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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM |
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You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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28 Apr 2006 08:10:40 PM |
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"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
Then you must feel very comfortable with perversion.
Comfort has nothing to do with it. Nature does a lot of things that I
find less than comforting.
lojbab
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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30 Apr 2006 09:28:08 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
"Larry (Scratch)" <Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
Then you must feel very comfortable with perversion.
Comfort has nothing to do with it. Nature does a lot of things that I
find less than comforting.
lojbab
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
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"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Bill Shatzer" |
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30 Apr 2006 02:39:36 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Comfort has nothing to do with it. Nature does a lot of things that I
find less than comforting.
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
But only one of us has actual evidence that our belief is correct.
Peace and justice,
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| User: "samurai" |
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30 Apr 2006 03:39:11 PM |
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
Peace and justice,
War and oppression,
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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01 May 2006 12:03:19 AM |
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Comfort has nothing to do with it. Nature does a lot of things that I
find less than comforting.
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
But only one of us has actual evidence that our belief is correct.
Well, that is not really the case. What exactly do you believe about
nature?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "samurai" |
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30 Apr 2006 03:39:15 PM |
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Bill Shatzer wrote:
Peace and justice,
War and oppression,
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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30 Apr 2006 06:15:53 PM |
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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:28:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
No one is constrained to Believe in Nature. It's just there.
It takes effort to believe in the supernatural, though. It's not just
there -- one must make it up whole cloth on one's own.
All superstitions work like that.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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30 Apr 2006 11:47:46 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:28:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
No one is constrained to Believe in Nature. It's just there.
It takes effort to believe in the supernatural, though. It's not just
there -- one must make it up whole cloth on one's own.
All superstitions work like that.
So what you seem to be saying is that Jesus Christ was not part of
nature when he was on earth.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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01 May 2006 10:13:04 AM |
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On 30 Apr 2006 21:47:46 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:28:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
No one is constrained to Believe in Nature. It's just there.
It takes effort to believe in the supernatural, though. It's not just
there -- one must make it up whole cloth on one's own.
All superstitions work like that.
So what you seem to be saying is that Jesus Christ was not part of
nature when he was on earth.
It's not his natural part that's open for discussion, but the
supernatural.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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01 May 2006 10:20:19 AM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 21:47:46 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 07:28:08 -0700, "Larry (Scratch)"
<Scratch@Tigard.OR.com> wrote:
You believe in nature. I'll believe in God.
No one is constrained to Believe in Nature. It's just there.
It takes effort to believe in the supernatural, though. It's not just
there -- one must make it up whole cloth on one's own.
All superstitions work like that.
So what you seem to be saying is that Jesus Christ was not part of
nature when he was on earth.
It's not his natural part that's open for discussion, but the
supernatural.
Who is making up these rules?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "samurai" |
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27 Apr 2006 11:17:54 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being
ignorant, queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how
homosexuality is wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our
species, is it?
Yes to both.
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
Then you must feel very comfortable with perversion. Anything to justify
the sickness right BC?
This guy is one sick mofo.
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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27 Apr 2006 11:38:58 PM |
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samurai wrote:
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:caP3g.118161$4P2.75842@fe03.news.easynews.com...
It's because you people give the exact impression of being
ignorant, queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how
homosexuality is wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
So what?
So it's not what nature intended, nor is it beneficial to our
species, is it?
Yes to both.
For the first, homosexuality is found in many animal species, and is
particularly common among primates.
Then you must feel very comfortable with perversion. Anything to
justify the sickness right BC?
This guy is one sick mofo.
Oh, yeah!
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"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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26 Apr 2006 04:37:34 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
It's because you people give the exact impression of being ignorant,
queer-bashing redneck idiots who love to rant about how homosexuality is
wrong
Well let's face it, it ain't a REPRODUCIBLE lifestyle now is it????
Not everybody is seeking to reproduce, much less to reproduce their
lifestyle.
but never utter a peep against the pedophelia clergy unless you're
cornered into it
It doesn't IMPACT my life anymore than Ted Bundy or John Gacy did!
They all suck, nuff said!
You are an expert on sucking, I am sure, loser.
People are CONTINUALLY running down Christians here!
I'll bet that 95% of such running down comes after offensive posts as
yours or rbwinn's
Why do we pick on Christians here? 'Cause they're here and they're not good
Christians by any interpretation. They come across as three parts Osama to
one part Jesus at best. If Muslim fundies lurked here and called everybody
names and accused them of treason or whatever, you can bet your ***** we'd lay
into them.
You're JUDGING and leading with YOUR own biases!
In other words, doing precisely what you do - except that your God
told you NOT to do it, so you are being disobedient as well, and being
a hypocrite to complain about others doing what you are doing
yourself.
