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User:	"Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Date:	03 Jul 2007 04:17:29 PM
Object:	Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!

Well, they are at it again. After Spielberg and Cruise made the
Scientologist War of the World version, Spielberg has now the
Scientologist Transformers version. It should've been obvious, but I
wasn't thinking. Just think about it...
An alien race lives hidden among us on the Earth at war with a hidden
overlord somewhere else. They join with us against the overlord that
is coming to Earth to reign. This is the plot of Scientology. It is
also the way that Satan sees our world (thus, Scientology is Satanism
lite).

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Earth (when they fell from Heaven), overthrew their overseers (mankind
in Eden) and live hidden upon the Earth (in human bodies, which is how
the Scientologists say the spirits hide, too). They, being at war
with another race like them (Angels among us) rally man against the
coming overlord (God) who will come to reign on the Earth.
Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.
Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com
.

User: "Feather Forestwalker"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	03 Jul 2007 06:22:55 PM

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Well, they are at it again. After Spielberg and Cruise made the
Scientologist War of the World version, Spielberg has now the
Scientologist Transformers version. It should've been obvious, but I
wasn't thinking. Just think about it...

An alien race lives hidden among us on the Earth at war with a hidden
overlord somewhere else. They join with us against the overlord that
is coming to Earth to reign. This is the plot of Scientology. It is
also the way that Satan sees our world (thus, Scientology is Satanism
lite).

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Earth (when they fell from Heaven), overthrew their overseers (mankind
in Eden) and live hidden upon the Earth (in human bodies, which is how
the Scientologists say the spirits hide, too). They, being at war
with another race like them (Angels among us) rally man against the
coming overlord (God) who will come to reign on the Earth.

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:
Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.
-Tom

User: "Mark T moi@ere28"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	03 Jul 2007 08:57:48 PM

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton

.....

Here is my son's response:

Tom has more sense than Ken Clifton.

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown
between Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid
Heaven of Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels
have hidden among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The
Decepticons wish to decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So
does Satan with the Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of
what God tried to teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if
you really knew about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you
would know for yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch
it. The Autobots fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy
anyone who fights them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to
destroy them, and make them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule
the Universe. So does Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does
Michael the Archangel. Study the story; you'll see my point.

It is a work of fiction with good guys vs bad guys and the good guys win.
That is a typical myth that has been around for thousands of years. G K
Chesterton (of the Father Brown detective stories fame) said that he became
a Christian because he knew fairy tales were true - the good guys always win
in the end. In this life the good guys don't always win so therefore there
had to be a heaven where God rewarded the good guys.
Ken Clifton needs to read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand
Faces".
--
My Blog - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
.

User: "Feather Forestwalker"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 12:09:47 PM

"Mark T" <moi@ere28> wrote in message news:468affd9$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton

....

Here is my son's response:

Tom has more sense than Ken Clifton.

hehe, Mark, thanks. I think he will appreciate reading you.
Feather
PS. He's busy at the moment....but I will have him read everything I haven't
deleted or blocked.
Feather

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no
mention of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan.
Megatron crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over
Earth, and the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the
humans to his rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan
wants. He wants to bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime
is a personification of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the
ultimate showdown between Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded
by God to rid Heaven of Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the
humans. Angels have hidden among us, and protected us. So do the
Autobots. The Decepticons wish to decieve the Autobots into believing in
Megatron. So does Satan with the Angels. This is NOT a satanist film.
This is a form of what God tried to teach us about Satan. I'm not saying
it's exact, but if you really knew about the Autobots and the
Decepticons, like I do, you would know for yourself. Before the TV show
hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots fight for the weak, while
the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights them. Michael fought
for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make them suffer with him
in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does Megatron. Optimus
wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel. Study the
story; you'll see my point.

It is a work of fiction with good guys vs bad guys and the good guys win.
That is a typical myth that has been around for thousands of years. G K
Chesterton (of the Father Brown detective stories fame) said that he
became a Christian because he knew fairy tales were true - the good guys
always win in the end. In this life the good guys don't always win so
therefore there had to be a heaven where God rewarded the good guys.

