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"Dominic Torrazzi" |
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13 Apr 2006 05:43:24 PM |
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You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
If you need any evidence that the theocrats don't understand science,
statistics, or logic - have a read.
You bet your life
Posted: April 13, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
When Judas Iscariot agreed to deliver Jesus to the chief priests on Maundy
Thursday some 2,000 years ago, he was betting that Jesus was not who He
claimed to be - the son of God. Judas' payoff was 30 pieces of silver.
However, that betrayal cost Judas his life. History has shown this wager was
against impossible odds.
Today, many are going against the odds and making that same wager.
Just what are the odds that Jesus was God's son?
Although, we will not know with absolute certainty until we die and are
confronted by our Maker, overwhelming statistical probability is considered
proof by the scientific community. For example, DNA evidence is often the
proof needed to get a crime conviction, even though the probability of a
match may be 1 in a quintillion (1 with 18 zeros after it) or one in 10 to
the 29th power if using a full profile.
Consider the proof in the Bible that Jesus was who He said He was.
The Hebrew Scriptures pointed the way to the promised Messiah and went into
great detail about His birth, life and death through prophecy. These
prophecies were made many years before Jesus' birth and the Dead Sea Scrolls
confirm that they remained unchanged.
Oxford scholar Alfred Edersheim compiled a list of 456 identifying
characteristics of the Messiah from these prophecies that were fulfilled by
Jesus.
Dr. Peter Stoner, professor emeritus of science at Westmont College,
calculated the probability of one man fulfilling just the major prophecies
with the help of 12 different classes of 600 college students. Then, he took
more conservative figures to the Committee of the American Scientific
Affiliation and had them verified using the data supplied in the Bible.
Stoner looked at these eight prophecies:
Born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
A messenger was sent to prepare the way (Malachi 3:1).
Made a triumphant entry into Jerusalem as a king riding on a lowly donkey
(Zechariah 9:9).
Betrayed by a friend that resulted in wounds in the hands (Zechariah 13:6).
Price of betrayal was 30 pieces of silver (Zechariah 11:12).
The blood money was used to buy a potter's field (Zechariah 11:13).
Offered no defense at his trial (Isaiah 53:7).
His hands and feet were pierced (Psalm 22:16).
The estimate of one man fulfilling all eight of these prophecies was a
staggering 10 to the 17th power, a number with 17 zeroes after it.
In another calculation, he used 48 prophecies and came up with a probability
of 10 to the 157th power, an impossible figure to achieve without Divine
intervention.
Exactly what do these numbers mean?
Stoner gave us this example. Ten to the 17th power would be the number of
silver dollars needed to cover the entire state of Texas, two feet deep.
To help us visualize 10 to the 157th power, Stoner chose one of the smallest
known objects, the electron. An electron is so small that it would take 2.5
x 1,000,000,000,000,000 of them laid side by side to make a line, single
file, one inch long.
Space, according to some estimates, extends in all directions to a distance
of 6 million light-years. Dr. Stoner asked us to imagine a solid ball of
electrons the size of space. Now fit that space-size ball of electrons, into
a ball of electrons 10 to the 157th power. How big of a dent would our
space-size ball make? It would make a hole so small that it would not be
noticeable.
Remember, that number 10 to the 157th power represents the probability of
one man fulfilling just 48 of these prophesies and there were 456 that Dr.
Stoner and his mathematicians could have used.
Let us go back to the odds that one man could have fulfilled just those
first eight prophecies. Imagine that one of the silver dollars covering the
state of Texas, two feet thick, was marked in red fingernail polish. You are
given the task of walking throughout Texas, reaching down and selecting the
right one on the first try. Suppose your very life was on the line. Could
you do it?
Would you bet your life on that?
Of course you would not, but that is, in effect, what you are doing when
you, like Judas, decide to reject the tremendous amount of evidence that
Jesus Christ was the son of God and the only way to the Father.
Christ willingly laid down His life to pay the price for our sins in order
to give us the gift of eternal life. It is a free gift - yours to accept or
reject.
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01 May 2006 09:41:09 AM |
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On 30 Apr 2006 22:11:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:04:33 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 22:05:38 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 12:20:50 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:47:29 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Still didn't answer the question, Mr Free Will.
Well, I had two suggestions. Why not put some idle people to work
producing and processing food for people who are needy, and some idle
people, maybe high school dropouts, building suitable housing for
homeless people. Then we could say, If you work hard and do a good
job, maybe the government will compensate you in some way for your
labor. Or maybe not. The people in this government might all be over
at the gambling casino or down at the bar drinking.
You're bobbing and weaving.
Who's going to do the 'directing'?
If not you, are you going to appoint the people who will do the
'directing'?
Well bring some people around who want to do this, and we will take it
from there. If you don't want to do it, maybe we could find a homeless
person who would.
Your failure to answer the question is noted.
Your failure to produce any people is noted. So are you going to the
casino this afternoon?
Why should I 'produce' any people?
It's your plan to direct people into worthwhile activities.
Who's going to do the directing, Mr Free Will?
Your refusal to answer the question is noted, again.
Well, there does not appear to be any interest in worthwhile
activities. When there is, let me know.
Great non answer.
