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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM |
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You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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18 Apr 2006 07:44:42 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145370996.898866.133010@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Say nothing but repentance unto this generation.
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "gatt" |
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19 Apr 2006 12:58:04 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145407482.600080.51130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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20 Apr 2006 06:00:46 AM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145407482.600080.51130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You have
been watching too much science fiction.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "gatt" |
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20 Apr 2006 12:11:29 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You have
been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:06:39 AM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145530846.756241.198320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You have
been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
God is not the author of confusion. Anything claiming to travel
through time is an evil spirit.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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21 Apr 2006 03:03:50 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145530846.756241.198320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You have
been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
God is not the author of confusion. Anything claiming to travel
through time is an evil spirit.
Robert B. Winn
But we don't have to travel through time. All we need do is travel to the
appropriate space.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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22 Apr 2006 05:58:38 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145530846.756241.198320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You have
been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
God is not the author of confusion. Anything claiming to travel
through time is an evil spirit.
Robert B. Winn
But we don't have to travel through time. All we need do is travel to the
appropriate space.
Well, I know a man who went to Israel and drank water from Jacob's
well. I do not have to do it that way myself. I read about Jacob's
well in the Bible, and I can tell whether it is there without drinking
water from it.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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23 Apr 2006 04:10:29 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145530846.756241.198320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You
have been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
God is not the author of confusion. Anything claiming to travel
through time is an evil spirit.
Robert B. Winn
But we don't have to travel through time. All we need do is travel to
the appropriate space.
Well, I know a man who went to Israel and drank water from Jacob's
well. I do not have to do it that way myself. I read about Jacob's
well in the Bible, and I can tell whether it is there without drinking
water from it.
Robert B. Winn
Better get the meds checked.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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23 Apr 2006 02:23:05 PM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145530846.756241.198320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Which generation? Peter's or ours?
Ours. We live in this one.
LOL! Looks who's talking absolute time now.
Oh, so now you are claiming that you want to be an evil spirit.
Relativity of time does not mean that time goes backward. You
have been watching too much science fiction.
Dude...seriously. Are you stoned?
What does ANY of that have to do with being an "evil spirit"?
God is not the author of confusion. Anything claiming to travel
through time is an evil spirit.
Robert B. Winn
But we don't have to travel through time. All we need do is travel to
the appropriate space.
Well, I know a man who went to Israel and drank water from Jacob's
well. I do not have to do it that way myself. I read about Jacob's
well in the Bible, and I can tell whether it is there without drinking
water from it.
Robert B. Winn
Better get the meds checked.
Now hurry. We can wait while you do it.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Lobby Dosser" |
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24 Apr 2006 03:22:04 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Better get the meds checked.
Now hurry. We can wait while you do it.
Good Boy! Have a donut.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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18 Apr 2006 09:40:39 AM |
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On 18 Apr 2006 07:36:36 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
Repentance was always available to anyone.
There was simply no need to make a big deal out of it.
Well, I will show you why the doctrine of repentance is so abhorrent to
you.
It's not abhorrent at all. There is no organized superstition with a
lock on repentance.
If you do ill to someone, ask their forgiveness.
That's all that's required.
Dressing it up in some artificial rite, strewn about with
pronouncements from a self-appointed Master of the Rite, seems
entirely unnecessary.
The rest is mumbo-jumbo, and derives Only from the things that True
Believers choose to follow to satisfy their own superstitions.
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| User: "gatt" |
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14 Apr 2006 01:52:28 PM |
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What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again, folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Ephesians 6:5-9, "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear..."
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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17 Apr 2006 11:07:26 AM |
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gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again, folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
Ephesians 6:5-9, "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear..."
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145038224.546413.143250@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, whe we
made known unto you the power andcoming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but
were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there
came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved
Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with
him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well
that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until
the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any
private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of men; but holy
men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Robert B. Winn
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Curt" |
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25 Apr 2006 09:18:24 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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26 Apr 2006 11:15:56 AM |
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"Curt" <cje@hevanet.com>
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
In this case, apparently, a god who says "Love me! Worship me!
