Would you begrudge your brother for the blessing your father has given him?
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"CB" <CB@prayforme.com> wrote:

You hang your case that the Constitution promotes religiosity by the

of the word "blessings" ??

Where would you say blessings come from besides from on High?

Well, in the Bible, Isaac gave his blessing to Jacob instead of Esau,
so clearly blessings can come from anyone.

I do not hang my hat on a single word, I hang my hat on the ideal that
religion weighed heavily upon the men that declared our independence

England, and the same men crafted our Constitution. I reject out of

suggestion that they somehow lost religion in the intervening years. I
believe that they recognized that all men would want to worship

or not worship at all, and they were steadfastly opposed to the idea

government should ever create a church-state system as had existed in
virtually every government ever formed before the United States.

Bend this, Harvard among other institutions of higher learning were first
opened as Christian schools.

That's because until the 1700s, no one EXCEPT clergymen needed a
higher education, and besides, all governments in the Western world
has state-establishments of religion.

You can bend and twist the words of the founding fathers, and inject

into their words that ought not be injected, but I can argue just as
strenuously that they would have said something different had they

something different.

Christianity far exceeds all other faiths in America.

Christianity isn't a single faith.

"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Carol Lee Smith" <human@csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003, Jeff Strickland wrote:

Your creator? Your creator? What should your idea or imaginings of

creator have anything to do with me or with any laws by which I am
governed?

Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created

that they are endowed by their Creator ...

... that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Not from any imagined supernatural entities--from the consent of the
governed.

Meaning man has no right to limit what's been given as inalienable

Preamble to the Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect

union,

establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common
defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of

liberty

to

ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution

for

the United States of America.

K>

"... secure the blessings of ..."

You hang your case that the Constitution promotes religiosity by the use
of the word "blessings" ??

Where would you say blessings come from besides from on High?

What is it some here recently said?

bwaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

Or something like that?

Every time some around me sneezes. I say "I bless you." Does that make
be god?

Funny how traditions work them selves into the fabric of society

bwaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

As can be seen here, the Preamble of the Constitution says the main

reason

for the Cnostitution is to secure the blessings of liberty to

and

our prosperity. Bless is a word that is rooted in religious culture.

is

nearly impossible to use "bless" without invoking images of religion.

"... do ordain and establish ..."

Main Entry: or·dain
Pronunciation: or-'dAn
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English ordeinen, from Old French ordener, from Late

Latin

ordinare, from Latin, to put in order, appoint, from ordin-, ordo

Date: 14th century
transitive senses
1 : to invest officially (as by the laying on of hands) with

or

priestly authority
2 a : to establish or order by appointment, decree, or law : ENACT b :

Pretty much the same comments as for "bless", "ordain" is a word that

steeped in religious conotations.

bwaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaa

You will have to do better than that.

Those words are much older than your wisp of existence.

I do not hang my hat on a single word, I hang my hat on the ideal that
religion weighed heavily upon the men that declared our independence

England, and the same men crafted our Constitution. I reject out of hand

any

suggestion that they somehow lost religion in the intervening years. I
believe that they recognized that all men would want to worship

differently,

or not worship at all, and they were steadfastly opposed to the idea

government should ever create a church-state system as had existed in
virtually every government ever formed before the United States.

Bend this, Harvard among other institutions of higher learning were first
opened as Christian schools.

"When Jefferson founded the University of Virginia late in his life, it

the first institution of higher learning ever in history not to have been
founded as primarily a school of divinity."
http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/christian_founding_fathers.htm

I would not have you be ignorant, brother.

You can bend and twist the words of the founding fathers, and inject

meaning

into their words that ought not be injected, but I can argue just as
strenuously that they would have said something different had they meant
something different.

Christianity far exceeds all other faiths in America. From all the
intolerant agnostic's, atheist's and mumbo jumbo psycho babbling,
separation of church and state minorities, one would think America was
not a Christian nation. According to the Census 2000
(http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/statab/sec01.pdf) on page 62 of 62
at the very bottom of the page (could one burry the findings any
better?) you will find the brake down on faiths in America.

There is a huge difference in what they said in the Constitution, and

you say they said.

On the bottom of the Constitution it states, "In the year of our Lord",

do you suppose that meant. Remember the Constitution was specifically

so that the comon man may understand it.

http://www.herbertwarmstrong.com/christian_founding_fathers.htm

Every time some around me sneezes. I say "I bless you." Does that make
be god?

"Bless you," is what you say

because the person that has sneezed is said to
have expelled the devil.

I am not saying this is true, I am only saying this
is the origin of why people say, "bless you," after somebody sneezes.