Ken Clifton needs to read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand
Faces".

--
My Blog - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/

FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.

My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 08:52:15 AM

"Mark T" <moi@ere28> wrote:

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton

....

Here is my son's response:

Tom has more sense than Ken Clifton.

What is really fascinating is how Kenny manages to find Transformers
to be Scientological and/or Satanic allegory, but finds Pirates of the
Caribbean III to be Christian allegory, and apparently his reason for
these classifications depends mostly on his judgement of the religious
beliefs of some people involved in making the movie.
lojbab
.

User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 10:52:18 AM

On Jul 4, 8:52 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

"Mark T" <moi@ere28> wrote:

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton

....

Here is my son's response:

Tom has more sense than Ken Clifton.

Ken Clifton needs to read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand
Faces".

Lying again, Bob? I also note your ability to see inside my mind.
Why don't you just refute the facts in the post...oh, I see, you
can't.
Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	05 Jul 2007 12:19:54 PM

In article <1183564338.089131.190360@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

On Jul 4, 8:52 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

"Mark T" <moi@ere28> wrote:

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton

....

Here is my son's response:

Tom has more sense than Ken Clifton.

Ken Clifton needs to read Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With A Thousand
Faces".

Lying again, Bob? I also note your ability to see inside my mind.
Why don't you just refute the facts in the post...oh, I see, you
can't.

OK, Kenny's has officially abandoned his saintly, condescending
and passive-aggressive "I shall henceforth do nothing but
forgive Bob and remind him that Jesus loves him" schtick.
Who had two weeks in the pool?
-- cary
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 01:04:45 PM

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

Lying again, Bob?

Nope.

I also note your ability to see inside my mind.

I used the word "apparently" thus indicating what impression you are
making. I neither know nor care what actually goes on inside your
sick mind. That is between you and the shrink you should be seeing.

Why don't you just refute the facts in the post...oh, I see, you
can't.

"Facts" aren't refutable, but is no problem, because you rarely post
anything factual. Your ***** is refutable. I now refute your
claim that I am lying thereby proving that you are a liar:
Your claim that Transformers is a Scientological/Satanic allegory, and
your invocation of Spielberg and Cruise as if they were relevant to
the claim:
<Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:17:29 -0700
<Well, they are at it again. After Spielberg and Cruise made the
<Scientologist War of the World version, Spielberg has now the
<Scientologist Transformers version. ...
<Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
<here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.
Your claim that the last pirates movie is has as its theme the
(Christian) allegory of hell and judgement
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:58:04 -0700
<Well, the Pirate inclined must be really hating the latest installment
<of their movie. While there is no way you can call the "pirates"
<movies as Christian, the last movie presents a theme that I am SURE
<the unrighteous didn't expect to see....HELL.
....
<So, millions of unrighteous people went out to support a rebel film,
<only to be told that YOU WILL BE JUDGED for your deeds after death.
lojbab
.

User: "Woggle"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	03 Jul 2007 09:34:26 PM

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Or was that a banana?
.

User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	05 Jul 2007 12:14:52 PM

In article <1183516466.695396.146930@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Woggle <weeble.woggle@yahoo.com> writes:

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Or was that a banana?

Hush! Now you'll have Ken finding an Enormous Secret Conspiracy
Against All that is Good and Decent in cigars.
Now if you could get him to attack Freud -- sort of a
cult vs. cult thing -- now THAT would be entertaining.
-- cary
.

User: "ravenlynne"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 01:15:35 AM

Woggle wrote:

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Or was that a banana?

Depends whether it's in a pocket or not.
--
-Gina in Italy
Favorite phrase of the day: Messiah-envy
.

User: "BTR1701"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	03 Jul 2007 11:19:45 PM

In article <kTAii.324$bz7.7@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote:

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

Well, they are at it again. After Spielberg and Cruise made the
Scientologist War of the World version, Spielberg has now the
Scientologist Transformers version. It should've been obvious, but I
wasn't thinking. Just think about it...

