p.s. before you say anything, I happen to be straight.

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am very...VVEERRYY..slow to make conclusions like this, and I've been
wrestling over it for months, yet I can reach no other conclusion but
that the makers of X-Men's movies are using this movie series to push
homosexuality.

I know..I know...many will say, "You are just now getting that?"

The big "coming out" scene with Iceman's parents should've been a big clue.
However, I wanted to be sure.

Now, I'm not stupid.

I know this review will be immediately attacked on here.

It's not the gay part of the movie series I have a problem with so much
as the propaganda part, that they feel they need to lie and hide their
homosexuality in a film ABOUT homosexuality.

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1142956081.798958.292430@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

3. Considering the low number of homosexuals in the nation

What on earth makes you say that?

Run this experiement: Join a gay personals site, and see
all the people in your neighborhood, even if it's a small
town in the Midwest, who are there.

You'll be surprised.

(even considering the number of hollywood), this movie's
number of gay actors is rather high. Actors from this
movie series that have either professed being gay, been
rumored to be gay, or have played a homosexual on screen
are: Ian McKellen (Magneto), Hugh Jackman (Wolverine),
Patrick Stewart (Xavier), Famke Janssen (Jean/Phoenix),
Anna Paquin (Rogue), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), Ellen Page
(Kitty), James Marsden (Cyclops), etc. There were a few
other names I am almost sure are gay, as well. However, I
limited the list to those that had specific proof of it.

What's this? You're claiming to have some sort of enhanced
gaydar?

It's not the gay part of the movie series I have a problem
with so much as the propaganda part, that they feel they
need to lie and hide their homosexuality in a film ABOUT
homosexuality. I think the homosexual movement has, now,
come full circle and has become the very thing they fought
against - deceptive prejudice.

Yet not against Narnia, eh?

I'm not going to read your post, because obviously you're a quack.

it up for us: by "gay propaganda," do you mean it advocates equal
rights and equal treatment for homosexuals, or does it actively
encourage all the patrons to have sex with other men?

I'm not going to read your post, because obviously you're a quack. Sum
it up for us: by "gay propaganda," do you mean it advocates equal
rights and equal treatment for homosexuals, or does it actively
encourage all the patrons to have sex with other men?

In article <1142956081.798958.292430@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

I am very...VVEERRYY..slow to make conclusions like this, and I've been
wrestling over it for months, yet I can reach no other conclusion but
that the makers of X-Men's movies are using this movie series to push
homosexuality.

I know..I know...many will say, "You are just now getting that?" The
big "coming out" scene with Iceman's parents should've been a big clue.
However, I wanted to be sure. So, I've done a lot of research into
this. What I found is this...

1. Byran Singer (Director of: Xmen 1 and 2 and began 3) was quoted to
have told Ian McKellen that this movie series is about gay politics.

Cite, please. Even better: exact quote, please.

In article <1142956081.798958.292430@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

I am very...VVEERRYY..slow to make conclusions like this, and I've been
wrestling over it for months, yet I can reach no other conclusion but
that the makers of X-Men's movies are using this movie series to push
homosexuality.

I know..I know...many will say, "You are just now getting that?" The
big "coming out" scene with Iceman's parents should've been a big clue.
However, I wanted to be sure. So, I've done a lot of research into
this. What I found is this...

1. Byran Singer (Director of: Xmen 1 and 2 and began 3) was quoted to
have told Ian McKellen that this movie series is about gay politics.

Cite, please. Even better: exact quote, please.

In article <1142956081.798958.292430@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "Wide Eyed
in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:

I am very...VVEERRYY..slow to make conclusions like this, and I've been
wrestling over it for months, yet I can reach no other conclusion but
that the makers of X-Men's movies are using this movie series to push
homosexuality.

I know..I know...many will say, "You are just now getting that?" The
big "coming out" scene with Iceman's parents should've been a big clue.
However, I wanted to be sure. So, I've done a lot of research into
this. What I found is this...

1. Byran Singer (Director of: Xmen 1 and 2 and began 3) was quoted to
have told Ian McKellen that this movie series is about gay politics.

Cite, please. Even better: exact quote, please.




