Sociology > Education > Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private
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28 Jul 2003 09:40:34 AM |
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Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private |
Today's Founder Quote:
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are
injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there
are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
--Thomas Jefferson
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Thomas Jefferson isn't bothered by the majorities belief of One God or how
He may influence Jeffersons' economic or physical condition, so how is it
that Liberalism and the ACLU have wrongly interpreted 'Separation of Church
and State' to mean government should be absent of Thee Higher Ruling
Authority or good people who 'try' to live by Biblical prencipals of
Liberty?
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is
liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17
The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred
as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice
to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.
--John Adams
The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected, in one
indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of
Christianity.
--John Quincy Adams
CB
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| Title: Re: Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate wherepeople choose to worship whether in public or in private |
28 Jul 2003 03:10:53 PM |
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CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030728115918.16083H-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
Today's Founder Quote:
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are
injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say
there
are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my
leg."
--Thomas Jefferson
where is the citation?
First answer my question on how Liberals have misinterpreted separation.
Can't - it only happened in your imagination.
Evasion noted.
"Although the Constitution says the government cannot "establish" or promote
religion, the framers did not intend for God to be stripped from public
life..."
-- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
http://web.raex.com/~gkmiller/scalia01.htm
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD: and the people whom he hath
chosen for his own inheritance.
-- Psalms 33:12
Thomas Jefferson isn't bothered by the majorities [sic] belief of One
God or how He may influence Jeffersons' [sic] economic or physical
condition, so how is it that Liberalism and the ACLU have wrongly
interpreted 'Separation of Church and State' to mean government should be
absent of Thee [sic] Higher Ruling Authority or good people who 'try' to
live by Biblical prencipals [sic] of Liberty?>>
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
Please give examples of what you claim.
How has any god influenced Jefferson's economic or physical condition?
Who has tried to prohibit good people who 'try' to live by Biblical
Principles?
Um, what are Biblical principles of "Liberty."
Where in the Bible do you find an endorsement of liberty or democracy?
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29 Jul 2003 01:28:00 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:40:34 -0400, "CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
Today's Founder Quote:
Thomas Jefferson isn't bothered
You dumb *****
No one is interested in what a "founder said"
The ONLY relevant issue is the constitution, once put into place, is a self contained
system of government
What the "founders said", or "thought", before, during or after the constitution was
adopted isn't relevant or legally binding on anyone.
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"Unfrozen Caveman Politician Gore":
<CB@prayforme.com> wrote:
No one wants a foul mouthed ***** working for him, no matter
what skin he wears.
I've owned and sold two landscape businesses for more money
that you'll earn in 20 years. I have employed hundreds if
not thousands of people. I know a ***** after just a
short time hearing him talk, work and complain.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private |
28 Jul 2003 04:07:43 PM |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
Today's Founder Quote:
where is the citation?
First answer my question on how Liberals have misinterpreted separation.
Ask a "Liberal."
Meanwhile, here's some context and cite for anyone who doesn't want to
wait around for someone who obfuscates.
....(O)ur rulers can have no authority over such natural rights, only as we
have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we
could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate
powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or
no god. In neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg (Notes on Virginia,
1785.
"Although the Constitution says the government cannot "establish" or promote
religion, the framers did not intend for God to be stripped from public
life..."
-- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
http://web.raex.com/~gkmiller/scalia01.htm
Scalia is entitled to express his private opinion at religious ceremonies.
What's the problem?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/28/national/main542388.shtml
Perhaps you answered these questions and I just missed your answers?
How has any god influenced Jefferson's economic or physical condition?
Who has tried to prohibit good people who 'try' to live by Biblical
Principles?
Um, what are Biblical principles of "Liberty."
Where in the Bible do you find an endorsement of liberty or democracy?
Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD: and the people whom he hath
chosen for his own inheritance.
-- Psalms 33:12
Behold, I am against your pillows wherewith ye entice souls..." (Ezekiel
13:20).
Thomas Jefferson isn't bothered by the majorities [sic] belief of One
God or how He may influence Jeffersons' [sic] economic or physical
condition, so how is it that Liberalism and the ACLU have wrongly
interpreted 'Separation of Church and State' to mean government should be
absent of Thee [sic] Higher Ruling Authority or good people who 'try' to
live by Biblical prencipals [sic] of Liberty?>>
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
Please give examples of what you claim.
How has any god influenced Jefferson's economic or physical condition?
Who has tried to prohibit good people who 'try' to live by Biblical
Principles?
Um, what are Biblical principles of "Liberty."
Where in the Bible do you find an endorsement of liberty or democracy?
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| User: "CB" |
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29 Jul 2003 08:57:54 AM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030728155642.27392E-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
Today's Founder Quote:
where is the citation?
