Sociology > Education > What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
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13 Mar 2005 10:04:42 AM |
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What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions? |
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors, but
also with court fines, imprisonment, assault, arson attacks against
their homes and offices, loss of employment, of pensions, revocation
of academic degrees, exclusion from entering some countries, expulsion
from other countries.
A popular magazine in Japan was shut down after printing a revisionist
article.
A revisionist book published in Germany was ordered destroyed by a
German court-every copy was to be burned!
Revisionist WWWeb sites have been shut down without warning for their
content.
Discussions of revisionist findings on various online services have
been cut off by the services.
SR)Watch the news wires.
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"Let the gas chambers remain closed to prying eyes, and to imagination."
E. Wiesel, All Rivers Run to the Sea, Memoirs (New York: Random House/ Knopf, 1995), p. 74.
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13 Mar 2005 12:09:34 PM |
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What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
Hardly a surprise!
but
also with court fines, imprisonment, assault, arson attacks against
their homes and offices, loss of employment, of pensions, revocation
of academic degrees, exclusion from entering some countries,
expulsion
from other countries.
A list of assertions for which no evidence is provided.
Deniers always exaggerate the reactions to the despicable views.
Do they expect us to take their testimonial evidence as proof? Where is
the scientific evidence?
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Philip Mathews
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| User: "Thomas Anantharaman" |
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13 Mar 2005 06:08:01 PM |
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wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists. For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the holocaust.
He was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to the "6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust (some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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14 Mar 2005 06:23:56 AM |
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"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists.
Not that snyone's ever been able to prove.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews
Interesting that you don't capitalize the proper noun.
died in the holocaust.
He was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to the "6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
"At the time"?
Interesting how it's the same 50 years later.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that still
believes that more than 4 million jews
Interesting that you don't capitalize the proper noun.
died in the holocaust (some estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
What stupid liar you are.
You can't find a genuine historian that believes any of your garbage.
& stay killfiled this time, loser.
Susan
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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14 Mar 2005 03:21:31 AM |
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"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists. For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to the "6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust (some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose findings are
worth a pinch of salt, are those who agree blindly to the holocaust story,
totally unexpurgated and totally unedited.
All the rest are liars, revisionists, deniers, jew haters, anti semites, *****
hats etc. etc. ad nauseum.
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| User: "" |
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14 Mar 2005 08:42:40 AM |
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists. For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust (some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
Typical.
--
Philip Mathews
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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15 Mar 2005 04:20:18 AM |
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<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists. For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust (some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey. I specifically
asked you for scientific evidence and you could produce nothing but the pre
prepared gutter swill your mob have been perpetuating for 60 years.
Come back when you have something concrete.
Also, please repost any previous post of mine where I have stated I hate
jews.
No rush.
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| User: "" |
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15 Mar 2005 10:15:10 AM |
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and
researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing
a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to
the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian
that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual
know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey.
LOL!
You mean you lack the intellectual abilty and knowledge to make a
response.
--
Philip Mathews
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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16 Mar 2005 01:46:53 AM |
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<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and
researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing
a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to
the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian
that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual
know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey.
LOL!
You mean you lack the intellectual abilty and knowledge to make a
response.
Not at all. I stand by my original statement. Sorry about that.
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| User: "" |
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16 Mar 2005 07:48:21 AM |
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and
researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as
revisionists.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for
writing
a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to
the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian
that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual
know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads
in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey.
LOL!
You mean you lack the intellectual abilty and knowledge to make a
response.
Not at all. I stand by my original statement.
A statement made in abject ignorance.
--
Philip Mathews
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| User: "Ben Cramer" |
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17 Mar 2005 03:22:36 AM |
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<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and
researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as
revisionists.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for
writing
a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe to
the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian
that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual
know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those threads
in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey.
LOL!
You mean you lack the intellectual abilty and knowledge to make a
response.
Not at all. I stand by my original statement.
A statement made in abject ignorance.
One opinion NancyPhil. Totally wrong of course, but an opinion none the
same.
Off you go now.
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| User: "" |
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17 Mar 2005 07:34:06 AM |
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
<philnancy@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ben Cramer wrote:
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in
message
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philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and
researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as
revisionists.
For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for
writing
a
paper
in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in
the
holocaust. He
was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't subscribe
to
the
"6
million" figure was considered a revisionist.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious
historian
that
still
believes that more than 4 million jews died in the
holocaust
(some
estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Haven't you figured out by now, that the only historians
whose
findings are
worth a pinch of salt,
Are actually historians!!
So you've turned into a raving, Jew hating, intellectual
know-nothing
in just a few days, while ceasing any response in those
threads
in
which your Holocaust questions were answered.
They were never answered to my complete satisfaction matey.
LOL!
You mean you lack the intellectual abilty and knowledge to make
a
response.
Not at all. I stand by my original statement.
A statement made in abject ignorance.
One opinion NancyPhil.
You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts, moron.
And you claim above is false.
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Philip Mathews
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| User: "William Daffer" |
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13 Mar 2005 06:28:47 PM |
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Thomas Anantharaman <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> writes:
philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
In some cases historians were unfairly branded as revisionists. For
example in 1956 Germany jailed one history professor for writing a
paper in which he concluded that around 4 million jews died in the
holocaust. He was jailed because at the time anyone who didn't
subscribe to the "6 million" figure was considered a revisionist.
And who was this 'historian?' What's his name and the specifics of
his case.
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that
still believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
What hogwash. Do you make this stuff up as you go along?
(some estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Unhuhn, sure. 'Historians' like Butz? Faurisson? Zundel?
whd
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Kurt Knoll lets 'er rip:
When it comes to Jews the are very inventive when it comes to siphon
some ones pocked.