I've been reading the book(s) for over twenty-five years. X-Men
during all that time has clearly been modeled on the civil rights
movement. More specifically, Charles Xavier takes the Martin
Luther King approach, with what they quite explicitly call "Xaiver's
dream", a dream of a world where humans and mutants live peacefully
together. Magneto takes after Malcolm X, viewing Xavier's dream
as dangerously foolish, and advocates whatever amount of violence
is required to make a world which is safe for mutants.

And in fact the writers put Malcolm's most famous quote:
"By any means necessary", into Magneto's mouth.

If X-Men is "about" anything other than what it simply is, it's "about"
the oppressed black minority, and not about the oppressed gay minority.

2. Ian McKellen has an interview on X-Men 2's DVD where he says that
he, being a gay actor, can relate to the mutant outcasts. Note, also,
that the film makers kept this interview (which is almost all about
homosexuality) on the disc.

3. Considering the low number of homosexuals in the nation (even
considering the number of hollywood), this movie's number of gay actors
is rather high. Actors from this movie series that have either
professed being gay, been rumored to be gay, or have played a
homosexual on screen are: Ian McKellen (Magneto), Hugh Jackman
(Wolverine), Patrick Stewart (Xavier), Famke Janssen (Jean/Phoenix),
Anna Paquin (Rogue), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), Ellen Page (Kitty),
James Marsden (Cyclops), etc. There were a few other names I am almost
sure are gay, as well. However, I limited the list to those that had
specific proof of it.

<SNORT> ... "rumored to be gay,or have played a gay character"?
How about you weed your list of the worthelss gay-by-rumor and gay-by-role
entries, and then show us how many avowedly gay members remain?

4. In the films - As I mentioned before, in Xmen 2, there is a scene
where Iceman's character is being "outed" as a homosexual to his
parents. Their reaction is meant to be one of accepting a gay kid's
sexual choice with quotes like, "Have you ever tried to NOT be a
mutant?"

Yes, that was clearly a gay joke. Quite a good one, too. But you
know something?: I make gay jokes too, and I'm quite straight.

Now, I'm not stupid. I know this review will be immediately attacked
on here. Many will say I'm being homophobic. Quite the opposite
really. I think if they are going to make a gay film, they should SAY
it is a gay film, not trick others into a brainwashing experience at
the movie theater. I thought homosexuals were supposed to be OUT of
the closet, why, then, do they hide their sexual promotion intent from
the audience, unless it is MEANT to trick them into changing them.

You know, watching Rebecca Romjin wearing only a tasteful coat
of paint -- and I'm talking about watching in v e r y s l o w
motion here, a frame at a time at points -- does NOT make me want
to go out and ***** other boys...

Jean Gray is quite hetero, thank you, being deeply involved with
Cyclops when she's not otherwise pre-occupied being dead. Rogue
is raveningly straight, and can think of little else than finding
a way around her "gift" so that she can get laid. Kitty Pride
is, depending on your choice of Marvel universe, involved with
Cyclops, Peter Wisdom, or Iceman. Psylocke is straight. Wolverine
cannot get enough of women, any and all women, darlin'. Emma Frost
is a total man-eater. Scott Summers is too boring to be gay.
Jubilation Lee thinks about boys as often as any teenage girl thinks
about boys. And so it goes, character after character.

And of course that's the books, and not the movie. But I fail
to find a single false note when compring the movie to the
books it was based on. You're taking things away from the movie
which they did not put into it.


-- cary

It's not about gays, it's about any group of people who feels
persecuted. You can draw the parallel to homosexuality because they are
the group most likely to be persecuted in our day and age. (I don't see
laws forbidding Christians to marry or adopt.)

On 21 Mar 2006 07:48:01 -0800, "Wide Eyed in Wonder"
<kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

3. Considering the low number of homosexuals in the nation (even
considering the number of hollywood), this movie's number of gay actors
is rather high. Actors from this movie series that have either
professed being gay, been rumored to be gay, or have played a
homosexual on screen are: Ian McKellen (Magneto), Hugh Jackman
(Wolverine), Patrick Stewart (Xavier), Famke Janssen (Jean/Phoenix),
Anna Paquin (Rogue), Rebecca Romijn (Mystique), Ellen Page (Kitty),
James Marsden (Cyclops), etc. There were a few other names I am almost
sure are gay, as well. However, I limited the list to those that had
specific proof of it.

You do realize that there's a really big difference between "being"
gay and "playing" gay?

And where's that Anna Paquin lesbian footage?