First answer my question on how Liberals have misinterpreted separation.
Ask a "Liberal."
Meanwhile, here's some context and cite for anyone who doesn't want to
wait around for someone who obfuscates.
...(O)ur rulers can have no authority over such natural rights, only as we
have submitted to them. The rights of conscience we never submitted, we
could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate
powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others.
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or
no god. In neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg (Notes on Virginia,
1785.
"Although the Constitution says the government cannot "establish" or
promote
religion, the framers did not intend for God to be stripped from public
life..."
-- Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia
http://web.raex.com/~gkmiller/scalia01.htm
Scalia is entitled to express his private opinion at religious ceremonies.
What's the problem?
The problem is the systematic efforts to remove any expression of faith in
government. But we know from President Bush and John Ashcrofts' prayer
sessions, 'your' efforts are in vain. To bad activist judges 'feel' the need
to change through personal/political 'will' what the legislature has written
into law. The next frontier for GOP victory, no doubt.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/28/national/main542388.shtml
Perhaps you answered these questions and I just missed your answers?
How has any god influenced Jefferson's economic or physical condition?
He hasn't so there's no harm done, except to Liberal moral neutrality. The
very thought of God makes Libs feel their superior intellect is but vanity
and guilt sets in. Can't have that when moral relative neutrality dictates
absolute equality in matters of conscience. Another reason Liberalism is
dead. The masses understand the difference between Goodness and Evil, the
party of corruption never will.
As long as the Liberal wing of the DemocRAT Party seeks to deny moral
judgment, Republicans will be trusted with the security and freedom of
America.
Who has tried to prohibit good people who 'try' to live by Biblical
Principles?
I speak of those who seek public office are discriminated against. All one
has to look to for proof is how Dems sitting on the Senate Judiciary
Committee are using a religious litmus test for judicial nominations.
Um, what are Biblical principles of "Liberty."
Something you'll never understand. Anything I say would be put into an
intellectual lockbox of darkness so I'll not waist my time.
Where in the Bible do you find an endorsement of liberty or democracy?
http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=liberty&SearchType=AND&version=KJV&restrict=&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0
Isaiah 61:1
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to
preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the
brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the
prison to them that are bound;
You're living in your own little lockbox.
Jeremiah 34:16
But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and
every man his handmaid, whom he had set at liberty at their pleasure, to
return, and brought them into subjection, to be unto you for servants and
for handmaids.
Meaning rather than allowing people liberty, some, not necessarily you take
the Lords' name in vain and blaspheme God in an attempt to keep people in
ignorant servitude to government, socialist thievery and chained to its
dependence.
Jeremiah 34:17
Therefore thus saith the LORD; Ye have not hearkened unto me, in proclaiming
liberty, every one to his brother, and every man to his neighbour: behold, I
proclaim a liberty for you, saith the LORD, to the sword, to the pestilence,
and to the famine; and I will make you to be removed into all the kingdoms
of the earth.
I proclaim "liberty" as does anyone who sees the wisdom in spreading Gods'
Word around the world. What President Bush has done in bringing freedom to
Babylon is to seed the minds of an oppressed people with the hope and
promise which liberty offers. With any liberty and freedom comes free
choice, a heavy responsibility for the unprincipled and newly liberated.
There are 22 other quotes on "liberty". Should I go on? Another word for
"democracy" is mob rule, the Bible is full of examples of man attempting to
rule him self without the Higher Ruling Authority of loving discipline.
However, the Bible also describes a lifestyle of hierarchical Authority
which is based on Higher Moral Authority of order. Would you like me to post
those passages? Sure you would.
Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked
beareth rule, the people mourn.
A parable about authority, responsibility and having thieves take what they
haven't earned...
Mathew 21
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a
vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built
a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:
34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the
husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.
35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another,
and stoned another.
36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto
them likewise.
37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence
my son.
38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This
is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto
those husbandmen?
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will
let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the
fruits in their seasons.
42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone
which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this
is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you,
and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on
whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they
perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude,
because they took him for a prophet.
CB
"Man, proud man! Dressed in a little brief authority: Most ignorant of what
he's most assur'd. His glassy essence--like an angry ape plays such
fantastic tricks before high heaven, as makes the angels weep."
-Shakespeare
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private |
29 Jul 2003 09:55:47 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
I proclaim "liberty" as does anyone who sees the wisdom in spreading Gods'
Word around the world.
What an interesting slip.
Gods' is plural possessive.
Thanks.
You have made my point.
And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
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| User: "CB" |
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29 Jul 2003 10:42:37 AM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030729095353.15838E-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
I proclaim "liberty" as does anyone who sees the wisdom in spreading
Gods'
Word around the world.