An alien race lives hidden among us on the Earth at war with a hidden
overlord somewhere else. They join with us against the overlord that
is coming to Earth to reign. This is the plot of Scientology. It is
also the way that Satan sees our world (thus, Scientology is Satanism
lite).

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Earth (when they fell from Heaven), overthrew their overseers (mankind
in Eden) and live hidden upon the Earth (in human bodies, which is how
the Scientologists say the spirits hide, too). They, being at war
with another race like them (Angels among us) rally man against the
coming overlord (God) who will come to reign on the Earth.

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

Holy *****, you people are fucking nuts.
.

User: "Feather Forestwalker"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 12:09:10 PM

"BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:btr1702-A5A96A.00194504072007@news.giganews.com...

In article <kTAii.324$bz7.7@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
Holy *****, you people are fucking nuts.

You veracity amazes me.
That was a KID - my SON - whom you are calling that....had you *realized*
that, I would *hope* your response would have been TEMPERED somewhat to:
#1). Lose the cusswords
#2). His well-thought-out response warranted a lot more respect than *you*
in your juvenile attempt to *diagnose* a mental condition gives. You aren't
even worth this amount of response from his mom.
PLONK
Feather
.

User: "BTR1701"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 02:10:39 PM

In article <SuQii.25054$C96.2685@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote:

"BTR1701" <btr1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:btr1702-A5A96A.00194504072007@news.giganews.com...

In article <kTAii.324$bz7.7@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,

Holy *****, you people are fucking nuts.

You veracity amazes me.

That was a KID - my SON - whom you are calling that....had you *realized*
that, I would *hope* your response would have been TEMPERED somewhat to:

#1). Lose the cusswords

Nope. Sometimes they're warranted. Like when superstitious and
delusional people conduct in-depth religious analyses of a movie based
on toy robots that change into cars.

#2). His well-thought-out response warranted a lot more respect than *you*
in your juvenile attempt to *diagnose* a mental condition gives. You aren't
even worth this amount of response from his mom.

Holy *****, both you *and* your kid are fucking nuts. It's a movie about
giant robots, not some stealth biblical tale.
And no one's diagnosing a medical condition here. The words "nuts" is a
common colloquialism, not a medical judgment. I challenge you to find it
in any medical record created by a health professional in a diagnostic
setting.
.

User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	05 Jul 2007 04:26:48 AM