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| User: "Thomas Anantharaman" |
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13 Mar 2005 10:36:09 PM |
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William Daffer wrote:
Thomas Anantharaman <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> writes:
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that
still believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Unhuhn, sure. 'Historians' like Butz? Faurisson? Zundel?
You can walk into any library and look for books on WW-II published
after 1990, and all of them will have estimates of between 1.5 and 4
million (with 2.5 million the median estimate). Many academics however
will not publicly discuss this issue, for fear of being mistaken for
"holocaust revisionists and deniers" such as you have mentioned.
The following is a link to a site dedicated to memorializing the
holocaust, that still states that 6 million died, but acknowledges that
recently historians have estimated the number as closer to 2.5 million.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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14 Mar 2005 06:43:03 AM |
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"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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William Daffer wrote:
Thomas Anantharaman <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> writes:
Today you would be hard pressed to find any serious historian that
still believes that more than 4 million jews died in the holocaust
(some estimates are as low as 1.5 million).
Unhuhn, sure. 'Historians' like Butz? Faurisson? Zundel?
You can walk into any library and look for books on WW-II published after
1990, and all of them
What an INCREDIBLE liar you are.
will have estimates of between 1.5 and 4
million (with 2.5 million the median estimate). Many academics however
will not publicly discuss this issue, for fear of being mistaken for
"holocaust revisionists and deniers" such as you have mentioned.
Uh, moron, "publishing a book" EQUALS "public discussion."
Just how stupid *are* you?
The following is a link to a site dedicated to memorializing the
holocaust, that still states that 6 million died, but acknowledges that
recently historians have estimated the number as closer to 2.5 million.
Wow, I didn't expect you to answer the previous question before I even asked
it -
http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/General/VictimsEngl.html
This site says about the 6 million:
"In fact, this total is a strict minimum."
What it actually said about the fraud you tried to perpetrate above is:
"Just a last comment. These last years some historians and or revisionists
have changed the estimated number of Jews killed during the Holocaust from 6
million to 2.5 million..... Some revisionists or deniers are using this new
estimated number of victims in order to minimize the Holocaust or even to
deny its reality..... The deniers are just trying to make banal the murder
of millions of innocent people by German government policy."
Thanks for admitting just what you are.
Susan
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| User: "Thomas Anantharaman" |
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14 Mar 2005 03:32:31 AM |
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I tracked down one of my sources and find that what it actually says is
that around 2.5 million Jews died in concentrations camps (includes both
those who were murdered and those who died of diseases etc), but another
1.5-2.5 million Jews died in Eastern Europe during the war. There is
some controversy over how many of the latter should be included in the
Holocaust tally, but on the whole it appears my previous posts were
misinformed and for that I appologize.
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| User: "Riain Barton/ריעין ברתון" |
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14 Mar 2005 04:01:24 AM |
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wrong again
"Thomas Anantharaman" <tsa@biostat.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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:I tracked down one of my sources and find that what it actually says is
: that around 2.5 million Jews died in concentrations camps (includes
both
: those who were murdered and those who died of diseases etc), but
another
: 1.5-2.5 million Jews died in Eastern Europe during the war. There is
: some controversy over how many of the latter should be included in the
: Holocaust tally, but on the whole it appears my previous posts were
: misinformed and for that I appologize.
:
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| User: "Joe Bruno" |
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13 Mar 2005 12:45:00 PM |
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wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and authors,
Hardly a surprise!
but
also with court fines, imprisonment, assault, arson attacks against
their homes and offices, loss of employment, of pensions,
revocation
of academic degrees, exclusion from entering some countries,
expulsion
from other countries.
A list of assertions for which no evidence is provided.
Deniers always exaggerate the reactions to the despicable views.
Do they expect us to take their testimonial evidence as proof? Where
is
the scientific evidence?
I keep asking Alex Vangel for proof of his claims. I get one of 3
responses to my inquiries:
(1)Another unsubstantiated speech by some
Nazi
(2)NO response
(3)He tells me: You can't discuss anything with a Jew.
The last time he told me it is his "duty" to render me "harmless".
HEY, ALEX, YOU USELESS BAG OF *****! MY ADDRESS HAS BEEN POSTED.
ANYTIME YOU WANNA TRY AND RENDER ME HARMLESS, JUST COME ON OVER AND TRY
IT.
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| User: "" |
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13 Mar 2005 08:20:20 PM |
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Joe Bruno wrote:
philnancy@aol.com wrote:
scott@free.info wrote:
What consequences have revisionists suffered for their
conclusions?
a) Since at least the 1970's revisionist authors and researchers
have
met with not only with derision from other historians and
authors,
Hardly a surprise!
but
also with court fines, imprisonment, assault, arson attacks
against
their homes and offices, loss of employment, of pensions,
revocation
of academic degrees, exclusion from entering some countries,
expulsion
from other countries.
A list of assertions for which no evidence is provided.
Deniers always exaggerate the reactions to the despicable views.
Do they expect us to take their testimonial evidence as proof?
Where
is
the scientific evidence?
I keep asking Alex Vangel for proof of his claims. I get one of 3
responses to my inquiries:
(1)Another unsubstantiated speech by some
Nazi
(2)NO response
(3)He tells me: You can't discuss anything with a Jew.
The last time he told me it is his "duty" to render me "harmless".
HEY, ALEX, YOU USELESS BAG OF *****! MY ADDRESS HAS BEEN POSTED.
ANYTIME YOU WANNA TRY AND RENDER ME HARMLESS, JUST COME ON OVER AND
TRY
IT.
Poor Alex, anther waste of a human life. He once confessed that he was
getting paid to post his Nazi garbage, that it was his only source of
income (we can guess why), but that he was extremely proud to do it.
Such people actually exist.
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