
-- "Fineous"
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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04 Nov 2004 10:47:15 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:03:18 -0600, Julian D. wrote
(in message <a9klo0d74dqg8ck0lvte7kaupbopa9u4j5@4ax.com>):
The democrats kept saying Bush was an 'idiot'. And their guy lost to
him.
From a Democrat in another election:
Supporter: "That was wonderful, Governor Stevenson; every thinking American
will vote for you."
Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, we need a majority.
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| User: "Ashland Henderson" |
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06 Nov 2004 02:40:28 PM |
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Julian D. <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message news:<k79lo0hhe3ka7t2m315gka7g8c2o6n3nvv@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:09:18 -0600, mhirtes <mh@spammersarescum.com>
wrote:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Hi Mike! Underestimated Bush again I see. AND you underestimated the
American electorate.
Actually he appears to have overestimated the American electorate.
How can you live with yourself?
I don't know about him, personally I'm quite happy with myself.
Apologize for being so wrongheaded please. We can still be friends.
I'm compassionate.
Now that's one of the funiest things I've heard you say yet.
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
And you should still be careful about getting what you wish for.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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04 Nov 2004 10:26:13 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:57:31 -0600, Julian D. wrote
(in message <k79lo0hhe3ka7t2m315gka7g8c2o6n3nvv@4ax.com>):
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
YOUR guy lost to an 'idiot,' jackass.
An excellent point.
gray
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| User: "Scott Marquardt" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 03:51:47 PM |
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mhirtes opined thusly on Nov 4:
In article <10ol2fi5l2dapd3@corp.supernews.com>,
"El Chingaderro" <Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters.
Well guess what? They have no opposition to worry about this time. So
when get sour? Who are they going to scapegoat?
Be careful for what you wish for, rightards. You just got it!
As glad to have it as you are to cede it. Thanks!
--
Scott
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| User: "Julian D." |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 03:53:46 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:58:31 -0800, "El Chingaderro"
<Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Take the cold war
for an example. After the big threat of the USSR was gone, that's when they
searched for another enemy and started focusing on liberals.
Lack of war or conflict does not define ' peace'.
Now liberals
and their causes have been villianized to the point where Kerry had to
defend himself for being a liberal and Bush didn't have to defend himself
for being a conservative. With conservatives everything is black and white,
so if you are not with them you are an enemy supporting all the straw men
described in the post above. Maybe we will eventually come to realize that
conservatives have picked their own countrymen as enemies and turn the
corner.
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| User: "A Warm Fuzzy" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 04:50:01 PM |
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"Julian D." <jules@ersatz.com> wrote in message
news:n49lo0l6m86174nt3d3f3nka65n0pjoor5@4ax.com...
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:58:31 -0800, "El Chingaderro"
<Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Take the cold war
for an example. After the big threat of the USSR was gone, that's when
they
searched for another enemy and started focusing on liberals.
Lack of war or conflict does not define ' peace'.
Obviously for conservatives it does not. So much so that they will turn on
their countrymen and try to force everyone into lock-step with them.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 10:25:16 PM |
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:53:46 -0600, Julian D. wrote
(in message <n49lo0l6m86174nt3d3f3nka65n0pjoor5@4ax.com>):
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 12:58:31 -0800, "El Chingaderro"
<Thechinger@albany.com> wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
Because with conservatives it's all about having enemies. If they don't
have
an enemy their policies fail to appeal to their voters. Take the cold war
for an example. After the big threat of the USSR was gone, that's when
they
searched for another enemy and started focusing on liberals.
Lack of war or conflict does not define ' peace'.
Unless one reads Ambrose Bierce.
gray
Now liberals
and their causes have been villianized to the point where Kerry had to
defend himself for being a liberal and Bush didn't have to defend himself
for being a conservative. With conservatives everything is black and
white,
so if you are not with them you are an enemy supporting all the straw men
described in the post above. Maybe we will eventually come to realize that
conservatives have picked their own countrymen as enemies and turn the
corner.
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| User: "Mike Flannigan" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 02:48:34 PM |
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"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
John Kerry told the world that the President of the US lied about the
reasons for going to war in Iraq. Yet Kerry himself said Saddam had WMD's
before and after Bush was elected. Kerry thought Saddam had WMD's just like
Bush and countless other democrats did. Kerry told a lie that was extremely
damaging to his country to get elected. Why would someone who loves their
country do that? What Kerry did was un-American.
Kerry kept saying that the President of the US failed to get the
co-operation of countries like France. But Kerry knows that France was knee
deep in the oil for food scandal and was on the take from Saddam. Why would
someone who loves his country blame his own country first rather than blame
the corrupt countries that lent aid and comfort to Saddam? Enough aid and
comfort that Saddam believed he could defy us. What Kerry did was
un-American.
Why would you support a man for president who put his political ambitions
ahead of his country? Naivety?
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| User: "Mjkenoyer" |
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07 Nov 2004 03:00:30 PM |
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"Mike Flannigan" <mikef@flanniganelectric.com> wrote in message news:<10ol5cucib2psfe@corp.supernews.com>...
John Kerry told the world that the President of the US lied about the
reasons for going to war in Iraq. Yet Kerry himself said Saddam had WMD's
before and after Bush was elected. Kerry thought Saddam had WMD's just like
Bush and countless other democrats did. Kerry told a lie that was extremely
damaging to his country to get elected. Why would someone who loves their
country do that?
Emmmm...because Kerry had initially _believed_ in what his President
was telling everyone. And then the truth came out.