In light of the messages people manage to see in this movie, it was
interesting that the voice-actor of Optimus Prime (Cullen) who
invented his own character's character, seems to have based his
character on his brother, and not on either Michael or Satan (the
article makes it clear that much of the "meaning" in the Transformer
story came from Cullen's interpretation of his character), and he sees
an entirely different Biblical story being referenced in the new
movie: Cain and Abel. Meanwhile, one of the producers (DeSanto) sees
it mostly in terms of a contrast in parenting styles.
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070705/ENT04/707050323/1005/ENT
<Though "Transformers "has been mocked over the years as a glorified
< toy commercial, Cullen says the performers from the original series
< never saw it that way.
<
<Cullen imbued Prime with qualities that were very important to the
< actor personally, adding a layer to the role that, in keeping with
< the "Transformers "catchphrase, was "more than meets the eye."
<
<As a stoic, stern but forgiving father figure to the little yellow
< rookie robot known as Bumblebee (a VW bug in its original
< incarnation, and a Chevy Camaro in the live-action film), Prime never
< lost his temper, and even in the heat of battle never lost his
< dignity or desire to preserve the lives on Earth.
<
<"It came from family members that I drew from, my brother, in
< particular. He was an officer in the Marine Corps fighting in Vietnam
< and was there longer than anybody should be in battle," Cullen says.
< "He didn't talk much about his experiences, but the power inside of
< him as a person was undeniably a strength that I'd never seen when we
< were growing up. He had changed. He was my hero. So years later when
< I had the opportunity to audition for Optimus Prime I drew on my
< brother's persona. ... I wanted that sense of honor."
<
<Megatron, on the other hand, the leader of the resource-plundering
< Decepticons, is practically the epitome of a bad parent - quick to
< anger, judgmental, cruel - which is why his second in command, the
< fighter jet Starscream, has always secretly plotted to usurp him.
<
<A line from the cartoon that is repeated in the movie says it all:
<"When he says, "Starscream, you have failed me again ...' that's like
< the mantra heard from the bad father of every kid who ever struck out
< in baseball," DeSanto says.
<
<The movie also takes family conflict to another new level, revealing
< that Prime and Megatron are brothers. "It's like Cain and Abel, all
< taking place in some other part of the galaxy," Cullen says.
<
<He says the mythology is vital. Before anyone could breathe life into
< these characters, somebody had to explain who these alien machines
< were and why they looked like human vehicles.
All of which says that Kenny and Tom are BOTH wrong as to what the
story "means", except for them personally. The interpretations that
they choose to see in the film are entirely *their own* inventions,
and not something Spielberg came up with.
It is perfectly fine in artistic criticism to make such
interpretations, but when they are attributed without evidence to the
artwork-creator (as Kenny did), we get the postmodernist idea that the
narratives people read into an artwork are somehow more fundamental
than the art itself.
Critic/interpreters should clearly mark their ideas as being the
critic's own interpretation (Tom kind of does this with "I'm not
saying it's exact", but I'd love to see such personal interpretations
marked with "I think it means ..." or some such). Kenny seems not to
understand this, and habitually in his posting puts his own
poorly-thought-out nonsense into the mouths (or minds) of others.
lojbab
-----

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

-Tom

User: "jerald"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 02:17:43 PM

On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, "Feather Forestwalker" <feat...@NOSPAMPLZ.com>
wrote:

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

An alien race lives hidden among us on the Earth at war with a hidden
overlord somewhere else. They join with us against the overlord that
is coming to Earth to reign. This is the plot of Scientology. It is
also the way that Satan sees our world (thus, Scientology is Satanism
lite).

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

-Tom

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Hi Tom,
I do see your point and its very well thought out. But sometimes a
story is just that. A story. You are off base on a couple of
points. Megaton doesn't wish to rule us. He sees us as pests that
have no more value than a insect. We must be disposed of before he
can make the planet his own. The Autobots at the start of the movie
don't think that much more highly of us. This is simply a story of
good vs evil. And with any such story you can read and bend it to
where it fits in the bible. But I don't think that was the intent of
the author.
The book while not one of his best was writen by Alan Dean Foster.
You should be able to find it at any Wal Mart or bookstore now. For a
16 year old you do have a good head on your shoulder. Read what
others here are telling you. But make up your own mind on how you
feel.
jerald
.

User: "Mark T moi@ere29"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 05:12:58 PM

"jerald" wrote:

The book while not one of his best was writen by Alan Dean Foster.
You should be able to find it at any Wal Mart or bookstore now. For a
16 year old you do have a good head on your shoulder. Read what
others here are telling you. But make up your own mind on how you
feel.

Good advice.
From John Milton's "Areopagitica" (1644) [Appleton- Century Crofts; New
York:1951] ...
p. 14 " ... the example of Moses, Daniel, and Paul, who were skilful in the
learning of the Egyptians, Chaldeans, and Greeks, which could not possibly
be without reading their books of all sorts, in Paul especially, who thought
it no defilement to insert into Holy Scripture the sentences of three Greek
poets, and one of them a tragedian ..." (Acts 17:28 from Aratus; 1
Corinthians 15:33 from Euripides; Titus 1:12 from Epimenides)
p. 17 "Solomon informs us that much reading is a weariness to the flesh,
but neither he nor other inspired author tells us that such or such reading
is unlawful: yet certainly had God thought good to limit us herein, it had
been much more expedient to have told us what was unlawful than what was
wearisome."
p. 21 " ... a wise man will make better use of an idle pamphlet than a fool
will do of sacred Scripture."
p.51 "And though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the
earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously by licensing and
prohibiting to misdoubt her strength. Let her and falsehood grapple; who
ever knew Truth to be the worse in a free and open encounter? Her confuting
is the best and surest suppressing."
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User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 10:56:49 AM