But they're not. Hell, Don's been running a program that provides aid and
comfort to Oregon soldiers sent over there to kill them. You people accuse
HIM of treason.
Sorry, HE is the one who admitted to committing war crimes, that was HIS
admission.
Repentance is a virtue to *real* Christians, loser.
He served his country, he seems to value the concept that
it's a FREE country, and he has assisted soldiers like by brother who are
risking their ***** for their country whether they like it or not. The ones
who call THAT treason MUST logically be my enemy.
Maybe they're just sick of his pompous windbag act, ever think of that???
And no one is sick of yours?
But when you start rationalizing a perverted lifestyle and dancing with
letting it go as mainstream as adoption and child rearing I say YOU have
gone TOO far!
It is not for us to judge the lifestyle of another. Period.
Physician, heal thyself.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 09:10:44 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
It is not for us to judge
STFU klingon fool!
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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27 Apr 2006 09:45:46 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
It is not for us to judge
STFU klingon fool!
I see the loser has no intelligent reply again.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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27 Apr 2006 10:17:02 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
It is not for us to judge
STFU klingon fool!
I see
ESAD
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| User: "Larry Scratch" |
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24 Apr 2006 09:18:34 PM |
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samurai wrote:
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145595373.292916.20870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy
because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little
boys while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly,
it's like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a
lot more homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are
50% of them or better are more intelligent. Many can actually prove
they are intelligent because they, for example, were able to hack it
through their first year of college.
-c
Ya know gatt almost daily now you attack Christians and now are
accusing them of being pedophiles. If you would like, I would be happy
to supply you a google list of other religions that are also having a
problem with this. It is a filthy disgusting thing be they Christian,
Jewish or what ever religion. Perhaps there are those out their that
don't see much difference between a queer and a pedophile. Petty much
all deviants. Yet being queer seems to be getting a wink and a nod
from the left.
And seems to be defended time and again by leftists like Homu (wonder
what his angle is) and even more free thinking people like gatt -
perversion gone mainstream, just like I said....
Yep! They want to burn these sickos and i agree but when it comets to
the queers, oh hey that's just fine now harm there. Pretty frigging
twisted way of thinking for sure.
--
"Every concession leads to aggression"
Putin, 2005
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| User: "samurai" |
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24 Apr 2006 10:25:24 PM |
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Larry (Scratch) wrote:
samurai wrote:
Larry (Scratch) wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145595373.292916.20870@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
That's just like saying you're about to go buttfuck a little boy
because
you're a Christian.
People of the world like you find homosexuals to be entertaining.
People of the world like you allow your own flock to buttfuck little
boys while pointing the finger at others.
I don't find homosexuals to be entertaining at all, SATAN. Frankly,
it's like watching golf. You're lying again.
I do not think they are more intelligent than I am.
Who? Boy-buttfucker christians or homosexuals? There are a
lot more homosexuals in the world than there are you, and odds are
50% of them or better are more intelligent. Many can actually
prove they are intelligent because they, for example, were able to
hack it through their first year of college.
-c
Ya know gatt almost daily now you attack Christians and now are
accusing them of being pedophiles. If you would like, I would be
happy to supply you a google list of other religions that are also
having a problem with this. It is a filthy disgusting thing be they
Christian, Jewish or what ever religion. Perhaps there are those out
their that don't see much difference between a queer and a pedophile.
Petty much all deviants. Yet being queer seems to be getting a wink
and a nod from the left.
And seems to be defended time and again by leftists like Homu (wonder
what his angle is) and even more free thinking people like gatt -
perversion gone mainstream, just like I said....
Yep! They want to burn these sickos and i agree but when it comets to
the queers, oh hey that's just fine now harm there. Pretty frigging
twisted way of thinking for sure.
It's all good, next thing they'll defend is the beastiality boys.
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| User: "gatt" |
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26 Apr 2006 01:09:59 PM |
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"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
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Yep! They want to burn these sickos and i agree but when it comets to the
queers, oh hey that's just fine now harm there. Pretty frigging twisted
way of thinking for sure.
Two lesbians fucking each other in the privacy of their own home isn't as
harmful as a priests buttfucking children.
Allow me to clear that up for you.
It's all good, next thing they'll defend is the beastiality boys.
Kinda like "defending" the buttfucking child-sodomizing clergy by drawing
attention to homosexuals. Next thing you'll defend is witch-burning and the
persecution of guys like Galileo.
-c
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 01:46:54 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"samurai" <sam@rai.ki> wrote in message
news:DEg3g.101843$zy2.83209@fe08.news.easynews.com...