Kerry kept saying that the President of the US failed to get the
co-operation of countries like France. But Kerry knows that France was knee
deep in the oil for food scandal and was on the take from Saddam. Why would
someone who loves his country blame his own country first rather than blame
the corrupt countries that lent aid and comfort to Saddam?
I remember a time when _we_ lent aid and comfort to
Saddam...particularly when he was fighting off the fundamentalists in
Iran. That is a horrible truth about our country that a lot of people
can't accept.
The world IS better off without an evil ***** like Saddam. I'm not
arguing that. It's the manner in which we outsted Saddam that has
troubled me.
Why would you support a man for president who put his political ambitions
ahead of his country? Naivety?
Bush and Kerry are both politicians--they *both* put their political
ambitions first. And you don't think Bush is guilty of doing this as
well?
One word: Fallujah.
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| User: "Julian D." |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
07 Nov 2004 05:18:51 PM |
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On 7 Nov 2004 13:00:30 -0800, (Mjkenoyer) wrote:
"Mike Flannigan" <mikef@flanniganelectric.com> wrote in message news:<10ol5cucib2psfe@corp.supernews.com>...
John Kerry told the world that the President of the US lied about the
reasons for going to war in Iraq. Yet Kerry himself said Saddam had WMD's
before and after Bush was elected. Kerry thought Saddam had WMD's just like
Bush and countless other democrats did. Kerry told a lie that was extremely
damaging to his country to get elected. Why would someone who loves their
country do that?
Emmmm...because Kerry had initially _believed_ in what his President
was telling everyone. And then the truth came out.
Kerry kept saying that the President of the US failed to get the
co-operation of countries like France. But Kerry knows that France was knee
deep in the oil for food scandal and was on the take from Saddam. Why would
someone who loves his country blame his own country first rather than blame
the corrupt countries that lent aid and comfort to Saddam?
I remember a time when _we_ lent aid and comfort to
Saddam...particularly when he was fighting off the fundamentalists in
Iran. That is a horrible truth about our country that a lot of people
can't accept.
The world IS better off without an evil ***** like Saddam. I'm not
arguing that. It's the manner in which we outsted Saddam that has
troubled me.
"Knowing what you know now (about wmd), would you still have gone to
war?"
Kerry: "yes".
Why would you support a man for president who put his political ambitions
ahead of his country? Naivety?
Bush and Kerry are both politicians--they *both* put their political
ambitions first. And you don't think Bush is guilty of doing this as
well?
One word: Fallujah.
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| User: "Brigid Nelson" |
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| Title: Re: To All Conservatives: Why do you think we liberals hate America? |
04 Nov 2004 03:53:39 PM |
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Mike Flannigan wrote:
"Mjkenoyer" <boofdahpoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ab5857a.0411041143.2df367a6@posting.google.com...
...because we don't. Many of us campaigned for John Kerry and John
Edwards because we believed in their vision for a _better_, not a
worse, America that would reach out to the poor and disenfranchised
and build a stronger, team-oriented relationship with our allies re:
the war on terrorism.
I am not a hippie, Godless, pinko, Commie, slacker, lazy-*****
stereotype that people of the Karl Rove variety like to paint us. My
husband and I (and all of my friends who volunteered in the
Kerry/Edwards campaign) are tax-paying, law-abiding, full-time,
gainful job-working Americans who feel privileged and grateful to live
in a free country such as this. We just wish we could talk about our
opinions freely without being unduly attacked for being "un-American".
We are just as worried about our nation's moral compass as you are. We
are just as nervous about terrorist threats and our children's future
under them as you are. We want our children and grandchildren to live
in a beautiful, compassionate, and safe place--just like you do. We
want that shining city on a hill that Reagan spoke of so many years
ago--we simply differ in how we want to get there. Is that so wrong?
So let me ask you again: why specifically do you think we hate
America? Because we simply don't, and want to understand why you feel
that way.
John Kerry told the world that the President of the US lied about the
reasons for going to war in Iraq. Yet Kerry himself said Saddam had WMD's
before and after Bush was elected. Kerry thought Saddam had WMD's just like
Bush and countless other democrats did. Kerry told a lie that was extremely
damaging to his country to get elected. Why would someone who loves their
country do that? What Kerry did was un-American.
Do you really not understand that Kerry got his information from the
administration. The administration was lying to congress. Kerry
believed what he was told by the administration and supported the
administration's policies until he learned the truth. Your guy will
never ever change his opinion based on learning new facts, and I don't
see that as a positive trait.
I remember Bush stating that the first thing we needed to do was to let
the UN inspectors investigate. When they didn't give him the answer
that he wanted he disregarded them and went in anyway. He knew there
were no WMDs long before anyone else did. He didn't care he was looking
for any excuse to invade Iraq. If the Saudi terrorists hadn't taken out
the twin towers he would have found some other reason to do it.
You do understand that lying to congress is impeachable. Why is the
republican majority less inclined to investigate the documented lies of
the POTUS than they were to examine Clinton's cigars?
Kerry kept saying that the President of the US failed to get the
co-operation of countries like France. But Kerry knows that France was knee
deep in the oil for food scandal and was on the take from Saddam. Why would
someone who loves his country blame his own country first rather than blame
the corrupt countries that lent aid and comfort to Saddam? Enough aid and
comfort that Saddam believed he could defy us. What Kerry did was
un-American.
Saying that France was knee-deep in the food for oil scandal is like
saying that the US was knee deep in it because Halliburton was involved.
Just like in the US, the French government does not own the
corporations in France who were benefitting from the scandalous situation.
Why would you support a man for president who put his political ambitions
ahead of his country? Naivety?
Good question. Why did you support Bush?
brigid
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