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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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08 May 2007 12:34:03 PM |
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Tomb of King Herod Found |
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Vosotros" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 02:15:03 PM |
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
So let us know when you get any historical verification of the miraculous.
Otherwise, so what. Even the Iliad contained historical accuracies. Does
that mean legions of skeleton warriors also existed?
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| User: "Shes So Fat ..." |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 07:40:01 PM |
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"Vosotros" <Vosotros@spam.com> wrote in message news:1341j1nj3q51kb9@corp.supernews.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
So let us know when you get any historical verification of the miraculous. Otherwise, so what. Even the Iliad contained historical
accuracies. Does that mean legions of skeleton warriors also existed?
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
TOTAL 100 100 100
Only 1% of the people in the USA profess to be atheists.
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| User: "Vosotros" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
09 May 2007 12:50:05 PM |
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"She's So Fat ..." <sof_021@ohya.com> wrote in message
news:3aednalO1K7ChNzbRVnyjwA@giganews.com...
"Vosotros" <Vosotros@spam.com> wrote in message
news:1341j1nj3q51kb9@corp.supernews.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
So let us know when you get any historical verification of the
miraculous. Otherwise, so what. Even the Iliad contained historical
accuracies. Does that mean legions of skeleton warriors also existed?
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
TOTAL 100 100 100
Only 1% of the people in the USA profess to be atheists.
Is there a point in here somewhere?
My understanding is that reality aint up for a vote.
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| User: "Sexual Chocolate" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 07:53:35 PM |
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"She's So Fat ..." <sof_021@ohya.com> wrote in message news:3aednalO1K7ChNzbRVnyjwA@giganews.com...
"Vosotros" <Vosotros@spam.com> wrote in message news:1341j1nj3q51kb9@corp.supernews.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
So let us know when you get any historical verification of the miraculous. Otherwise, so what. Even the Iliad contained
historical accuracies. Does that mean legions of skeleton warriors also existed?
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
TOTAL 100 100 100
Only 1% of the people in the USA profess to be atheists.
http://bibleweb.info/0/Operation%20World/home.htm
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 07:58:25 PM |
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In article <3aednalO1K7ChNzbRVnyjwA@giganews.com> "She's So Fat ..." <sof_021@ohya.com> writes:
"Vosotros" <Vosotros@spam.com> wrote in message news:1341j1nj3q51kb9@corp.supernews.com...
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
So let us know when you get any historical verification of the miraculous. Otherwise, so what. Even the Iliad contained historical
accuracies. Does that mean legions of skeleton warriors also existed?
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Religious Preference % June 1996 % March 2001 March 2002
Christian 84 82 82
Jewish 1 1 1
Muslim * 1 *
Other non-Christian 3 2 1
Atheist * 1 1
Agnostic * 2 2
Something else (SPECIFY) * 1 2
No preference 11 8 10
Don't know/Refused 1 2 1
TOTAL 100 100 100
Only 1% of the people in the USA profess to be atheists.
And worldwide, two out of every three people reject
Christianity. Your point?
-- cary
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| User: "Paul Clare" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
09 May 2007 02:03:38 AM |
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On May 8, 6:34 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
According to Luke, Herod had been dead for 10 years when Jesus was
born :
2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree
from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of
Syria.)
2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,
into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;
(because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Quirinius became governer of Syria in 6 AD. Herod died in 4 BC.
( Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius )
"[In 6AD] Iudaea Province (the conglomeration of Samaria, Judea and
Idumea) came under direct Roman administration. One of Quirinius'
first duties was to carry out a census to assess the new province for
tax purposes."
So who's lying - Matthew or Luke?
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| User: "Jeckyl" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
09 May 2007 02:11:10 AM |
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"Paul Clare" <paul_clare@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178694218.300093.8780@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 8, 6:34 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
That's tradition .. not the bible.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
If they even existed, and if there was consistency in the dating in the
Bible
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
Not really
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
10 May 2007 11:53:38 AM |
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Paul Clare <paul_clare@hotmail.com>
On May 8, 6:34 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
According to Luke, Herod had been dead for 10 years when Jesus was
born :
2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree
from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.
