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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM |
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You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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| User: "NeoLibertarian" |
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13 Apr 2006 07:41:20 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
=A9 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager =
was
against impossible odds.
Not only that, they haven't read The Gospel of Judas, either.
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NeoLibertarian
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13 Apr 2006 11:21:25 PM |
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NeoLibertarian wrote:
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
=A9 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Mau=
ndy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wage=
r was
against impossible odds.
Not only that, they haven't read The Gospel of Judas, either.
Anything written by the Gnostics is garbage. Their theology was
founded on the idea that Christ could not have suffered on the cross
because he was a God.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Curt" |
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14 Apr 2006 09:47:34 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Anything written by the Gnostics is garbage. Their theology was
founded on the idea that Christ could not have suffered on the cross
because he was a God.
Robert B. Winn
Why is it garbage?
Curt
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14 Apr 2006 12:25:51 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Anything written by the Gnostics is garbage.
Anything written by any human profit is necessarily imperfect. That means,
unless you're willing to suggest that the scribes and translaters of the
Bible were perfect--ie, godlike--it's all garbage.
All prophets are necessarily false unless they're superhuman. False
prophets, according to the gospels, are contrary to God. False prophets
preaching in the name of Jesus are anti-Christian. Anti-Christian =
satanic. Therefore, anybody claiming to know the word of God based on
something written by man is satanic. Worshipping the Bible is idolatry
because it was written by men, not Jesus or God.
And since all humans are imperfect, all preachers are imperfect, their
messages are necessarily imperfect, and that makes them satanic.
What does the Bible say about satan and false prophets disguised as holy
men?
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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14 Apr 2006 01:10:24 PM |
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2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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14 Apr 2006 02:52:12 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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15 Apr 2006 01:25:28 AM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
No, I honestly think you will continue to pretend you cannot understand
what the apostle Peter said.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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15 Apr 2006 01:11:46 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
No, I honestly think you will continue to pretend you cannot understand
what the apostle Peter said.
I really don't care what he said. It is of little consequence to me.
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16 Apr 2006 07:49:56 AM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145082328.237124.191870@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
No, I honestly think you will continue to pretend you cannot understand
what the apostle Peter said.
I really don't care what he said. It is of little consequence to me.
Well, yes, I knew you did not care what Peter said before I quoted it.
Notice that I quoted it anyway.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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16 Apr 2006 07:47:25 AM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Satan will always disagree with God.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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16 Apr 2006 12:58:22 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Satan will always disagree with God.
Your bible doesn't agree with your assessment.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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16 Apr 2006 08:43:33 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145191645.261710.204830@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Satan will always disagree with God.
Your bible doesn't agree with your assessment.
So show in the Bible where Satan agreed with God.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Dominic Torrazzi" |
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17 Apr 2006 10:41:19 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145191645.261710.204830@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe
we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my
beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were
with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but
holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people
will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Satan will always disagree with God.
Your bible doesn't agree with your assessment.
So show in the Bible where Satan agreed with God.
Robert B. Winn
Since I only need one:
Satan agrees with god
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job,
that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man,
one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his
integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without
cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that
a man hath will he give for his life.
So start readin your bible, bucky.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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17 Apr 2006 11:53:50 PM |
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe
we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ,
but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my
beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were
with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place,
until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but
holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people
will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Satan will always disagree with God.
Your bible doesn't agree with your assessment.
So show in the Bible where Satan agreed with God.
Robert B. Winn
Since I only need one:
Satan agrees with god
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job,
that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man,
one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his
integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without
cause.
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD, and said, Skin for skin, yea, all that
a man hath will he give for his life.
So start readin your bible, bucky.
I have read it. God and Job agreed with each other, not God and Satan.
Robert B. Winn
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17 Apr 2006 11:01:06 AM |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "Dominic Torrazzi"
<DTorrazzi@home4.com> said:
So start readin your bible, bucky.
Like all conspiracy theorists and religious whack-jobs, he'll read and
quote the parts that fit his delusions...
--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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16 Apr 2006 01:14:50 PM |
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On 16 Apr 2006 05:47:25 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Satan will always disagree with God.
They agreed to jack Job around just for the pure demonstration effect
of it.
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16 Apr 2006 08:51:16 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 05:47:25 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Satan will always disagree with God.
They agreed to jack Job around just for the pure demonstration effect
of it.
