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"127.0.0.1" |
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02 Mar 2006 10:11:32 PM |
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When Logic Fails. |
When Logic Fails
Opinion; Posted on: 2006-03-02 20:08:59 [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
by Alpin MacLaren
WE ARE ALL the same, we are told. Skin color and the shape of our lips and
noses don't matter at all. There are no racial differences of significance.
Okay, let's accept that for the moment as a working hypothesis. Where does
it lead us?
1. If there are no differences, then having a society that is all-White
would be equal in all ways with any other racial arrangement of society,
including all-Black, all-Asian, or any mix of as many races as you can
think of. It is impossible for all races to be equal, and at the same time
for there to be anything at all inferior, wrong, or bad in having an
all-White society. Ethically, and logically, there can be no argument
against a society choosing to be all-White. The only way for there to be
any logical argument in favor of any particular racial arrangement is for
there to be significant racial differences. If there are no racial
differences, no valid case can be made in favor of integration.
2. How can we "celebrate diversity," if there are no significant differences
between the races? Diversity, by definition, exists in groupings of
different -- and therefore unequal -- items. It is impossible to have a
grouping of equal items and call them diverse. If there are no racial
differences, it is impossible to "celebrate diversity" -- because there can
be no diversity.
3. If racial differences do not matter, then human history must necessarily
show us that all the human races always get along well together whenever
they coexist in the same society.If there are no racial differences, there
can be no such things as race riots or racial conflicts of any kind.
The school system and the Media Lords constantly claim that racial diversity
is our greatest strength. How can this be? This could be true only if the
races are different, and each race's weaknesses are compensated for by the
strengths of other races.
If that were true, America could never have come to be. For, all during the
time that America grew up, and grew strong, and right up into the 1960s, we
were a White nation! During that time, the Blacks were either slaves,
serving the same purpose as farm machinery serves today, or living separate
lives with little impact on the American way of life. Other races were not
even on our soil in significant numbers. Clearly the White race did not
have any weaknesses that needed to be compensated by "diversity." The White
race was sufficient unto itself for the purpose of creating the greatest
nation that had ever existed on the planet. Therefore, clearly, "diversity"
as it is promoted today was not even in existence during our rise to power,
so it was not even a minor strength, let alone our "greatest strength."
And what of the time since the 1960s when such "diversity" actually has
become a factor in this land? In what ways has it improved America? Do we
communicate better, with English being better spoken today by all our
citizens? Do we listen to the same music; are we bringing the culture we
inherited to even greater heights than before? Do we have the same goals
for our government? Are we truly stronger for having disrupted our
homogeneous society? To any unbiased observer, in every case where racial
"diversity" has supervened, weakness has been inflicted upon our society.
Today, instead of having one language spoken in America, there are over 200
languages, and many of the people speaking them are demanding that we
provide education and official documents in their native tongues. We are
growing more and more separated by language because of "diversity." This is
clearly a very serious weakness that will lead to very difficult times in
the future, and almost certainly will include bloodshed. It would be insane
to call that a strength.
Every sizable organization has its sub-organizations that are dedicated to
race. For example, the Republican Party has its Black sub-party. You pick
any large organization, and you will find that it will have its racial
sub-groupings demanding to be heard. This is a clear sign of division, not
of strength.
Race riots occur regularly, and Blacks seem to think that rioting is just
good clean fun whenever something doesn't go the way they'd prefer. (Can
you imagine what would happen to America if Whites acted like that?) Racial
diversity is not, and never has been, a strength in any society which
suffered from it. It is something that will divide and destroy any society
that practices it. Anyone who objectively looks at what has happened to
America will see that we are in an inferior position socially than we were
50 years ago, and that in another 50 years we will be unrecognizable -- we
will be essentially indistinguishable from the Third World.
It is only by admitting that racial differences exist that we can conceive
of ideas such as "integration," or "celebrating diversity." It is only by
granting racial difference that we can explain the racial tension and
bloodshed that has followed racial diversity wherever it has existed.
Since our own government, by its own actions (forced integration,
affirmative action, etc.), has admitted that racial differences exist, then
we have a right to ask, since racial differences are real and significant,
and America was great before diversity was forced upon us, why do we not
have the right to continue living in the racially homogeneous society that
existed through nearly the first two centuries of America's history?
Clearly history and the odds are in favor of a much happier, safer, saner,
and harmonious existence by celebrating homogeneity instead of diversity.
We not only have the right to ask that question, we have the right to
demand that our government return our land to us, and to repatriate all of
the non-Whites within our borders today. Our government had no
Constitutional right to destroy our homogeneity, and so every action that
it has taken to do so has been an illegal one.