2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of
Syria.)
2:3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth,
into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem;
(because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
Quirinius became governer of Syria in 6 AD. Herod died in 4 BC.
( Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius )
"[In 6AD] Iudaea Province (the conglomeration of Samaria, Judea and
Idumea) came under direct Roman administration. One of Quirinius'
first duties was to carry out a census to assess the new province for
tax purposes."
So who's lying - Matthew or Luke?
And then there are those geneaologies...
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 08:50:06 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
The Bible says nothing about where his final resting place.
It was believed to be his final resting place because Josephus wrote
about its importance (and Josephus was no Christian).
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem)
Whaddaya mean "proof of Herodium's status and location"? We've known
where Herodium was for ages, and we knew of its status from Josephus,
who wrote in the 1st century.
further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
Yeah, right. More likely they went to see him because they were
non-Roman foreigners and didn't want to be killed by the tyrant.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
Nothing about this discovery verifies any Biblical claim.
lojbab
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 10:22:06 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
The Bible says nothing about where his final resting place.
It was believed to be his final resting place because Josephus wrote
about its importance (and Josephus was no Christian).
Let me amend that. It was believed to be his final resting place
because Josephus described his funeral procession in Herodium:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2524437.ece
<The Roman historian Josephus Flavius described the lavish funeral
< procession in his book The Jewish Wars, the unchallenged source book
< of the Second Temple era. He told how the body was attended by
< members of the family richly dressed in silks and jewels, how
< soldiers from across the ancient world paraded in their armour, as
< for war, accompanied by hundreds of attendants carrying spices such
< as frankincense. He said the king's body was covered in a purple
< shroud and carried on a bier.
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<"The bier," wrote Josephus, "was of solid gold, studded with precious
< stones, and had a covering of purple, embroidered with various
< colours. On this lay the body enveloped in purple robe, a diadem
< encircling the head and surmounted by a crown of gold, the sceptre
< beside his right hand."
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<The sarcophagus, with its triangular cover decorated on all sides, was
< indeed a unique specimen, Professor Netzer said. Its remains were
< still clearly identifiable although it had been smashed into pieces,
< probably, he said, by Jewish rebels fighting between the years 66 to
< 72AD, decades after the king's death.
lojbab
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| User: "marika" |
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| Title: Re: Tomb of King Herod Found |
08 May 2007 11:12:34 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote in message
<1178645643.319824.288350@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>...
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
oh my god
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
even funnier still...to the level of peeing oneself
hey Herod, where's that kid you wanna kill. we wanna give him some myrrh
mk5000
"how can a 700 with a 10 gig hard drive be brand new?
They have not made either item for at least one year"--bruce markowitz
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| User: "Merlin" |
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08 May 2007 01:28:48 PM |
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the proof in not in yet. there have been no engraved words found yet,
only engraved flowers.
now what does this really prove?
On May 8, 1:34 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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10 May 2007 09:40:58 PM |
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On May 8, 2007, Merlin wrote
(in article <1178648928.751133.135680@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>):
the proof in not in yet. there have been no engraved words found yet,
only engraved flowers.
now what does this really prove?
On May 8, 1:34 pm, Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Archaeologists have found the tomb of King Herod, exactly where
Christian tradition holds his final resting place to be, Herodium.
Further, proof of Herodium's status and location (right next to
Jerusalem) further verifies that the Wise Men that came seeking Jesus
WOULD have gone to Herod for advice.
This is just another historical verification of a Biblical claim.
More to come...
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
You just even going to /start/ to be believe
who is now thought to be in Grant's Tomb.
And that's not even mentioing god the big daddy, Karl Rove, god the
wicked sin, George Bush and the lamebrain who doesn't have a ghost of
a chance, Kenneth "Just call be Falwell or Robertson" Truffles.
Gray Shockley
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that is clear, simple, and wrong. - H. L. Mencken
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