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"Steve Dufour" |
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29 Jan 2004 11:19:36 AM |
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Vouchers come to D.C. |
School vouchers to start by fall
By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Education Secretary Rod Paige said the school-voucher program in
the District will be available for low-income D.C. students this fall,
clearing the way to implement the program nationwide within the next
few years.
"We're very much aware of the time crunch," Mr. Paige told an
audience at the Heritage Foundation yesterday. "All of these things
will be in place. ... We need to get this program up and running
immediately, so that children can benefit from it this fall when
school starts again this coming year."
Mr. Paige said he hopes similar voucher programs will be started
immediately with federal funding by other states under a $50 million
school-choice program that Congress authorized as part of the No Child
Left Behind Act. He said the public-school system needs more
competition from charter and private schools.
The secretary said he is pushing ahead this week to complete a
formal agreement with D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams, Democrat, for
joint operation of the voucher program. He said he expects to open
competition to choose a program administrator, which will conduct a
lottery to select students for the vouchers, if more than 2,000 of the
District's 68,000 students apply.
Selection of an administrator and the lottery will occur within
the next several months. In the meantime, Mr. Paige and Mr. Williams
are expected to choose a group to serve as the interim director of the
voucher program.
Even though the $14 million for program funding was attached to
the massive spending package passed by Congress last week, it hasn't
put an end to the controversy.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and D.C. Delegate Eleanor
Holmes Norton, both Democrats, said at an anti-voucher rally last week
that they would work to repeal the voucher provision before it is
implemented in September.
"Even after this vote, don't bank on vouchers coming to D.C.,"
said Mr. Kennedy, who is the highest-ranking Democrat on the Senate's
education committee.
He said he wants to shift voucher funding to D.C. public schools
and added that the voucher bill was placed in the omnibus spending
package because it wouldn't survive a straight up-or-down vote in the
Senate. Funding for the five-year demonstration program, which was
included in the annual D.C. appropriations bill, was held up by the
Senate and never made it to the floor for a vote.
Mr. Paige had harsh words for the voucher opponents.
"I respectfully warn those in Congress and the District who ponder
such continued political warfare that their actions will not stop us,"
he said. "Their threats are unworthy and harmful. They are on the
wrong side of history, and history will judge them so."
He asked the opponents "to step aside and to give way."
"The future of our children is at stake, and it would be
unconscionable to work against their best interests, to desire
failure, to actively labor to bring obstruction and sabotage."
Mr. Paige was undeterred about the potential stoppage of the
program.
"I want to see every school system freed of these monopolistic
requirements" enjoyed by the public-school establishment, he said. "It
prevents innovation, dulls performance. We'll see multiple delivery
systems, but the public school system will be the heavy lifter."
He added that there are similar programs currently under way in
Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and Colorado, but the D.C. program is
different because it is the first to be federally funded.
"Hopefully, we won't have to wait five years to see how this turns
out [in the District] to have it replicated" elsewhere, the secretary
said.
Mr. Paige said he and the mayor "want D.C. Choice to be a model
program for the nation."
"Of course, by themselves, opportunity scholarships will not solve
the problems facing D.C. schools," where reading, writing and
mathematics achievement is the lowest in the nation.
For D.C. students, vouchers also are an issue of "social justice"
and "civil rights" to allow poverty-stricken children trapped in
poorly performing public schools an opportunity for better education
and a brighter future, he said.
"Monopoly is simply the wrong policy for education, just as it is
with every other business or endeavor," he said. "History has proven
time and time again that monopolies don't work. In education, year
after year of isolation from any alternative thinking creates an
educational funk that frustrates needed change."
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| User: "Donna Metler" |
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| Title: Re: Vouchers come to D.C. |
29 Jan 2004 06:15:44 PM |
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2,000 of 68,000 students? Gee, not much of an opportunity there, is it?
According to the AP article in the Memphis paper today, not only are there
less than 2,000 vouchers available, but the students must be accepted to a
private school, and the parents must pay anything over the costs paid by the
voucher-so the voucher is not the full cost of education. IOW, it's a
political act which really won't help the lowest income students or those
who are far behind academically. Only those students who are desired by
private schools and have parents who can afford to pay extra for them to go
to said schools need apply.