God said that Job was righteous and eschewed evil, Satan said he could
get Job to curse God. He tried to do it. Job maintained his
integrity. End of story. There was no agreement between God and Satan
at any time.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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14 Apr 2006 02:56:03 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:52:12 -0700, "Dominic Torrazzi"
<DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Mirabile dictu, he really Does believe that.
For the Xtian Fundies, it's not just The Word.
It's the Last Word.
Which is, you must admit, sorta cute as a superstition. It's wielded
as a sort of talisman, or perhaps a club in the promotion of the One
True Faith.
So, when it natters about how just maybe sometime in the future there
might be those who choose Not to be quite as willing to believe as
they, it's taken as some sort of Deep Insight.
Sheesh! One would have imagined that even then, they might have been
aware of others who did not share their superstition.
But then, these statements were really just themselves talking with
themselves.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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15 Apr 2006 01:32:23 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:52:12 -0700, "Dominic Torrazzi"
<DTorrazzi@home4.com> wrote:
So do you honestly think if you whip out a bible quote that people will
supplicate themselves before the word and that's the end of the
disagreement?
Mirabile dictu, he really Does believe that.
For the Xtian Fundies, it's not just The Word.
It's the Last Word.
Which is, you must admit, sorta cute as a superstition. It's wielded
as a sort of talisman, or perhaps a club in the promotion of the One
True Faith.
So, when it natters about how just maybe sometime in the future there
might be those who choose Not to be quite as willing to believe as
they, it's taken as some sort of Deep Insight.
Sheesh! One would have imagined that even then, they might have been
aware of others who did not share their superstition.
But then, these statements were really just themselves talking with
themselves.
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them? So it would not
happen to any great extent except that God commands that it take place.
Robert B. Winn
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15 Apr 2006 11:50:27 AM |
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On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
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16 Apr 2006 08:46:09 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous. The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
Robert B. Winn
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17 Apr 2006 03:34:20 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous. The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
And having done that, shut up.
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24 Apr 2006 02:25:56 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous. The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
And having done that, shut up.
Well, that was not the example set by Christ. He was crucified because
he did not shut up when he was told to.
Robert B. Winn
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17 Apr 2006 11:07:38 AM |
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On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
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18 Apr 2006 09:36:36 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent to
you.
Matthew 3:1 And in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the
wilderness of Judea,
2 And saying Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know, assuredly, that
God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what
shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
Robert B. Winn
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25 Apr 2006 09:20:07 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the
Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent to
you.
Matthew 3:1 And in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the
wilderness of Judea,
2 And saying Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know, assuredly, that
God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what
shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
How embarrassing when the Kingdom of Heaven never got here, eh?
Curt
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25 Apr 2006 11:47:41 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the
Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent to
you.
Matthew 3:1 And in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the
wilderness of Judea,
2 And saying Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know, assuredly, that
God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what
shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
How embarrassing when the Kingdom of Heaven never got here, eh?
Well, you might want to explain your idea to Jesus Christ. We are
supposed to build up his kingom on earth.
Robert B. Winn
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26 Apr 2006 11:46:58 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the
Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available
to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude
by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent
to
you.
Matthew 3:1 And in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the
wilderness of Judea,
2 And saying Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know, assuredly, that
God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what
shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
How embarrassing when the Kingdom of Heaven never got here, eh?
Well, you might want to explain your idea to Jesus Christ. We are
supposed to build up his kingom on earth.
I'm doing my part. I will be fine if he shows up.
Curt
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16 May 2006 08:56:23 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 16 Apr 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 14 Apr 2006 23:32:23 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, when you consider that the wicked will not accept the
Atonement
of Christ, what purpose is there in talking to them?
Just to jack them around, clearly.
But is the converse also true -- that those who do not accept the
doctrine are also Wicked because they don't?
Jesus Christ will judge who is Wicked and who is righteous.
Can you agree to leave it at that?
The only
thing I am required to do is point out that repentance is available
to
the wicked.
You are not Required to do anything at all, least of all to be rude
by
proseletyzing at others.
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent
to
you.
Matthew 3:1 And in those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the
wilderness of Judea,
2 And saying Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 4:16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to
them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the
kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know, assuredly, that
God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and
Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and
said unto Peter and the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what
shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
How embarrassing when the Kingdom of Heaven never got here, eh?
Well, you might want to explain your idea to Jesus Christ. We are
supposed to build up his kingom on earth.
I'm doing my part. I will be fine if he shows up.
This life is the time to prepare to meet God.
Robert B. Winn
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18 Apr 2006 03:59:47 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
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