Yep! They want to burn these sickos and i agree but when it comets to the
queers, oh hey that's just fine now harm there. Pretty frigging twisted
way of thinking for sure.
Two lesbians fucking each other in the privacy of their own home isn't as
harmful as a priests buttfucking children.
Allow me to clear that up for you.
Rationalizing one perversion by pointing to the severity of another is
NOT sensible!
Let me clear THAT up for you!
We DON'T endorse drunk driving by pointing to other impaired driving.
It's all good, next thing they'll defend is the beastiality boys.
Kinda like "defending" the buttfucking child-sodomizing clergy by drawing
attention to homosexuals.
Pointing out that homos shouldn't adopt isn't a defense of ***** fucking
cat-licking priests though, is it???
Now if I said priests should adopt, then....
Next thing you'll defend is witch-burning and the
persecution of guys like Galileo.
Why the ***** would I do that?
You're the one grading atrocities and perversions, not me.
I just say kids need normal pair bonded parents to model from.
That also means that if their parents are polygamists or group sex
swingers they're bing harmed, btw.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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26 Apr 2006 04:19:28 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I just say kids need normal pair bonded parents to model from.
So you think that parents who get divorced should have child custody
stripped from both parents?
That also means that if their parents are polygamists or group sex
swingers they're bing harmed, btw.
And when a divorced parent remarries, thereby practicing serial
polygamy?
What is really harmful to kids is being around such judgmental
self-righteous hypocrites as you, loser.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 06:27:54 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I just say kids need normal pair bonded parents to model from.
So you think that parents who get divorced should have child custody
stripped from both parents?
***** klingon, I was not talking to YOU!
That also means that if their parents are polygamists or group sex
swingers they're bing harmed, btw.
And when a divorced parent remarries,
***** klingon fool.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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27 Apr 2006 09:44:03 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I just say kids need normal pair bonded parents to model from.
So you think that parents who get divorced should have child custody
stripped from both parents?
***** klingon, I was not talking to YOU!
Sorry, loser, but you have not yet learned to trim your newsgroups, so
in fact you were.
Of course on Usenet it doesn't matter whether you are talking to me or
not. I have the right to reply anyway.
That also means that if their parents are polygamists or group sex
swingers they're bing harmed, btw.
And when a divorced parent remarries,
***** klingon fool.
Can't deal with the response, so you resort to blustering.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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27 Apr 2006 10:15:43 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
I just say kids need normal pair bonded parents to model from.
So you think that parents who get divorced should have child custody
stripped from both parents?
***** klingon, I was not talking to YOU!
Sorry, loser,
ESAD
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 01:49:23 PM |
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gatt wrote:
Two lesbians fucking each other in the privacy of their own home isn't as
harmful
Btw - 2 lesbos going at it is generally seen as HOT, unless one of them
talks like Wayne Newton and has a buzz cut!
LOL!
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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26 Apr 2006 04:28:41 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
Two lesbians fucking each other in the privacy of their own home isn't as
harmful
Btw - 2 lesbos going at it is generally seen as HOT, unless one of them
talks like Wayne Newton and has a buzz cut!
Matthew 5:28
but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her
has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Proverbs 6:32:
He who commits adultery with a woman is void of understanding. He who
does it destroys his own soul.
Therefore, anyone who thinks that "lesbos going at it" are HOT is void
of understanding.
But then we already knew that about you, loser.
lojbab
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| User: "samurai" |
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26 Apr 2006 06:28:24 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
gatt wrote:
Two lesbians fucking each other in the privacy of their own home isn't as
harmful
Btw - 2 lesbos going at it is generally seen as HOT, unless one of them
talks like Wayne Newton and has a buzz cut!
Matthew 5:28
Born again Bob????
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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27 Apr 2006 09:44:54 PM |
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samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Born again Bob????
Yep.
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| User: "samurai" |
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27 Apr 2006 10:16:50 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
samurai <sam@rai.ki> wrote:
Born again Bob????
Yep.
I doubt it.
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| User: "gatt" |
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19 Apr 2006 01:03:46 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145406575.280840.9520@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Well, if you want to say that some crackpot theories from university
professors
You'd be more qualified to talk about crackpot theories from university
professors if you'd ever been to a university and studied under them, and if
you didn't come out here trying to tell everybody you, an uneducated welder,
proved Isaac friggin' Newton wrong and as provenence, you published it on
the internet and actual educated scientists rejected it.
If there's a crackpot theorist out here, it's you. Ask around.
No one else who ever lived wrote or spoke the same way Peter did.
You know this because you were told to know it in the same way you accuse
science of being wrong. Ergo, your points contradict each other. ie,
"crackpot."
-c
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