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| User: "Gray Shockley" |
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| Title: Re: Vouchers come to D.C. |
29 Jan 2004 12:49:41 PM |
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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:19:36, Steve Dufour posted:
School vouchers to start by fall
<http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040129-122047-3274r.htm>
By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
[chomp]
. . . which will conduct a lottery to select students
for the vouchers, if more than 2,000 of the
District's 68,000 students apply.
This could /really/ be interesting if, indeed, it comes to pass.
Apparently, /all/ the students - including handicapped
in various ways - will be eligible for the lottery.
I'm wondering what restrictions the lottery and the
students will have imposed on them and how many
established non-public schools will go after these
students or will they need wait for the "new
education order" [NeoEd] schools to open.
Gray Shockley
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They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton,
they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they
also laughed at Bozo the Clown." - Carl Sagan
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| User: "James Michael Howard" |
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| Title: Re: Vouchers come to D.C. |
29 Jan 2004 12:14:52 PM |
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Vouchers is just a means of hiding the truth that the children in these schools
are not able to learn well. It is the children, not the schools. The voucher
thing will hide this for years while monies and time are wasted. The voucher
thing will also allow politicians to stay in office by using this emotional
issue. When, in a decade or so, it is discovered that vouchers really do not
help, those politicians will not have to face the music.
On 29 Jan 2004 09:19:36 -0800, (Steve Dufour) wrote:
School vouchers to start by fall
By George Archibald
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Education Secretary Rod Paige said the school-voucher program in
the District will be available for low-income D.C. students this fall,
clearing the way to implement the program nationwide within the next
few years.
"We're very much aware of the time crunch," Mr. Paige told an
audience at the Heritage Foundation yesterday. "All of these things
will be in place. ... We need to get this program up and running
immediately, so that children can benefit from it this fall when
school starts again this coming year."
Mr. Paige said he hopes similar voucher programs will be started
immediately with federal funding by other states under a $50 million
school-choice program that Congress authorized as part of the No Child
Left Behind Act. He said the public-school system needs more
competition from charter and private schools.
The secretary said he is pushing ahead this week to complete a
formal agreement with D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams, Democrat, for
joint operation of the voucher program. He said he expects to open
competition to choose a program administrator, which will conduct a
lottery to select students for the vouchers, if more than 2,000 of the
District's 68,000 students apply.
Selection of an administrator and the lottery will occur within
the next several months. In the meantime, Mr. Paige and Mr. Williams
are expected to choose a group to serve as the interim director of the
voucher program.
Even though the $14 million for program funding was attached to
the massive spending package passed by Congress last week, it hasn't
put an end to the controversy.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and D.C. Delegate Eleanor
Holmes Norton, both Democrats, said at an anti-voucher rally last week
that they would work to repeal the voucher provision before it is
implemented in September.
"Even after this vote, don't bank on vouchers coming to D.C.,"
said Mr. Kennedy, who is the highest-ranking Democrat on the Senate's
education committee.
He said he wants to shift voucher funding to D.C. public schools
and added that the voucher bill was placed in the omnibus spending
package because it wouldn't survive a straight up-or-down vote in the
Senate. Funding for the five-year demonstration program, which was
included in the annual D.C. appropriations bill, was held up by the
Senate and never made it to the floor for a vote.
Mr. Paige had harsh words for the voucher opponents.
"I respectfully warn those in Congress and the District who ponder
such continued political warfare that their actions will not stop us,"
he said. "Their threats are unworthy and harmful. They are on the
wrong side of history, and history will judge them so."
He asked the opponents "to step aside and to give way."
"The future of our children is at stake, and it would be
unconscionable to work against their best interests, to desire
failure, to actively labor to bring obstruction and sabotage."
Mr. Paige was undeterred about the potential stoppage of the
program.
"I want to see every school system freed of these monopolistic
requirements" enjoyed by the public-school establishment, he said. "It
prevents innovation, dulls performance. We'll see multiple delivery
systems, but the public school system will be the heavy lifter."
He added that there are similar programs currently under way in
Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and Colorado, but the D.C. program is
different because it is the first to be federally funded.
"Hopefully, we won't have to wait five years to see how this turns
out [in the District] to have it replicated" elsewhere, the secretary
said.
Mr. Paige said he and the mayor "want D.C. Choice to be a model
program for the nation."
"Of course, by themselves, opportunity scholarships will not solve
the problems facing D.C. schools," where reading, writing and
mathematics achievement is the lowest in the nation.