Adore me ... or I'll burn you forever and ever and ever and
ever ... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!"
A god who's the moral equivalent of a four year old with a gun.
-- cary
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 12:49:31 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
A god who's the moral equivalent of a four year old with a gun.
Yer a rotten piece of *****!
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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25 Apr 2006 11:43:46 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Curt" |
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26 Apr 2006 11:45:58 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1146026626.000265.117910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well
recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not
going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be
hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till
the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live..
you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
Not to harass people.
Curt
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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26 Apr 2006 11:20:21 AM |
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In article <1146026626.000265.117910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
He did?
Where?
-- cary
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27 Apr 2006 07:36:07 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1146026626.000265.117910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
He did?
Where?
All through the Bible.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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27 Apr 2006 07:41:54 PM |
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In article <1146184567.462613.40780@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1146026626.000265.117910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" < > writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
He did?
Where?
All through the Bible.
Well, no, I'd like a few specific verses, if you don't mind...
-- cary
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28 Apr 2006 03:15:36 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1146184567.462613.40780@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1146026626.000265.117910@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" < > writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Jesus Christ said to use scriptures.
He did?
Where?
All through the Bible.
Well, no, I'd like a few specific verses, if you don't mind...
Deut 6:7 teach them diligently unto thy children;17:19 read thereon
all the days of his life; 31:11 read this law before all Israel. Josh
1:8 meditate therein day and night; 2 Kings 23:2 read the words of
the book of the covenant; Ezra 7:10 prepared his heart to seek the law;
Neh 8:8 read in the book in the law of God; Isa 34:16 Seek ye out the
book of the Lord; Matt 22:29 Ye do err , not knowing the scriptures;
Luke 16:31 hear not Moses and the prophets; 24:27 he expounded unto
them in all the scriptures; John 5:39 Search the scriptures, for in
them ye think ye have eternal life. 5:47 if ye believe not his
writings, how shall ye believe my words; Acts 17:11 searched the
scriptures daily; 18:28 shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was
Christ; Rom 15:4 through comfort of the scriptures might have hope; 2
Tim 2:15 study the word of truth; 3:15 scriptures, which are able to
make thee wise; 2 Pet 1:20 no prophecy of the scriptures is of any
private interpretation; Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth the words.
Robert B. Winn
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26 Apr 2006 02:23:50 PM |
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Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
Rom 1:26-27
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which
is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
which was meet.
KJV
Jude 7-8
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
KJV
Ain't going to happen curt!
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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26 Apr 2006 03:03:21 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
"Nor adulterers"... Of course Jesus said that anyone who divorces
and then gets married again is an adulterer (exceptions for unfaithfulness).
By my estimate, that's around 40-45% of all adult Americans; nearly
half of Americans are hell-bound due to divorce and re-marriage.
"nor fornicators" -- Un oh. Pre-marital sex bumps our estimate
up to ... what... 80%? of all Americans? 90% of all Americans?
What in the WORlD are you doing wasing your time on the two or
three percent of Americans who are homosexuals, when nearly
all of the rest of us divorcees and girlfriend-fuckers are
equally damned? Hmmmm?
Couldn't be because fornication is a sin that doesn't give
you the icks, but sodomy is? Could it?
Gee, that would be so unworthy of you.
-- cary
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29 Apr 2006 01:52:10 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
"Nor adulterers"... Of course Jesus said that anyone who divorces
and then gets married again is an adulterer (exceptions for unfaithfulness).
By my estimate, that's around 40-45% of all adult Americans; nearly
half of Americans are hell-bound due to divorce and re-marriage.
"nor fornicators" -- Un oh. Pre-marital sex bumps our estimate
up to ... what... 80%? of all Americans? 90% of all Americans?
What in the WORlD are you doing wasing your time on the two or
three percent of Americans who are homosexuals, when nearly
all of the rest of us divorcees and girlfriend-fuckers are
equally damned? Hmmmm?
Couldn't be because fornication is a sin that doesn't give
you the icks, but sodomy is? Could it?