All the bumper stickers, tee-shirts, and signs today which proclaim "United
We Stand" constitute a huge sick joke -- and the joke is on us. How can
anyone be so blind as to think that a racially diverse land, with each
racial group demanding its piece of the pie, while being suspicious of all
the other racial groups and what they are getting from the pie, will ever
be united?
And if it cannot be united, how can any land that "celebrates diversity"
continue to stand? It cannot, and it will not. The only way for America to
stand is for White Americans to band together and retake this land that
their ancestors bequeathed to them, and that their government has illegally
stolen from them, and handed over to interlopers from other lands. If we do
not do that, we will see what "divided we fall" really means.
http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=8128
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| User: "abracadabra" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 01:25:34 PM |
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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:22865722.BtakgvuxjJ@OpenBSD...
When Logic Fails
Opinion; Posted on: 2006-03-02 20:08:59 [ Printer friendly / Instant
flyer ]
by Alpin MacLaren
WE ARE ALL the same, we are told.
No, we're not told "we're all the same". But the differences between the
races are nothing compared to the differences between the sexes. The
percentage of people in the world who would be of a "pure race" is so small
that worrying about racial differences is silly. Most "whites" are mongrels
made up of many people. Same with American blacks and Latinos. Some ethnic
groups (tribes) in South America, Africa or South Asia (including Australia,
etc.) might be "pure blooded" enough to make some comparisons. Icelanders
might also fall into that category. Otherwise, what use would be any attempt
at comparing racial abilities?
Skin color and the shape of our lips and
noses don't matter at all. There are no racial differences of
significance.
Pretty much true.
Okay, let's accept that for the moment as a working hypothesis. Where does
it lead us?
1. If there are no differences, then having a society that is all-White
would be equal in all ways with any other racial arrangement of society,
including all-Black, all-Asian, or any mix of as many races as you can
think of.
If your talking about forcing a society to be all one color, that would be
different from a multi-ethnic society. Personally I'd bet my money on the
multi-ethnic culture over a "pure color" culture over the long run.
It is impossible for all races to be equal, and at the same time
for there to be anything at all inferior, wrong, or bad in having an
all-White society. Ethically, and logically, there can be no argument
against a society choosing to be all-White.
Yes there can - racial purity is pointless - there are no benefits, while
there are drawbacks. Aside from that, how do you create any "pure white"
society without displacing non-whites?
2. How can we "celebrate diversity," if there are no significant
differences
between the races? Diversity, by definition, exists in groupings of
different -- and therefore unequal
Two things being different doesn't equal one being better than the other.
3. If racial differences do not matter, then human history must
necessarily
show us that all the human races always get along well together whenever
they coexist in the same society.
People might form groups based on ethnicity, religion, or nationality - when
they compete for scarce resources with a different group, they won't "get
along" - that has nothing to do with "racial differences". People are herd
animals, and they will find a common bond to hold the herd together. It
might be genetic, religious, genetic and religious, etc.
If that were true, America could never have come to be. For, all during
the
time that America grew up, and grew strong, and right up into the 1960s,
we
were a White nation!
Nope, not even close. America was never a pure "white nation", simply
because we had many different ethnic groups coming here. Many "whites"
didn't consider Jews and Southern Europeans to be "white". Many whites
considered the Irish to be sub-human. Don't forget that a big part of the
country has always been partly hispanic, or our importation of folks from
Asia and Africa to do our work for us.
During that time, the Blacks were either slaves,
serving the same purpose as farm machinery serves today, or living
separate
lives with little impact on the American way of life.
Gee, guess you never heard of "the blues", "Jazz" or "Rock and Roll". MLK (a
black guy, in case you didn't know) is probably the greatest American this
country ever produced.
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| User: "Secret Squirrel" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 11:01:24 AM |
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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in
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When Logic Fails
Opinion; Posted on: 2006-03-02 20:08:59 [ Printer friendly
/ Instant flyer ]
by Alpin MacLaren
WE ARE ALL the same, we are told. Skin color and the shape
of our lips and noses don't matter at all. There are no
racial differences of significance. Okay, let's accept that
for the moment as a working hypothesis. Where does it lead
us?
1. If there are no differences, then having a society that
is all-White would be equal in all ways with any other
racial arrangement of society, including all-Black,
all-Asian, or any mix of as many races as you can think of.
It is impossible for all races to be equal, and at the same
time for there to be anything at all inferior, wrong, or
bad in having an all-White society.
Except it would be BORING.
Ethically, and
logically, there can be no argument against a society
choosing to be all-White.
Sure there would. Because it would require using *coercion*
to prohibit people from associating with others who they
please.
You nazis have a real prob with that "freedom" thing, now
don't you?