On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, "Feather Forestwalker" <feat...@NOSPAMPLZ.com>
wrote:

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth, and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

-Tom

God WILL bend us all to His will when He returns...EVERY knee will
bow, even those that go to hell. Also, I said it is as SATAN would
see it, not Christians. Satan hates God and sees Him as a cruel
dictator, just as Megatron is in this film. Satan doesn't really CARE
if you see things his way or do things his way, so long as you don't
do it God's way, just as is the view of Optimus Prime.
Further, angels don't "hide" among us (as if they were afraid), being
the ones with authority from God. The devil's hide from them.
You really need to read your Bible, again.
Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com
.

User: "Diana x-no-archive: yes"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 11:46:45 AM

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183564609.942821.36860@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, "Feather Forestwalker" <feat...@NOSPAMPLZ.com>
wrote:

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no
mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth,
and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a
personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown
between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have
hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The
Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who
fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the
Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

-Tom

God WILL bend us all to His will when He returns...EVERY knee will
bow, even those that go to hell. Also, I said it is as SATAN would
see it, not Christians. Satan hates God and sees Him as a cruel
dictator, just as Megatron is in this film. Satan doesn't really CARE
if you see things his way or do things his way, so long as you don't
do it God's way, just as is the view of Optimus Prime.

Further, angels don't "hide" among us (as if they were afraid), being
the ones with authority from God. The devil's hide from them.

You really need to read your Bible, again.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

You really need to know you are talking to a child who deserves respect for
trying to explain a film to you. This child did very well with his reply to
your post and not ONCE did he tell you to read your Bible again and you are
being pompous when you talk down to him that way.
.

User: "Feather Forestwalker"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 12:14:38 PM

"Diana" <x-no-archive: yes> wrote in message
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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 3, 6:22 pm, "Feather Forestwalker" <feat...@NOSPAMPLZ.com>
wrote:

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1183497449.437015.130480@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...

From the viewpoint of the devil, he and his angels crashed on the

Transformers (a film about the race that hides within things we see
here...like demons) is a Scintology (or Satanism, if you will) film.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

Here is my son's response:

Megatron is the evil. He is the bad guy. I saw the movie, I saw no
mention
of a coming overlord. Megatron is a personification of Satan. Megatron
crashed to the Earth. So did Satan. Megatron tried to take over Earth,
and
the home planet of the Transformers. He wishes to bend the humans to his
rule. This is the way of the devil. This is what Satan wants. He wants
to
bend US to HIS rule. Megatron is Satan, Optimus Prime is a
personification
of Michael, the Archangel. This is pretty much the ultimate showdown
between
Good and Evil. After all, Michael was commanded by God to rid Heaven of
Satan and his minions. Optimus wishes to save the humans. Angels have
hidden
among us, and protected us. So do the Autobots. The Decepticons wish to
decieve the Autobots into believing in Megatron. So does Satan with the
Angels. This is NOT a satanist film. This is a form of what God tried to
teach us about Satan. I'm not saying it's exact, but if you really knew
about the Autobots and the Decepticons, like I do, you would know for
yourself. Before the TV show hit a bad run, I used to watch it. The
Autobots
fight for the weak, while the Decepticons wish to destroy anyone who
fights
them. Michael fought for the weak. Satan tries to destroy them, and make
them suffer with him in hell. Satan wishes to rule the Universe. So does
Megatron. Optimus wishes to save the humans. So does Michael the
Archangel.
Study the story; you'll see my point.