Gee, that would be so unworthy of you.
Any sexual sin is something I stay away from. Heterosexual adulterers
are just as bad as homosexuals, but they are not claiming marital
rights the way homosexuals are.
Robert B. Winn
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27 Apr 2006 07:26:18 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
"Nor adulterers"... Of course Jesus said that anyone who divorces
and then gets married again is an adulterer (exceptions for unfaithfulness).
By my estimate, that's around 40-45% of all adult Americans; nearly
half of Americans are hell-bound due to divorce and re-marriage.
"nor fornicators" -- Un oh. Pre-marital sex bumps our estimate
up to ... what... 80%? of all Americans? 90% of all Americans?
What in the WORlD are you doing wasing your time on the two or
three percent of Americans who are homosexuals, when nearly
all of the rest of us divorcees and girlfriend-fuckers are
equally damned? Hmmmm?
Couldn't be because fornication is a sin that doesn't give
you the icks, but sodomy is? Could it?
Gee, that would be so unworthy of you.
Any sin will keep the sinner out of heaven unless there is repentance.]
Robert B. Winn
-- cary
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27 Apr 2006 07:41:08 PM |
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In article <1146183978.462208.107570@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
"Nor adulterers"... Of course Jesus said that anyone who divorces
and then gets married again is an adulterer (exceptions for unfaithfulness).
By my estimate, that's around 40-45% of all adult Americans; nearly
half of Americans are hell-bound due to divorce and re-marriage.
"nor fornicators" -- Un oh. Pre-marital sex bumps our estimate
up to ... what... 80%? of all Americans? 90% of all Americans?
What in the WORlD are you doing wasing your time on the two or
three percent of Americans who are homosexuals, when nearly
all of the rest of us divorcees and girlfriend-fuckers are
equally damned? Hmmmm?
Couldn't be because fornication is a sin that doesn't give
you the icks, but sodomy is? Could it?
Gee, that would be so unworthy of you.
Any sin will keep the sinner out of heaven unless there is repentance.]
And yet homosexuality is the only one you keep bringing up. Repeatedly.
-- cary
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29 Apr 2006 08:56:53 AM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1146183978.462208.107570@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> writes:
Curt wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
news:pJCdnW7PPNnaIN7Z4p2dnA@comcast.com...
gatt wrote:
What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite
from
the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going
to
win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,
folks
who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:
Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.
Matt 10:33
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV
Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!
I think it's great that you have something to worship.
Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till the
Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live.. you
know, doing unto others and all..?
Curt
Lev 18:23
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV
1 Cor 6:9
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV
"Nor adulterers"... Of course Jesus said that anyone who divorces
and then gets married again is an adulterer (exceptions for unfaithfulness).
By my estimate, that's around 40-45% of all adult Americans; nearly
half of Americans are hell-bound due to divorce and re-marriage.
"nor fornicators" -- Un oh. Pre-marital sex bumps our estimate
up to ... what... 80%? of all Americans? 90% of all Americans?
What in the WORlD are you doing wasing your time on the two or
three percent of Americans who are homosexuals, when nearly
all of the rest of us divorcees and girlfriend-fuckers are
equally damned? Hmmmm?
Couldn't be because fornication is a sin that doesn't give
you the icks, but sodomy is? Could it?
Gee, that would be so unworthy of you.
Any sin will keep the sinner out of heaven unless there is repentance.]
And yet homosexuality is the only one you keep bringing up. Repeatedly.
No, it was the one you kept bringing up. You and your friends were
going to change the marriage laws to include homosexuals. Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage, although Christ taught
against divorce, but homosexuality cannot be resolved except by
repentance. It remains a sin with or without government sanction.
Robert B. Winn
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage,
Where is there any divorce in the Bible? The Church says there is no such
thing as divorce - and they've been studying the bible for 2000 years. Your
bible says 'what God has joined together, let no man put asunder'.
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29 Apr 2006 02:31:19 PM |
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Baxter wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage,
Where is there any divorce in the Bible?
Deuteronomy 24:1-2
Peace and justice,
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