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User:	"Dominic Torrazzi"
Date:	13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM
Object:	You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column

If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
� 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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User: "samurai"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	29 Apr 2006 02:58:58 PM

Bill Shatzer wrote:
Peace and justice,

War and oppression,
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User: "PerfectlyAble"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 08:22:35 AM

Christianity wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the
uncontrolled use of violance and it's persistent threat.
Not until Christianity was reduced to a bunch of
old men farting themselves to sleep, out of touch,
cloistered, and irrelevent, was civilisation able to
use violance in highly controlled and very potently
threatening.
Peace and justice without ordered violance is impossible.
Jihadism is a step back to a previous time when
religion was taken far to seriously and caused the
destruction of society in disordered violance.
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User: "samurai"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 12:23:33 PM

PerfectlyAble wrote:

Christianity wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the
uncontrolled use of violance

***** you, drop dead, eat *****.
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 09:06:28 PM

PerfectlyAble wrote:

Christianity wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the
uncontrolled use of violance and it's persistent threat.

Not until Christianity was reduced to a bunch of
old men farting themselves to sleep, out of touch,
cloistered, and irrelevent, was civilisation able to
use violance in highly controlled and very potently
threatening.

Peace and justice without ordered violance is impossible.
Jihadism is a step back to a previous time when
religion was taken far to seriously and caused the
destruction of society in disordered violance.

Go tell it to a peace and justice Muslim.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "rbwinn"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 12:07:51 AM

PerfectlyAble wrote:

Christianity wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the
uncontrolled use of violance and it's persistent threat.

Not until Christianity was reduced to a bunch of
old men farting themselves to sleep, out of touch,
cloistered, and irrelevent, was civilisation able to
use violance in highly controlled and very potently
threatening.

Peace and justice without ordered violance is impossible.
Jihadism is a step back to a previous time when
religion was taken far to seriously and caused the
destruction of society in disordered violance.

Peace and violence are opposites.
Robert B. Winn
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User: "rbwinn"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	29 Apr 2006 01:29:59 PM

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Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage,

Where is there any divorce in the Bible? The Church says there is no such
thing as divorce - and they've been studying the bible for 2000 years. Your
bible says 'what God has joined together, let no man put asunder'.

Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to goive a
writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts
suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not
so.
Robert B. Winn
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User: "Baxter"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 05:49:16 PM

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Baxter wrote:

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage,

Where is there any divorce in the Bible? The Church says there is no

such

thing as divorce - and they've been studying the bible for 2000 years.

Your

bible says 'what God has joined together, let no man put asunder'.

Quote the context - not just the parts you like.
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Matthew 19:4-9: No divorce allowed: "...Have ye not read, that he which made
them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause
shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they
twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say
unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and
to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your
hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was
not so.
The Pharisees were challenging Jesus' beliefs about divorce. They asked him
to interpret the passage in Deuteronomy 24:1-2 which allowed a husband to
divorce his wife if he "found some uncleanness in her." Here, Jesus states
that at the time of the world's creation, divorce was not allowed. However,
God permitted the Hebrews in Moses' time (and later) to divorce their wives,
perhaps because they could not have accepted a prohibition on divorce at
that time.
Jesus restored the prohibition against divorce with the statement: "What
therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/div_rc.htm
Also - NO remarriage:
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Luke 16:18: No divorce, on any grounds: "Whosoever putteth away his wife,
and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that
is put away from her husband committeth adultery." This appears to be a
third version of the same incident with the Pharisees. Here, Jesus does not
specifically condemn marital separation or divorce. But he forbids
remarriage.
bullet 1 Corinthians 7:10-12: No divorce, on any grounds: "And unto the
married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her
husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled
to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. Paul wrote this
passage in response to questions raised by the church at Corinth about
divorce and remarriage. He says that God does not allow divorce. If a couple
divorces against the will of God, then their only options are to remain
single, or to reconcile and restore their marriage.
(ibid)
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 09:47:33 AM

Baxter wrote:

Now as far
as adultery between men and women is concerned, that sin can be
resolved somewhat by divorce and marriage,

Hey baxter do you and the other nut jobs know God Divorced Israel at one
time?
Isa 50:1
50:1 Thus saith the LORD, Where is the bill of your mother's
divorcement, whom I have put away? or which of my creditors is it to
whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold
yourselves, and for your transgressions is your mother put away.
KJV
But there is a WHOLE lot more to the story then what is quoted above.
You may want to actually read the bible for comprehension. And he hates
divorce.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Curt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	26 Apr 2006 04:25:18 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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gatt wrote:

What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite

from

the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going

win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,

folks

who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:

Aaa, yes but when that great day comes, those idiots that refsuse to
listen, will have no excuses when asked why they turned away. Not like
they haven't been given the opportunity.

Matt 10:33

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven.
KJV

Better to be a "Jesus Freak" then TOAST!

I think it's great that you have something to worship.

Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till

the

Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live..

you

know, doing unto others and all..?

Curt

Lev 18:23

22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
KJV

Lev 20:13

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death;
their blood shall be upon them.
KJV

1 Cor 6:9

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
KJV

Rom 1:26-27

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which
is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
which was meet.
KJV

Jude 7-8

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise
dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
KJV

Ain't going to happen curt!

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass gays.
I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.
Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff. He was
about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor fired
from his teaching job because he's gay.
"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes up
with something like that?
Curt
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	26 Apr 2006 07:28:10 PM

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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gatt wrote:

What you jesus-freaks fail to understand is, you might as well recite

from

the Quran to validate Osama bin Laden or Dianetics to validate L Ron
Hubbard. It doesn't fly. People aren't convinced. You're not going

win arguments by falling back to scripture because, time and again,

folks

who preach the Bible at others demonstrate themselves to be hypocrites
merely trying to subjugate others:

I think it's great that you have something to worship.

Now maybe you Christians could get off harassing the gays? I mean, till

the

Baby Jeeezus gets here and all, maybe you could just live and let live..

you

know, doing unto others and all..?

Curt

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass gays.

I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.

Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff. He was
about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor fired
from his teaching job because he's gay.

Ya got to want forgiveness before you can have it. You don't just give
forgiveness when the person did not want or ask for it. They have to
want to change and they do. There are a number of EX-Homosexuals but how
often do you hear about them. Not from the very leftist news media you
won't.

"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes up
with something like that?

Curt

Curt, I do not go out and harass gays. This is a discussion group. I
don't run up and punch them in the nose. Remember that saying? Love the
sinner and hate the sin? It is sick and it is filthy and I do my best
not to be around them anymore then necessary but no, My days of filling
a coke bottle with sand and laying it across their face is long, long
over. To damn old for that anymore.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Curt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	27 Apr 2006 02:36:48 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass

gays.

I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.

Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff. He

was

about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor

fired

from his teaching job because he's gay.

"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes up
with something like that?

Curt

Well, I never had those days, myself.
But you still advocated firing them from teaching positions, not letting
them adopt, etc. Why is that? They don't do any harm, and if God has a
problem with them for sharing a foxhole, why don't you let God deal with
them when the time comes?
Curt
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	27 Apr 2006 08:52:38 PM

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass

gays.

I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.

Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff. He

was

about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor

fired

from his teaching job because he's gay.

"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes up
with something like that?

Curt

Well, I never had those days, myself.

But you still advocated firing them from teaching positions, not letting
them adopt, etc. Why is that? They don't do any harm, and if God has a
problem with them for sharing a foxhole, why don't you let God deal with
them when the time comes?

Curt

Man, talk about thick! I don't let someone run a knife across my throat
either and figure let God sort it out. Please, go buy a clue curt.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Curt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	28 Apr 2006 10:32:22 AM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass

gays.

I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.

Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff.

was

about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor

fired

from his teaching job because he's gay.

how

often do you hear about them. Not from the very leftist news media you
won't.

"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes

with something like that?

Curt

Well, I never had those days, myself.

But you still advocated firing them from teaching positions, not letting
them adopt, etc. Why is that? They don't do any harm, and if God has a
problem with them for sharing a foxhole, why don't you let God deal with
them when the time comes?

Curt

Man, talk about thick! I don't let someone run a knife across my throat
either and figure let God sort it out. Please, go buy a clue curt.

Assault causes harm.
A same sex couple causes no harm.
Curt
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User: "samurai"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	28 Apr 2006 12:56:52 PM

Curt is a useless lieberal piece of *****.
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User: "samurai"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	28 Apr 2006 12:56:05 PM

Curt is a worthless piece of liberal *****.
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	28 Apr 2006 10:32:09 AM

Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

I'm curious, though, why you feel it's YOUR responsibility to harass

gays.

I mean, let God do it if it needs to be done.

Which is questionable anyway, because Jesus redeemed all that stuff.

was

about worship God and love thy neighbor. Not about get thy neighbor

fired

from his teaching job because he's gay.

how

often do you hear about them. Not from the very leftist news media you
won't.

"The natural use of the woman"? Jeez. What kind of sick culture comes

with something like that?

Curt

Well, I never had those days, myself.

But you still advocated firing them from teaching positions, not letting
them adopt, etc. Why is that? They don't do any harm, and if God has a
problem with them for sharing a foxhole, why don't you let God deal with
them when the time comes?

Curt

Man, talk about thick! I don't let someone run a knife across my throat
either and figure let God sort it out. Please, go buy a clue curt.

Assault causes harm.

A same sex couple causes no harm.

Curt

Boy, you really don't have a clue do you. There is so much evidence that
aids is predominate among the queers it is moral degradation. Can you
name me one major power in the world that openly endorses being queer
and is a powerful nation? I'd be curios to know.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Curt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	02 May 2006 06:30:14 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote in message
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Curt wrote:

But you still advocated firing them from teaching positions, not

letting

them adopt, etc. Why is that? They don't do any harm, and if God has a
problem with them for sharing a foxhole, why don't you let God deal

with

them when the time comes?

Curt

Man, talk about thick! I don't let someone run a knife across my throat
either and figure let God sort it out. Please, go buy a clue curt.

Assault causes harm.

A same sex couple causes no harm.

Curt

There is no such evidence at all.
In Africa, in fact, AIDS is a mainly heterosexual disease.
And has nothing to do with moral degradation.
I am the one with the clue. You are not.
Curt
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User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	28 Apr 2006 08:12:13 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Boy, you really don't have a clue do you. There is so much evidence that
aids is predominate among the queers it is moral degradation.

In most of the world, AIDS is predominant among heterosexuals.
lojbab
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 09:28:52 AM

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Boy, you really don't have a clue do you. There is so much evidence that
aids is predominate among the queers it is moral degradation.

In most of the world, AIDS is predominant among heterosexuals.

lojbab

Where do you get this crap? School?
Unbelievable!
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Bob LeChevalier"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	30 Apr 2006 11:54:50 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Boy, you really don't have a clue do you. There is so much evidence that
aids is predominate among the queers it is moral degradation.

In most of the world, AIDS is predominant among heterosexuals.

Where do you get this crap? School?

I've probably been out of school longer than you've been alive.

Unbelievable!

Your ignorance would be, but it seems to be common among Bible
thumpers.
Here's the Canadian government reporting on World Health Organization
statistics (I was going to quote the White House site, but this is
clearer)
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp411-e.htm
worldwide, 75% of AIDS transmission is heterosexual.
In the US, while AIDS was originally almost entirely homosexual, a
large fraction of new cases have tended to be from shared needles and
normal heterosexual transmission has increased to around 10%, so that
less than half of new AIDS cases are gay men.
That was 1996. The percentage of cases caused by homosexual contact
have dropped since then, while heterosexual AIDS has increase.
One tidbit from the white house site is that *more than half* of new
AIDS cases worldwide are among women and children.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html
lojbab
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User: ""
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 12:58:53 AM

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:

Boy, you really don't have a clue do you. There is so much evidence that
aids is predominate among the queers it is moral degradation.

In most of the world, AIDS is predominant among heterosexuals.

Where do you get this crap? School?

I've probably been out of school longer than you've been alive.

Unbelievable!

Your ignorance would be, but it seems to be common among Bible
thumpers.

Here's the Canadian government reporting on World Health Organization
statistics (I was going to quote the White House site, but this is
clearer)
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/bp411-e.htm

worldwide, 75% of AIDS transmission is heterosexual.

In the US, while AIDS was originally almost entirely homosexual, a
large fraction of new cases have tended to be from shared needles and
normal heterosexual transmission has increased to around 10%, so that
less than half of new AIDS cases are gay men.

That was 1996. The percentage of cases caused by homosexual contact
have dropped since then, while heterosexual AIDS has increase.

One tidbit from the white house site is that *more than half* of new
AIDS cases worldwide are among women and children.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/onap/facts.html

The cure for AIDS is morality.
Robert B. Winn
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User: "Baxter"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 03:18:16 PM

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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result of
sin. You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few
that still believes such things. What sin causes a cold? What sin causes
pneumonia? How about diabetes?
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User: "gatt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 03:39:35 PM

"Baxter" <lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

When a woman is raped and becomes HIV positive, obviously she was immoral.
It has to do with that "money is the root of all evil thing", Wynn's been
babbling about.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result
of
sin.

Many still do. After all, they once persecuted a guy for saying the world
wasn't the center of the universe.

You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few that
still believes such things.

Remember, he asserts that money is the root of all evil, including incest
and child abuse.
'Course, I suspect we wouldn't dare take each other up on a bet whether this
guy posesses money. It's interesting to note, however, that according to
his logic, homosexuality can't be evil unless it's compelled by money. And
if the cure for AIDS is morality, that means that there's a correlation
between AIDS and money. Homosexuals just got caught in the crossfire.
-c
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User: "rbwinn"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 06:03:02 PM

gatt wrote:

"Baxter" <lbax02.spamguard@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

When a woman is raped and becomes HIV positive, obviously she was immoral.
It has to do with that "money is the root of all evil thing", Wynn's been
babbling about.

The rapist is immoral. You might notice that in this manner of
society, the rapist is trying to save himself money.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result
of
sin.

