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Topic: Sociology > Education
User: "K.C."
Date: 08 Jan 2005 11:59:21 PM
Object: USA religious history
Every single President and state of the USA has officially acknowledged
God in official speeched and proclamations. Chaplains, found
constitutional in 1983, are a federally funded position specifically
tasked with religion (offical government religious position). If
chaplains are constitutional, what government religious expression
(short of establishing one faith only) could be unconstitutional.
You have been lied to about religion in government. There is no
separation, and there has never been. Jefferson, who said the
separation phrase, spoke of His own faith, as President, in that very
letter and spoke of God on many other times. Every President has
spoken of their faith...every one....no exception. So, why would we
keep a teacher from speaking their faith, when their President is
allowed to do so?
In fact, here is a fun example. On D-Day, FDR went on the air to pray
for American troops in WWII. He asked all Americans to join him. Now,
here's the interesting part. No teacher, today, would be able to pray
the very words of the President in class without violating a rule that,
apparently, didn't apply to FDR himself. Why is that? Check it out.
You've been lied to.
Ken Clifton
http://providential-plan.com/undergod.html
(A Nation Under God)
.

User: "Gray Shockley"

Title: Re: USA religious history 16 Jan 2005 02:45:07 AM
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:59:21 -0600, K.C. wrote
(in article
<1105250361.500874.47120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

Every single President and state of the USA has officially acknowledged
God in official speeched and proclamations. Chaplains, found
constitutional in 1983, are a federally funded position specifically
tasked with religion (offical government religious position). If
chaplains are constitutional, what government religious expression
(short of establishing one faith only) could be unconstitutional.

You have been lied to about religion in government. There is no
separation, and there has never been. Jefferson,

Jefferson, writing about religion, wrote:
I promised you a letter on Christianity, which I
have not forgotten. On the contrary, it is because I have
reflected on it, that I find much more time necessary for
it than I can at present dispose of. I have a view of the
subject which ought to displease neither the rational
Christian nor Deists, and would reconcile many to a
character they have too hastily rejected. I do not know
that it would reconcile the _genus irritabile vatum_ who
are all in arms against me. Their hostility is on too
interesting ground to be softened. The delusion into which
the X. Y. Z. plot shewed it possible to push the people;
the successful experiment made under the prevalence of that
delusion on the clause of the constitution, which, while it
secured the freedom of the press, covered also the freedom
of religion, had given to the clergy a very favorite hope
of obtaining an establishment of a particular form of
Christianity thro' the U. S.; and as every sect believes
its own form the true one, every one perhaps hoped for his
own, but especially the Episcopalians & Congregationalists.
The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion
to their hopes, & they believe that any portion of power
confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their
schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon
the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of
tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to
fear from me: & enough too in their opinion, & this is the
cause of their printing lying pamphlets against me, forging
conversations for me with Mazzei, Bishop Madison, &c.,
which are absolute falsehoods without a circumstance of
truth to rest on; falsehoods, too, of which I acquit Mazzei
& Bishop Madison, for they are men of truth.

------------------------------------------------------
In case you missed it, from above:
for I have sworn upon the
altar of god, eternal hostility
against every form of tyranny
over the mind of man.
Notice that this "tyranny" is referring to religion.
Remember that TeeJay liked Jesus but thought that
Paul was a pervert.
The great majority of contemporary alleged
"Christianity" is not Jesus but Paul the Perv and
Jesus' daddy who is, perhaps, best known for having
sex with a virgin (ok, "ex-virgin" after he was
through with her).
Sorta reminds me of one of the ways to get an opposing
football team offside. Right before the snap, a
lineman says to his opposing number, "Hey, I hear your
mother isn't a virgin".
Remember from that amazing TeeJay document on slavery
about a "sleeping god"?

who said the
separation phrase, spoke of His own faith, as President, in that very
letter and spoke of God on many other times. Every President has
spoken of their faith...every one....no exception. So, why would we
keep a teacher from speaking their faith, when their President is
allowed to do so?

Because they're not lying politicians who use
anything at all to get elected?

In fact, here is a fun example. On D-Day, FDR went on the air to pray
for American troops in WWII. He asked all Americans to join him. Now,
here's the interesting part. No teacher, today, would be able to pray
the very words of the President
in class

You mean that a teacher "today" would not be able to
pray /aloud/ to her god /in/n/ /c/l/a/s/s out
loud, whether that god be the Satanic brand of
Christianity, the Old Religion, Paganism, Christianity
or Islam?

without violating a rule that,
apparently, didn't apply to FDR himself.

Uh, do you think FDR - upon uttering that prayer -
was a teacher or a student?

Why is that? Check it out.

You're not making any sense (as usual).

You've been lied to.

We all know that about you. How does one tell when
K.C. (King Cong) is lying? His fingers are typing and
his lips are uttering.


Ken Clifton

Gray Shockley
--------------------------
Calvin: These are interesting times.
We don't trust the government,
We don't trust the legal system,
We don't trust the media,
and we don't trust each other!
We've undermined all authority,
and with it, the basis for replacing it!
Hobbes: "Interesting" is a mild way of putting it.
Calvin: It's like a six-year-old's dream come true.
.
User: "Dana"

Title: Re: USA religious history 16 Jan 2005 12:50:56 PM
Gray Shockley wrote:

On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:59:21 -0600, K.C. wrote
(in article
<1105250361.500874.47120@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>):

Every single President and state of the USA has officially
acknowledged
God in official speeched and proclamations. Chaplains, found
constitutional in 1983, are a federally funded position specifically
tasked with religion (offical government religious position). If
chaplains are constitutional, what government religious expression
(short of establishing one faith only) could be unconstitutional.

You have been lied to about religion in government. There is no
separation, and there has never been. Jefferson,



Jefferson, writing about religion, wrote:

You have no idea of what he wrote.
.



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