What an interesting slip.
Gods' is plural possessive.
Thanks.
You have made my point.
And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
It shows ownership, as in Master
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| User: "CB" |
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29 Jul 2003 01:40:11 PM |
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
Gods' is plural possessive.
Thanks.
You have made my point.
And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
It shows ownership, as in Master
It certainly does endorse such.
Funny, but in the marketplace of government, legislation, judiciary and
executive, I much prefer democracy.
Ownership smacks of dictatorship.
Go back to what was originally said you moron
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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29 Jul 2003 01:45:33 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
Gods' is plural possessive.
Thanks.
You have made my point.
And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
It shows ownership, as in Master
It certainly does endorse such.
Funny, but in the marketplace of government, legislation, judiciary and
executive, I much prefer democracy.
Ownership smacks of dictatorship.
Go back to what was originally said you moron
Said by whom? You or do you mean in one of your Wholly Babble quotes?
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"I want you to know, when it comes to believing in god- I really tried. I
really really tried. I tried to believe that there is a god who created
each one of us in his own image and likeness, loves us very much and keeps
a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell
you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you
realize...something is FUCKED-UP. Something is WRONG here. War, disease,
death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption and
the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is NOT good work. If
this is the best god can do, I am NOT impressed. Results like these do not
belong on the resume of a supreme being. This is the kind of ***** you'd
expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and
me, in any decently run universe, this guy would have been out on his
all-powerful-***** a long time ago." --George Carlin
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29 Jul 2003 11:01:54 AM |
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CB wrote:
"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSF.3.96.1030729095353.15838E-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu...
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
I proclaim "liberty" as does anyone who sees the wisdom in spreading
Gods'
Word around the world.
What an interesting slip.
Gods' is plural possessive.
Thanks.
You have made my point.
And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
It shows ownership, as in Master
If it's a single God who has ownership, it should be "God's". If it's
several Gods who have ownership, then it would be "Gods'"
BTW, if you're a fan of the singular God, how do you explain Genesis
3:22 'And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and
take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." '
'become like ONE OF US'!! Who are these other Gods which the bible
mentions? We are clearly forbidden to worship any of them. Are there
other people somewhere else worshipping this other God or Gods?
bc
Loyalty Mandated is Freedom Threatened
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| User: "CB" |
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| Title: Re: Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private |
29 Jul 2003 11:28:25 AM |
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If it's a single God who has ownership, it should be "God's". If it's
several Gods who have ownership, then it would be "Gods'"
Thanks
BTW, if you're a fan of the singular God, how do you explain Genesis
3:22 'And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and
take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." '
God, Jesus and the arch angel Michael are the "us".
Without the wisdom, Knowledge of the Word and accountability to Thee Higher
Ruling Authority, how could man ever be "one of us"? Trial attorneys?
Bickering and hateful words of jealousy would soon replace love with bigoted
hate.
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| User: "Carol Lee Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Today's Founder Quote: Government has no right to dictate where people choose to worship whether in public or in private |
29 Jul 2003 01:38:43 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
God, Jesus and the arch angel Michael are the "us".
Without the wisdom, Knowledge of the Word and accountability to Thee
"Thee" ???
You keep doing that, so I am assuming it is not a typo. What is the
import of "Thee" ???
Higher
Ruling Authority, how could man ever be "one of us"? Trial attorneys?
Bickering and hateful words of jealousy would soon replace love with bigoted
hate.
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"Religion easily has the greatest ***** story ever told. Think about
it, religion has actually convinced people that there's an INVISIBLE
MAN...LIVING IN THE SKY...who watches every thing you do, every minute of
every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten special things that he
does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a
special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish
where he will send to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and
cry for ever and ever til the end of time...but he loves you."
--George Carlin
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29 Jul 2003 01:45:56 PM |
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In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.1030729132516.14189A-100000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Carol Lee Smith <human@csd.uwm.edu> writes:
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<On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, CB wrote:
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<> "Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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<> > Gods' is plural possessive.
<> > Thanks.
<> > You have made my point.
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<> > And keep digging. Who knows, you may yet turn up "democracy" in your
<> > wholly, holey, allegedly holy book.
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<> It shows ownership, as in Master
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<It certainly does endorse such.
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<Funny, but in the marketplace of government, legislation, judiciary and
<executive, I much prefer democracy.
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<Ownership smacks of dictatorship.
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Well, as you may have noticed, along the laissez-faire/authoritarian
dimension CB snuggles in pretty close to the nether end. He generally
seems to view what I would regard as "thinking for one's self" as
socially dangerous, morally indefensible, and, more than occasionally,
treasonous.
-- cary
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