For D.C. students, vouchers also are an issue of "social justice"
and "civil rights" to allow poverty-stricken children trapped in
poorly performing public schools an opportunity for better education
and a brighter future, he said.
"Monopoly is simply the wrong policy for education, just as it is
with every other business or endeavor," he said. "History has proven
time and time again that monopolies don't work. In education, year
after year of isolation from any alternative thinking creates an
educational funk that frustrates needed change."
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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| Title: Re: Vouchers come to D.C. |
29 Jan 2004 12:29:55 PM |
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How much are the vouchers worth?
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| User: "Fletch F. Fletch" |
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29 Jan 2004 01:35:36 PM |
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"James Michael Howard" <jmhoward@arkansas.net> wrote in message
news:dcji101mttbem2mjsqhe1bmtvc2obcg3ha@4ax.com...
Vouchers is just a means of hiding the truth that the children in these
schools
are not able to learn well. It is the children, not the schools. The
voucher
thing will hide this for years while monies and time are wasted. The
voucher
thing will also allow politicians to stay in office by using this
emotional
issue. When, in a decade or so, it is discovered that vouchers really do
not
help, those politicians will not have to face the music.
Perhaps the vouchers will allow some children with motivated parents to get
out of schools filled with children with less motivate parents. If so, then
maybe the vouchers will save some kids.
Fletch
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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29 Jan 2004 01:41:50 PM |
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"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:
Perhaps the vouchers will allow some children with motivated parents to get
out of schools filled with children with less motivate parents. If so, then
maybe the vouchers will save some kids.
Fletch
In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or many poor
families.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in any public
school district.
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| User: "Fletch F. Fletch" |
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29 Jan 2004 03:22:38 PM |
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In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or
many poor
families.
True, but at the margins any voucher might help. If some family is $1500
short of getting there kid out of a shitty school, then that voucher is
exactly what they need.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in any
public
school district.
Interesting. How would that work? Would my school taxes be transfered to
the district I chose, with me paying the difference or getting back the
excess?
Fletch
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| User: "George Grapman" |
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29 Jan 2004 04:16:52 PM |
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"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:
In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or
many poor
families.
True, but at the margins any voucher might help. If some family is $1500
short of getting there kid out of a shitty school, then that voucher is
exactly what they need.
My point is that the CA plan would not have helped poor families. Since each
school district gets money base on enrollment those remaining students would
have less resources.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in any
public
school district.
Interesting. How would that work? Would my school taxes be transfered to
the district I chose, with me paying the difference or getting back the
excess?
My understanding is that the taxes would be transferred to the district that
the student enrolls in.
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| User: "Herman Rubin" |
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30 Jan 2004 02:54:13 PM |
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In article <401961E0.9F6A6978@paccbell.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:
Perhaps the vouchers will allow some children with motivated parents to get
out of schools filled with children with less motivate parents. If so, then
maybe the vouchers will save some kids.
Fletch
In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or many poor
families.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in any public
school district.
What does this do if the public schools have the same flaws?
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558
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| User: "King of Byron assss" |
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30 Jan 2004 03:19:39 PM |
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(Herman Rubin) wrote in
news:bveg9l$1evq@odds.stat.purdue.edu:
In article <401961E0.9F6A6978@paccbell.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:
Perhaps the vouchers will allow some children with motivated parents
to get out of schools filled with children with less motivate
parents. If so, then maybe the vouchers will save some kids.
Fletch
In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or
many poor
families.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in
any public
school district.
What does this do if the public schools have the same flaws?
But why is it always assumed the schools, and not the students, are at
fault?
Who's yer daddy, boy?!
King of SCAA
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| User: "James Michael Howard" |
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30 Jan 2004 04:06:48 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:19:39 GMT, King of Byron <assss> wrote:
hrubin@odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote in
news:bveg9l$1evq@odds.stat.purdue.edu:
In article <401961E0.9F6A6978@paccbell.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:
Perhaps the vouchers will allow some children with motivated parents
to get out of schools filled with children with less motivate
parents. If so, then maybe the vouchers will save some kids.
Fletch
In California the voucher were worth$1,500 making them worthless or
many poor
families.
How about an open enrollment where any child can use a voucher in
any public
school district.
What does this do if the public schools have the same flaws?
But why is it always assumed the schools, and not the students, are at
fault?
Because those who make a living off of blaming schools cannot make a living off
of saying the students are faulty.
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