-Tom

God WILL bend us all to His will when He returns...EVERY knee will
bow, even those that go to hell. Also, I said it is as SATAN would
see it, not Christians. Satan hates God and sees Him as a cruel
dictator, just as Megatron is in this film. Satan doesn't really CARE
if you see things his way or do things his way, so long as you don't
do it God's way, just as is the view of Optimus Prime.

Further, angels don't "hide" among us (as if they were afraid), being
the ones with authority from God. The devil's hide from them.

You really need to read your Bible, again.

Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com

You really need to know you are talking to a child who deserves respect
for trying to explain a film to you. This child did very well with his
reply to your post and not ONCE did he tell you to read your Bible again
and you are being pompous when you talk down to him that way.

My son, while a "child," is also quite capable intellectually, of devising
his own defense. I am going to let him read this from Ken - have blocked the
flamers and deleted their posts, as he doesn't need to read that crap and
become inflamed. But with Ken, at least, he has a fellow Christian to
discuss things with.
My son is age 16 - intellectually, the teachers say he is "16 going on 30,"
which in his case is not an insult; his reading comprehension has gone so
far above high school level that they are putting him in several college
prep classes (in English, Science and History) in the coming year. They
wanted him to do it in his Sophomore year, but he said he wasn't ready for
the challenge. Over the summer, he's reading a lot of diversified books,
from Science Fiction/Fantasy to Mysteries, Drama, Prose and
Action/Adventure. He's very widely-read and I appreciate what a finely tuned
mind he has. He's not caught up in the drama's of highschool crushes or
drugs and alcohol abuse and finds such things to be trite and meaningless.
;)
He's a pretty neat kid.
Feather

User: "Mark T moi@ere29"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 05:06:46 PM

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

My son is age 16 - intellectually, the teachers say he is "16 going on
30," which in his case is not an insult; his reading comprehension has
gone so far above high school level that they are putting him in several
college prep classes (in English, Science and History) in the coming year.
They wanted him to do it in his Sophomore year, but he said he wasn't
ready for the challenge. Over the summer, he's reading a lot of
diversified books, from Science Fiction/Fantasy to Mysteries, Drama, Prose
and Action/Adventure. He's very widely-read and I appreciate what a finely
tuned mind he has. He's not caught up in the drama's of highschool crushes
or drugs and alcohol abuse and finds such things to be trite and
meaningless. ;)

He's a pretty neat kid.

Having spoken with him, I second that.
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http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/
FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.
My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall
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User: "Feather Forestwalker"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 05:07:38 PM

"Mark T" <moi@ere29> wrote in message news:468c19ed$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

"Feather Forestwalker" wrote:

My son is age 16 - intellectually, the teachers say he is "16 going on
30," which in his case is not an insult; his reading comprehension has
gone so far above high school level that they are putting him in several
college prep classes (in English, Science and History) in the coming
year. They wanted him to do it in his Sophomore year, but he said he
wasn't ready for the challenge. Over the summer, he's reading a lot of
diversified books, from Science Fiction/Fantasy to Mysteries, Drama,
Prose and Action/Adventure. He's very widely-read and I appreciate what a
finely tuned mind he has. He's not caught up in the drama's of highschool
crushes or drugs and alcohol abuse and finds such things to be trite and
meaningless. ;)

He's a pretty neat kid.

Having spoken with him, I second that.

:) Wish I could get that darned cam going again; he really enjoyed those
conversations.
Feather

--
My Blog - MARK T - my thoughts on Christianity/ song covers & pics & links
http://www.blognow.com.au/strooth/

FUNDY FUNHOUSE -
http://fundamentalistfunhouse.blogspot.com/
- a resource on the current Fundamentalist Dark Age and Christian
fundamentalism.

My Soundclick Page - download my original songs in mp3 format
http://www.soundclick.com/marktindall

User: "BTR1701"
Title: Re: Warning - Transformers a Scientology Picture!	04 Jul 2007 02:16:15 PM

In article <_zQii.25057$C96.13498@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
"Feather Forestwalker" <feather@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote: