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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM |
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You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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20 Apr 2006 03:39:21 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On 19 Apr 2006 17:11:40 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
Peter never wrote them, and that has been verified.
Well, possibly the best one to discuss your idea with would be the
Apostle Peter after the resurrection.
OhferXrist'seffing Sakes, RBW -- can't you just defend the
idiot-stick things You say on Your own behalf, without trying to
defer it to The Dead?
Sheesh! You are a Special Case of cowardice, even for Fundies!
If you can manage to channel St Pete, though, do send him on in.
Strangely, thus far, SP has been as unwilling to become involved on
Your side as has Xrist his own Divine Self.
That leaves You alone to be the stand-in.
But you're a coward, and duck your responsibility here.
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
No one told me. I was just passing time for a few days while work is
slow.
Robert B. Winn
Well, now you know. Don will get a memo out to you detailing your
responsibilities. I imagine you are probably already behind, but perhaps
Don will cut you some slack since he was late informing you.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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20 Apr 2006 05:56:26 AM |
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
On 19 Apr 2006 17:11:40 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
Peter never wrote them, and that has been verified.
Well, possibly the best one to discuss your idea with would be the
Apostle Peter after the resurrection.
OhferXrist'seffing Sakes, RBW -- can't you just defend the
idiot-stick things You say on Your own behalf, without trying to
defer it to The Dead?
Sheesh! You are a Special Case of cowardice, even for Fundies!
If you can manage to channel St Pete, though, do send him on in.
Strangely, thus far, SP has been as unwilling to become involved on
Your side as has Xrist his own Divine Self.
That leaves You alone to be the stand-in.
But you're a coward, and duck your responsibility here.
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
No one told me. I was just passing time for a few days while work is
slow.
Robert B. Winn
Well, now you know. Don will get a memo out to you detailing your
responsibilities. I imagine you are probably already behind, but perhaps
Don will cut you some slack since he was late informing you.
Well, Don would not be the one to do it. He has been backing off
somewhat here lately.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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20 Apr 2006 09:58:23 AM |
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On 20 Apr 2006 03:56:26 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
Don will cut you some slack since he was late informing you.
Well, Don would not be the one to do it. He has been backing off
somewhat here lately.
Don's been Very busy of late. So much entertainment; so little time.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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20 Apr 2006 09:57:39 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:39:21 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
No one told me. I was just passing time for a few days while work is
slow.
Well, now you know. Don will get a memo out to you detailing your
responsibilities. I imagine you are probably already behind, but perhaps
Don will cut you some slack since he was late informing you.
Well, the several Pope's are supposedly Xrist's Vicar -- with certain
agency responsibilities that accrue.
So any other self-described agents supposedly have a set of
responsibilities that go with the appointed position.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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20 Apr 2006 11:33:14 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:39:21 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Lobby Dosser wrote:
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
No one told me. I was just passing time for a few days while work is
slow.
Well, now you know. Don will get a memo out to you detailing your
responsibilities. I imagine you are probably already behind, but perhaps
Don will cut you some slack since he was late informing you.
Well, the several Pope's are supposedly Xrist's Vicar -- with certain
agency responsibilities that accrue.
So any other self-described agents supposedly have a set of
responsibilities that go with the appointed position.
Well, any responsibilities would have to come from Jesus Christ, not
from some organization for the promotion of homosexuals.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "gatt" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:20:25 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145550794.457160.161250@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Well, any responsibilities would have to come from Jesus Christ, not
from some organization for the promotion of homosexuals.
You mean the archdiocese?
See, that's just the thing. Those of us who respect JC whether he was Holy
or not take our lessons from him directly; love thy neighbor, don't cast the
first stone, etc...
It's you Bible-thumping fundies trying to get everybody to believe in your
church that are butt-fucking the altar boys and simultaneously condemning
adultery and homosexuality. Get thee away, SATAN!
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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22 Apr 2006 12:14:50 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145550794.457160.161250@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Well, any responsibilities would have to come from Jesus Christ, not
from some organization for the promotion of homosexuals.
You mean the archdiocese?
See, that's just the thing. Those of us who respect JC whether he was Holy
or not take our lessons from him directly; love thy neighbor, don't cast the
first stone, etc...
It's you Bible-thumping fundies trying to get everybody to believe in your
church that are butt-fucking the altar boys and simultaneously condemning
adultery and homosexuality. Get thee away, SATAN!
My church does not have altar boys. Keep saying what you just said,
though. Satan will have to leave for a while every time you say it.
It will give you some time learning to make your own decisions.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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20 Apr 2006 09:56:12 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 03:29:43 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net> wrote:
Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote:
Sheesh! You are a Special Case of cowardice, even for Fundies!
If you can manage to channel St Pete, though, do send him on in.
Strangely, thus far, SP has been as unwilling to become involved on
Your side as has Xrist his own Divine Self.
That leaves You alone to be the stand-in.
But you're a coward, and duck your responsibility here.
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
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| User: "gatt" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:21:01 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m78f42t3fv7tca4d4n0u8klta450qu7bg6@4ax.com...
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
-c
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:30:55 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:21:01 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m78f42t3fv7tca4d4n0u8klta450qu7bg6@4ax.com...
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
Making them indistinguishable one from the other.
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| User: "gatt" |
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21 Apr 2006 04:29:32 PM |
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"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:oj5i42pmq7oej5c34vibil7sb9n3shr3h8@4ax.com...
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
Making them indistinguishable one from the other.
Exactly. Let's enter the twilight zone of fundamentalist la-la-land for a
minute:
What's the point of satan seducing atheists and homosexuals? They're
already condemned anyway, right? That's like hunting in your meat locker.
The juicier target would be the Gawd-abiding Christian who's so blind in his
faith that he can't see the wolf in cleric's clothing.
-c
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:29:10 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:21:01 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m78f42t3fv7tca4d4n0u8klta450qu7bg6@4ax.com...
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
Making them indistinguishable one from the other.
How can we tell what You are, given that problem? We have only Your
claim that it is so, do we not?
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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23 Apr 2006 02:18:55 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:21:01 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m78f42t3fv7tca4d4n0u8klta450qu7bg6@4ax.com...
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
Making them indistinguishable one from the other.
How can we tell what You are, given that problem? We have only Your
claim that it is so, do we not?
So you are saying that I asked you for some money?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:35:10 PM |
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On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:29:10 -0700, Don Homuth <dhomuth1@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:21:01 GMT, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> wrote:
"Don Homuth" <dhomuth1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:m78f42t3fv7tca4d4n0u8klta450qu7bg6@4ax.com...
He has responsibilities here? How interesting.
He claims to be Xrist's agent, so apparently he does.
Satan's agents, predictably, would claim to be Christ's.
Making them indistinguishable one from the other.
How can we tell what You are, given that problem? We have only Your
claim that it is so, do we not?
(sigh) punched the Send button prematurely. Attributions correct in
the followup.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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20 Apr 2006 01:34:27 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 19 Apr 2006 17:11:40 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Dominic Torrazzi wrote:
Peter never wrote them, and that has been verified.
Well, possibly the best one to discuss your idea with would be the
Apostle Peter after the resurrection.
OhferXrist'seffing Sakes, RBW -- can't you just defend the idiot-stick
things You say on Your own behalf, without trying to defer it to The
Dead?
Sheesh! You are a Special Case of cowardice, even for Fundies!
If you can manage to channel St Pete, though, do send him on in.
Strangely, thus far, SP has been as unwilling to become involved on
Your side as has Xrist his own Divine Self.
That leaves You alone to be the stand-in.
But you're a coward, and duck your responsibility here.
But, you are Very close to exhausting pretty much everything you have
to discuss without further repetition, and that will -- in the fulness
of time -- mean you have become Boring and Not Entertaining.
At which point, the appropriate take will simply be to ignore your
idiocies redux, and have a good chuckle in the process.
Well, you were boring and not entertaining from the beginning, and I
said in the beginning that you would decide you did not want to respond
to anything I say after a few attempts to convince me that Jesus Christ
does not exist. No hard feelings, but all atheists act and talk
exactly the same. You and your friends are about to start looking for
your homosexual acquaintances because they are entertaining to you.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "gatt" |
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20 Apr 2006 12:36:32 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145514867.249944.130250@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
You and your friends are about to start looking for
your homosexual acquaintances because they are entertaining to you.
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy because
you're a Christian.
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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20 Apr 2006 11:56:13 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145514867.249944.130250@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
You and your friends are about to start looking for
your homosexual acquaintances because they are entertaining to you.
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy because
you're a Christian.
I did not accuse anyone of what you accuse me. It is obvious who the
world is entertained by. All you have to do is turn on the television.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining. I
do not personally like to be around them. I do not like to watch them.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "gatt" |
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21 Apr 2006 12:37:45 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little boys
while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly, it's
like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a lot more
homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are 50% of them or
better are more intelligent. Many can actually prove they are intelligent
because they, for example, were able to hack it through their first year of
college.
-c
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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22 Apr 2006 12:19:51 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145595373.292916.20870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little boys
while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly, it's
like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a lot more
homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are 50% of them or
better are more intelligent. Many can actually prove they are intelligent
because they, for example, were able to hack it through their first year of
college.
The church I belong to excommunicates homosexuals.
Robert B. Winn
-c
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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23 Apr 2006 08:39:06 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145595373.292916.20870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little boys
while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly, it's
like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a lot more
homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are 50% of them or
better are more intelligent. Many can actually prove they are intelligent
because they, for example, were able to hack it through their first year of
college.
-c
Ya know gatt almost daily now you attack Christians and now are accusing
them of being pedophiles. If you would like, I would be happy to supply
you a google list of other religions that are also having a problem with
this. It is a filthy disgusting thing be they Christian, Jewish or what
ever religion. Perhaps there are those out their that don't see much
difference between a queer and a pedophile. Petty much all deviants.
Yet being queer seems to be getting a wink and a nod from the left.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "samurai" |
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23 Apr 2006 10:06:47 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145595373.292916.20870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy
because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little
boys while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly,
it's like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a
lot more homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are 50%
of them or better are more intelligent. Many can actually prove they
are intelligent because they, for example, were able to hack it
through their first year of college.
-c
Ya know gatt almost daily now you attack Christians and now are accusing
them of being pedophiles. If you would like, I would be happy to supply
you a google list of other religions that are also having a problem with
this. It is a filthy disgusting thing be they Christian, Jewish or what
ever religion. Perhaps there are those out their that don't see much
difference between a queer and a pedophile. Petty much all deviants. Yet
being queer seems to be getting a wink and a nod from the left.
And seems to be defended time and again by leftists like Homu (wonder
what his angle is) and even more free thinking people like gatt -
perversion gone mainstream, just like I said....
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| User: "gatt" |
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26 Apr 2006 01:04:58 PM |
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"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
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Yet being queer seems to be getting a wink and a nod from the left.
And seems to be defended time and again by leftists like Homu (wonder what
his angle is) and even more free thinking people like >gatt - perversion
gone mainstream, just like I said....
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong but never utter a peep against the pedophelia clergy unless you're
cornered into it. I have no interest in homosexuals, jews, Christians,
Buddhists, wiccans or their miscellaneous issues, but I don't have to like
somebody to reject hatred against them by self-righteous fundamentalist
assholes. If somebody were picking on the almighty Christians, I'd defend
the Christians. I've lit into my share of hippies and leftwits here. But
it's the other way around.
Why do we pick on Christians here? 'Cause they're here and they're not good
Christians by any interpretation. They come across as three parts Osama to
one part Jesus at best. If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody
names and accused them of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd lay
into them.
But they're not. Hell, Don's been running a program that provides aid and
comfort to Oregon soldiers sent over there to kill them. You people accuse
HIM of treason. He served his country, he seems to value the concept that
it's a FREE country, and he has assisted soldiers like by brother who are
risking their ***** for their country whether they like it or not. The ones
who call THAT treason MUST logically be my enemy.
You people sound hypocritical and crazy; no different than Cor or Kaufman.
How long do you suppose I'm going to respect opinions from when I read
comments like "even more free thinking people like gatt - perversion gone
mainstream"?
-c
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
26 Apr 2006 01:42:16 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
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Yet being queer seems to be getting a wink and a nod from the left.
And seems to be defended time and again by leftists like Homu (wonder what
his angle is) and even more free thinking people like >gatt - perversion
gone mainstream, just like I said....
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
but never utter a peep against the pedophelia clergy unless you're
cornered into it
It doesn't IMPACT my life anymore than Ted Bundy or John Gacy did!
They all suck, nuff said!
I have no interest in homosexuals, jews, Christians,
Buddhists, wiccans or their miscellaneous issues, but I don't have to like
somebody to reject hatred against them by self-righteous fundamentalist
assholes. If somebody were picking on the almighty Christians, I'd defend
the Christians. I've lit into my share of hippies and leftwits here. But
it's the other way around.
Are you HIGH???
People are CONTINUALLY running down Christians here!
WTF are you smoking?????
Why do we pick on Christians here? 'Cause they're here and they're not good
Christians by any interpretation. They come across as three parts Osama to
one part Jesus at best. If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody
names and accused them of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd lay
into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
But they're not. Hell, Don's been running a program that provides aid and
comfort to Oregon soldiers sent over there to kill them. You people accuse
HIM of treason.
Sorry, HE is the one who admitted to committing war crimes, that was HIS
admission.
He served his country, he seems to value the concept that
it's a FREE country, and he has assisted soldiers like by brother who are
risking their ***** for their country whether they like it or not. The ones
who call THAT treason MUST logically be my enemy.
Maybe they're just sick of his pompous windbag act, ever think of that???
I'm sure Donny's not the only hypocrite to GIVE with one hand and TAKE
with other, what's so hard for you to comprehend about that???
It's perfectly possible to help returning vets and continually assault
our nation at the same time.
You people sound hypocritical and crazy; no different than Cor or Kaufman.
How long do you suppose I'm going to respect opinions from when I read
comments like "even more free thinking people like gatt - perversion gone
mainstream"?
-c
Well face it, you ARE a free thinker, one of the FEW here in fact!
That's no slam nor is it a suck-up, it's MY view!
But when you start rationalizing a perverted lifestyle and dancing with
letting it go as mainstream as adoption and child rearing I say YOU have
gone TOO far!
And btw, the cat-lickers and their idiotic monastic fetish mentality are
a cancer on faith. THEY need to drop the frikking dogma, lift the robes
and get back to having a NORMAL life!
OK?
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| User: "gatt" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
26 Apr 2006 06:08:46 PM |
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"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
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It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what? That's their business, not ours. It's not like there's a shortage
of people or declining human population, so conservatives ought to encourage
that sort of things. Fewer potential welfare kids, et al. There's nothing
evil about two people deciding not to reproduce.
If somebody were picking on the almighty Christians, I'd defend the
Christians. I've lit into my share of hippies and leftwits here. >>But
it's the other way around.
Are you HIGH??? People are CONTINUALLY running down Christians here!
You pick a fight, sometimes you get one. Do they use terms like "turd
babies"? Do they say that Christians are going to hell, that they're
immoral, that they're sinful, that they shouldn't be allowed to raise kids?
Nope. They run down so-called Christian holier-than-thou hypocrits like Rob
Winn who can't even defend their own ridiculous arguments, and the funny
thing is, most of the critics have demonstrated at least the same ability to
discuss the Bible in context. There are no doubt many Christians in here,
but nobody's swinging on the ones who aren't making ridiculous assertions
and trying to cram their interpretation down everybody's throat.
If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody names and accused them
of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd >>lay into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time. Look at, for
example, the drives to undermine evolutionary teaching, to ban same-sex
marriages, to show up at SOLDIERS' FUNERALS shouting "GOD BLESS IEDS"
because America tolerates homosexuality. (Bring that ***** to Oregon!)
No. ***** that. Christians need to police up their own perverts and
fundamentalists and then people like me might give a rip when somebody comes
down on Christianity. But it's only going to be on behalf of people like
friends of mine (of all ages) who believe very much in the glory of God and
Christ, but who don't INSULT OTHERS with it.
But, the fact remains: If a Muslim comes in here and starts badmouthing
people based on his religion, he's going to have -everybody-
Maybe they're just sick of his pompous windbag act, ever think of that???
That doesn't excuse accusing somebody of treason. The adult thing to do
would be to be honest and state -that- grievance rather than try to twist it
into what amounts to a capital crime.
Well face it, you ARE a free thinker, one of the FEW here in fact! That's
no slam nor is it a suck-up, it's MY view!
That's fair.
And btw, the cat-lickers and their idiotic monastic fetish mentality are
a cancer on faith. THEY need to drop the frikking dogma, lift >the robes
and get back to having a NORMAL life!
LOL! My family is Cat'lic.
-c
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| User: "samurai" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
26 Apr 2006 08:54:01 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our species,
is it?
That's their business, not ours. It's not like there's a shortage
of people or declining human population,
Really?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm
Continuing a 12-year decline, the U.S. birth rate has dropped to the
lowest level since national
data have been available, according to statistics just released by the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
The rate of births among teenagers also fell to a new record low,
continuing a decline that began in 1991.
The birth rate fell to 13.9 per 1,000 persons in 2002, down from 14.1
per 1,000 in 2001 and down a full 17
percent from the recent peak in 1990 (16.7 per 1,000), according to a
new CDC report, "Births: Preliminary Data for 2002."
so conservatives ought to encourage
that sort of things. Fewer potential welfare kids, et al. There's nothing
evil about two people deciding not to reproduce.
Didn't say there was.
If somebody were picking on the almighty Christians, I'd defend the
Christians. I've lit into my share of hippies and leftwits here. >>But
it's the other way around.
Are you HIGH??? People are CONTINUALLY running down Christians here!
You pick a fight, sometimes you get one.
Want to play chicken/egg there bud?
Do they use terms like "turd
babies"? Do they say that Christians are going to hell, that they're
immoral, that they're sinful, that they shouldn't be allowed to raise kids?
Nope.
No surprise, at some level they know they're either miswired or misguided.
They run down so-called Christian holier-than-thou hypocrits like Rob
Winn who can't even defend their own ridiculous arguments, and the funny
thing is, most of the critics have demonstrated at least the same ability to
discuss the Bible in context. There are no doubt many Christians in here,
but nobody's swinging on the ones who aren't making ridiculous assertions
and trying to cram their interpretation down everybody's throat.
Oh?
I get it all the freaking time and you won;t find me quoting scripture.
I use ration and common sense, faith is up to each man to parse for himself.
Furthermore, it is the STRAIGHTS who have made gays the pet rock of the
new millenium,
the poor misguided, liberal media indoctrinated, liberals!
If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody names and accused them
of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd >>lay into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Look at, for
example, the drives to undermine evolutionary teaching, to ban same-sex
marriages, to show up at SOLDIERS' FUNERALS shouting "GOD BLESS IEDS"
because America tolerates homosexuality. (Bring that ***** to Oregon!)
That Kansas fuckwit it representative of nothing more than Jim Jones was
- morons.
No. ***** that. Christians need to police up their own perverts and
fundamentalists and then people like me might give a rip when somebody comes
down on Christianity. But it's only going to be on behalf of people like
friends of mine (of all ages) who believe very much in the glory of God and
Christ, but who don't INSULT OTHERS with it.
You're painting with a uselessly broad brush and you're so emotional you
can't even see it.
But, the fact remains: If a Muslim comes in here and starts badmouthing
people based on his religion, he's going to have -everybody-
Oh come on, Kaufman loves AQ, so do Eggs and Siva.
Maybe they're just sick of his pompous windbag act, ever think of that???
That doesn't excuse accusing somebody of treason. The adult thing to do
would be to be honest and state -that- grievance rather than try to twist it
into what amounts to a capital crime.
Do you think donny has given "comfort" at time of war to our enemies?
BE honest, cuz we both know that Siva, Eggs,and Kaufman are guitly as sin!
Well face it, you ARE a free thinker, one of the FEW here in fact! That's
no slam nor is it a suck-up, it's MY view!
That's fair.
I try to keep it that way.
And btw, the cat-lickers and their idiotic monastic fetish mentality are
a cancer on faith. THEY need to drop the frikking dogma, lift >the robes
and get back to having a NORMAL life!
LOL! My family is Cat'lic.
Sorry to frag the 'rents, but I stand by my position. This whole
abstinence thing was a latter aberration in the church and is in no
small part responsible for pedophile priests, IMO!
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
27 Apr 2006 09:57:17 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our species,
is it?
Yes to both.
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
For the second, it is a natural and wholesome alternative to excessive
reproduction in a situation of overpopulation or overcrowding. I
suspect that we will eventually determine that the biological
determiners of homosexuality are more likely to be triggered when a
lot of people (and especially a lot of the same gender) are colocated
in close quarters for a long time.
That's their business, not ours. It's not like there's a shortage
of people or declining human population,
Really?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm
Continuing a 12-year decline, the U.S. birth rate has dropped to the
lowest level since national
data have been available, according to statistics just released by the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
Good. Of course it needs to drop lower still before our population
stops growing, due to immigrations, and the falling death rate.
They run down so-called Christian holier-than-thou hypocrits like Rob
Winn who can't even defend their own ridiculous arguments, and the funny
thing is, most of the critics have demonstrated at least the same ability to
discuss the Bible in context. There are no doubt many Christians in here,
but nobody's swinging on the ones who aren't making ridiculous assertions
and trying to cram their interpretation down everybody's throat.
Oh?
I get it all the freaking time and you won;t find me quoting scripture.
You still make ridiculous assertions. And your use of offensive
language is considered "fighting words" by many. So you get a fight.
If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody names and accused them
of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd >>lay into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Christ says to do unto others as they would have others do unto them.
So any Christian who attacks or insults me clearly wants me to attack
and insult them. I am pleased to oblige in good Christian spirit.
lojbab
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
29 Apr 2006 08:48:31 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our species,
is it?
Yes to both.
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
For the second, it is a natural and wholesome alternative to excessive
reproduction in a situation of overpopulation or overcrowding. I
suspect that we will eventually determine that the biological
determiners of homosexuality are more likely to be triggered when a
lot of people (and especially a lot of the same gender) are colocated
in close quarters for a long time.
That's their business, not ours. It's not like there's a shortage
of people or declining human population,
Really?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm
Continuing a 12-year decline, the U.S. birth rate has dropped to the
lowest level since national
data have been available, according to statistics just released by the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
Good. Of course it needs to drop lower still before our population
stops growing, due to immigrations, and the falling death rate.
They run down so-called Christian holier-than-thou hypocrits like Rob
Winn who can't even defend their own ridiculous arguments, and the funny
thing is, most of the critics have demonstrated at least the same ability to
discuss the Bible in context. There are no doubt many Christians in here,
but nobody's swinging on the ones who aren't making ridiculous assertions
and trying to cram their interpretation down everybody's throat.
Oh?
I get it all the freaking time and you won;t find me quoting scripture.
You still make ridiculous assertions. And your use of offensive
language is considered "fighting words" by many. So you get a fight.
If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody names and accused them
of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd >>lay into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Christ says to do unto others as they would have others do unto them.
So any Christian who attacks or insults me clearly wants me to attack
and insult them. I am pleased to oblige in good Christian spirit.
I think that what you are going to do is post the scripture from
Leviticus about not eating shellfish over and over again and then tell
everyone that you have really taught the Christians a lesson.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
29 Apr 2006 11:47:46 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Christ says to do unto others as they would have others do unto them.
So any Christian who attacks or insults me clearly wants me to attack
and insult them. I am pleased to oblige in good Christian spirit.
I think that what you are going to do is post the scripture from
Leviticus about not eating shellfish over and over again and then tell
everyone that you have really taught the Christians a lesson.
You seem to be mentioning it more than I am. Maybe you have learned
something.
But I doubt it.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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29 Apr 2006 01:45:12 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Christ says to do unto others as they would have others do unto them.
So any Christian who attacks or insults me clearly wants me to attack
and insult them. I am pleased to oblige in good Christian spirit.
I think that what you are going to do is post the scripture from
Leviticus about not eating shellfish over and over again and then tell
everyone that you have really taught the Christians a lesson.
You seem to be mentioning it more than I am. Maybe you have learned
something.
But I doubt it.
It is not a scripture I would even think about normally. Here we see
the atheist line of reasoning once again. You do something repeatedly
until someone tells you that you are making a mistake, then that person
has committed a sin by judging you. I have learned that you are never
going to change what you do.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "samurai" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
27 Apr 2006 10:21:34 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our species,
is it?
Yes to both.
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
So are any number of other aberrations like autism, polydactylism or
other unintended errors in development.
For the second, it is a natural and wholesome alternative to excessive
reproduction in a situation of overpopulation or overcrowding.
You are a very SICK person, I mean mentally ILL!
I
suspect that we will eventually determine that the biological
determiners of homosexuality are more likely to be triggered when a
lot of people (and especially a lot of the same gender) are colocated
in close quarters for a long time.
Wow, you really are insane!
That's their business, not ours. It's not like there's a shortage
of people or declining human population,
Really?
http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm
Continuing a 12-year decline, the U.S. birth rate has dropped to the
lowest level since national
data have been available, according to statistics just released by the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC).
Good. Of course it needs to drop lower still before our population
stops growing, due to immigrations, and the falling death rate.
You're a misanthrope.
They run down so-called Christian holier-than-thou hypocrits like Rob
Winn who can't even defend their own ridiculous arguments, and the funny
thing is, most of the critics have demonstrated at least the same ability to
discuss the Bible in context. There are no doubt many Christians in here,
but nobody's swinging on the ones who aren't making ridiculous assertions
and trying to cram their interpretation down everybody's throat.
Oh?
I get it all the freaking time and you won;t find me quoting scripture.
You still make ridiculous assertions.
After that laughable lesson in homosexuality and population control you
say this???
You're a total FOOL!
And your use of offensive
language is considered "fighting words" by many. So you get a fight.
ESAD creep.
If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody names and accused them
of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd >>lay into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
I'm allowed to do that. Christians do it all the time.
But you slam THEM for it!
Christ says
Like YOU care what HE said???
You shameless wierdo hypocrite, drop damned DEAD!
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