Well, that is fairly clear from the scriptures. God can heal sickness.

Many still do. After all, they once persecuted a guy for saying the world
wasn't the center of the universe.

Well, I was persecuted by you for saying that the Lorentz equations are
using velocity of light, not speed of light.

You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few that
still believes such things.

Remember, he asserts that money is the root of all evil, including incest
and child abuse.

'Course, I suspect we wouldn't dare take each other up on a bet whether this
guy posesses money. It's interesting to note, however, that according to
his logic, homosexuality can't be evil unless it's compelled by money. And
if the cure for AIDS is morality, that means that there's a correlation
between AIDS and money. Homosexuals just got caught in the crossfire.

That is a fairly good analysis. The sinner never expects to receive a
recompense for his sin in this world.
Robert B. Winn
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User: "gatt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 06:35:07 PM

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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When a woman is raped and becomes HIV positive, obviously she was
immoral. It has to do with that "money is the root of all >>evil thing",
Wynn's been babbling about.

The rapist is immoral. You might notice that in this manner of
society, the rapist is trying to save himself money.

Ah. Rapists are simply trying to save money. Infants are raped because
it's cheaper to rape them than to rent them.
I had a relative who was a serial rapist and who served ~ ten years for
it--a sentence HE said was too light after the system helped him realize he
was projecting his abuse issues (getting buttfucked by his big brother from
the time they were boys) on others. 'Course, they only convicted him on one
or two. They probably don't even know about the others?
While I certainly didn't party with the guy or hang out with him or stay in
touch with him, I did have an opportunity to ask him some pretty direct
questions. When a guy is raped in prison, for example, it ain't about
"money."
Another woman I knew was gang-raped near OHSU. They pissed on her, beat her
nearly to death after keeping her around for the weekend, then they poured
gasoline all over her and, for some reason or other, decided not to burn her
alive on a dirt road out near the coast range. Let me guess. They were
"trying to save money."
You haven't the slightest idea. You really don't. You don't know the first
thing about the first thing. You're clueless. What I mean to say is, you
don't know jack ***** about what you've been blathering about. IF that's
not clear to you, let me rephrase: You're an ignoramus. You're talking
out of your *****. Walk into a rape victim's meeting and tell them their
attackers were just trying to save money.
You're beneath my contempt. You're not even smart enough to loathe. I pity
your ignorance. I really do. Now go away.
-c
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User: "rbwinn"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 06:09:00 PM

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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

Well, there is no doubt that under present conditions of society
diseases will increase. However, according to scripture, there is no
disease that cannot be cured by God. What I think we might do is wait
until Christ returns and then see if there is as much disease on earth
after he is here on earth. We know there is going to be a lot of
disease before he returns. The Book of Revelations says that one third
of the people on earth will die at one time from disease.
Robert B. Winn
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User: "Larry Scratch"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	01 May 2006 09:29:33 PM

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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result of
sin.

And syphilis? Is that caught in a hetro monogamous relationship?
You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few

that still believes such things. What sin causes a cold? What sin causes
pneumonia? How about diabetes?

I sure in the hell don't blame God for MY Diabetes. You lefties are more
the ones into the blame game.

--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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User: "Cary Kittrell"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	02 May 2006 01:01:24 PM

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com>

Baxter wrote:

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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result of
sin.

And syphilis? Is that caught in a hetro monogamous relationship?

You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few

that still believes such things. What sin causes a cold? What sin causes
pneumonia? How about diabetes?

I sure in the hell don't blame God for MY Diabetes. You lefties are more
the ones into the blame game.

Then who is to blame? Or is no one to blame, even God being powerless
to have prevented it?
-- cary
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User: "rbwinn"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	02 May 2006 02:01:09 PM

Cary Kittrell wrote:

"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com>

Baxter wrote:

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<rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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The cure for AIDS is morality.

Yep. People used to believe sickness of any and all kinds was the result of
sin.

And syphilis? Is that caught in a hetro monogamous relationship?

You even find such references in the bible. You're one of the few

that still believes such things. What sin causes a cold? What sin causes
pneumonia? How about diabetes?

I sure in the hell don't blame God for MY Diabetes. You lefties are more
the ones into the blame game.

Then who is to blame? Or is no one to blame, even God being powerless
to have prevented it?

Well, why don't you ask Jesus Christ about it when he returns to judge
the earth?
Robert B. Winn
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User: "gatt"
Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column	02 May 2006 05:10:09 PM

"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Then who is to blame? Or is no one to blame, even God being powerless
to have prevented it?

Well, why don't you ask Jesus Christ about it when he returns to judge
the earth?

Hiding behind God again. He's just like an Iraqi insurgent. He attacks and
then he runs like hell and prays for God to cover his ***** for him instead of
letting God tend to his own flock.
-c
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