The only way for there to be any
logical argument in favor of any particular racial
arrangement is for there to be significant racial
differences. If there are no racial differences, no valid
case can be made in favor of integration.
Integration is the result when people have the ability
to freely make choices. Segregation requires external
coercion.
When people have freedom, they will associate with whoever
they please, *and*, including marrying them.
2. How can we "celebrate diversity," if there are no
significant differences between the races?
Because:
1) we recognize that different groups in society have
their own history and culture and heritage which has
elements worthy of celebrating;
2) who wants to live in a society where everyone's
alike?
Diversity, by
definition, exists in groupings of different -- and
therefore unequal
"Different" means "and therefore unequal"?
Ultimately, no two of anything are absolutely identical.
EVERYTHING is "different". No two TV sets, of the same
brand made by the same manufacturer, are identical. Yet
we consider them "equal" in terms of usage and function.
In fact, we might even extend said "equality" function
across similar products made by different manufacturers,
save, a Honda Civic vs a Toyota Corolla.
No problem extending the same to people. The differences
that we see in society are *not* the products of silly,
outmoded, concepts of "race" (all predicated, btw, on
exterior, observable differences while ignoring equally
heritable but invisible ones---wanna see what a map of
humanity looks like divided into PTC tasters and non-tasters?).
They are the products of history and culture.
-- items. It is impossible to have a
grouping of equal items and call them diverse. If there are
no racial differences, it is impossible to "celebrate
diversity" -- because there can be no diversity.
Sure there is. There's the diversity of history and heritage
and culture. Heck, that exists even amoung groups of so-called
"white" people--Irish-Americans, for one example.
3. If racial differences do not matter, then human history
must necessarily show us that all the human races always
get along well together whenever they coexist in the same
society.If there are no racial differences, there can be no
such things as race riots or racial conflicts of any kind.
Duh, what about all the conflicts that occur between
classes and factions *within* so-called "races". Most
"racial" conflict arises from some sort of unfair or
discriminatory bias within a society that results in
economic or political unfairness.
You guys should really learn a thing or two before making
an appeal to "logic", ya hear?
Secret Squirrel
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 11:19:42 AM |
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In article <KL70JIUZ38779.4593055556@anonymous.poster> Secret Squirrel <ssquirrel@nottheremailer.net> writes:
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"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1W.0.0.1> wrote in
news:22865722.BtakgvuxjJ@OpenBSD:
When Logic Fails
Opinion; Posted on: 2006-03-02 20:08:59 [ Printer friendly
/ Instant flyer ]
by Alpin MacLaren
WE ARE ALL the same, we are told. Skin color and the shape
of our lips and noses don't matter at all. There are no
racial differences of significance. Okay, let's accept that
for the moment as a working hypothesis. Where does it lead
us?
1. If there are no differences, then having a society that
is all-White would be equal in all ways with any other
racial arrangement of society, including all-Black,
all-Asian, or any mix of as many races as you can think of.
It is impossible for all races to be equal, and at the same
time for there to be anything at all inferior, wrong, or
bad in having an all-White society.
Except it would be BORING.
"Polkas and waltzes, Dr. Pierce? You mean that's IT?"
-- cary
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 11:22:55 AM |
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The only way for America to
stand is for White Americans to band together and retake this land that
their ancestors bequeathed to them, and that their government has illegally
stolen from them, and handed over to interlopers from other lands.
And then being honest upright citizens, White Americans will give it
back to the Native American Indians from whom the land was stolen by
their ancestors.
nationalvanguard.org (where decent, upright, like-minded folk can
kick-back and have a good hate)
Captain Seabass of America
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| User: "Byker" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 04:30:08 PM |
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The only way for America to
stand is for White Americans to band together and retake this land that
their ancestors bequeathed to them, and that their government has
illegally
stolen from them, and handed over to interlopers from other lands.
And then being honest upright citizens, White Americans will give it
back to the Native American Indians from whom the land was stolen by
their ancestors.
But then how would the Injuns make it without palefaces to swarm into their
casinos?
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| User: "dragonlady" |
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| Title: Re: When Logic Fails. |
03 Mar 2006 05:33:33 PM |
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In article <Qr3Of.6311$S25.1121@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> wrote:
The only way for America to
stand is for White Americans to band together and retake this land that
their ancestors bequeathed to them, and that their government has
illegally
stolen from them, and handed over to interlopers from other lands.
And then being honest upright citizens, White Americans will give it
back to the Native American Indians from whom the land was stolen by
their ancestors.
But then how would the Injuns make it without palefaces to swarm into their
casinos?
If we got all the land back we wouldn't need the casinos anymore.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care
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