Well, let me see. You wanted to know who could be the one to direct
worthwhile activities, otherwise, no one in the world would
participate. The one I would like to see directing such activities
would be Jesus Christ.
So free will goes out the window.
By no means. The people will be learning about free will while
participating in the activities they have chosen. Since Satan is not a
good leader, individual people will become weary of following him
around and after much sorrow decide to do something right.
Don't you get dizzy spinning around in circles?
I don't spin around in circles. What made you think I did?
Robert B. Winn
First you posted "direct people into worthwhile activities."
Never explaining who will do the directing.
Then you changed it to "participating in the activities they have
chosen. ".
You're spinning. Big time.
mr_antone
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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01 May 2006 10:28:02 AM |
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mr_antone wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 22:11:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:04:33 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 22:05:38 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 12:20:50 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:47:29 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Still didn't answer the question, Mr Free Will.
Well, I had two suggestions. Why not put some idle people to work
producing and processing food for people who are needy, and some idle
people, maybe high school dropouts, building suitable housing for
homeless people. Then we could say, If you work hard and do a good
job, maybe the government will compensate you in some way for your
labor. Or maybe not. The people in this government might all be over
at the gambling casino or down at the bar drinking.
You're bobbing and weaving.
Who's going to do the 'directing'?
If not you, are you going to appoint the people who will do the
'directing'?
Well bring some people around who want to do this, and we will take it
from there. If you don't want to do it, maybe we could find a homeless
person who would.
Your failure to answer the question is noted.
Your failure to produce any people is noted. So are you going to the
casino this afternoon?
Why should I 'produce' any people?
It's your plan to direct people into worthwhile activities.
Who's going to do the directing, Mr Free Will?
Your refusal to answer the question is noted, again.
Well, there does not appear to be any interest in worthwhile
activities. When there is, let me know.
Great non answer.
Well, let me see. You wanted to know who could be the one to direct
worthwhile activities, otherwise, no one in the world would
participate. The one I would like to see directing such activities
would be Jesus Christ.
So free will goes out the window.
By no means. The people will be learning about free will while
participating in the activities they have chosen. Since Satan is not a
good leader, individual people will become weary of following him
around and after much sorrow decide to do something right.
Don't you get dizzy spinning around in circles?
I don't spin around in circles. What made you think I did?
Robert B. Winn
First you posted "direct people into worthwhile activities."
Never explaining who will do the directing.
Then you changed it to "participating in the activities they have
chosen. ".
You're spinning. Big time.
Well, as I recall, you convinced me that there were no people who would
do anything worthwhile, so I said, Let them participate in the
activities they have chosen until they decide to do something
worthwhile. Then they can decide for themselves which they like
better.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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01 May 2006 10:46:11 AM |
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On 1 May 2006 08:28:02 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 22:11:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:04:33 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 22:05:38 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 12:20:50 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:47:29 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Still didn't answer the question, Mr Free Will.
Well, I had two suggestions. Why not put some idle people to work
producing and processing food for people who are needy, and some idle
people, maybe high school dropouts, building suitable housing for
homeless people. Then we could say, If you work hard and do a good
job, maybe the government will compensate you in some way for your
labor. Or maybe not. The people in this government might all be over
at the gambling casino or down at the bar drinking.
You're bobbing and weaving.
Who's going to do the 'directing'?
If not you, are you going to appoint the people who will do the
'directing'?
Well bring some people around who want to do this, and we will take it
from there. If you don't want to do it, maybe we could find a homeless
person who would.
Your failure to answer the question is noted.
Your failure to produce any people is noted. So are you going to the
casino this afternoon?
Why should I 'produce' any people?
It's your plan to direct people into worthwhile activities.
Who's going to do the directing, Mr Free Will?
Your refusal to answer the question is noted, again.
Well, there does not appear to be any interest in worthwhile
activities. When there is, let me know.
Great non answer.
Well, let me see. You wanted to know who could be the one to direct
worthwhile activities, otherwise, no one in the world would
participate. The one I would like to see directing such activities
would be Jesus Christ.
So free will goes out the window.
By no means. The people will be learning about free will while
participating in the activities they have chosen. Since Satan is not a
good leader, individual people will become weary of following him
around and after much sorrow decide to do something right.
Don't you get dizzy spinning around in circles?
I don't spin around in circles. What made you think I did?
Robert B. Winn
First you posted "direct people into worthwhile activities."
Never explaining who will do the directing.
Then you changed it to "participating in the activities they have
chosen. ".
You're spinning. Big time.
Well, as I recall, you convinced me that there were no people who would
do anything worthwhile, so I said, Let them participate in the
activities they have chosen until they decide to do something
worthwhile. Then they can decide for themselves which they like
better.
Robert B. Winn
Asking you who will do the "directing" means I convinced you that
there were no people who would do anything worthwhile, Mr Dizzy?
mr_antone
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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01 May 2006 11:57:35 AM |
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mr_antone wrote:
On 1 May 2006 08:28:02 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 22:11:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:04:33 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 22:05:38 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 12:20:50 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:47:29 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Still didn't answer the question, Mr Free Will.
Well, I had two suggestions. Why not put some idle people to work
producing and processing food for people who are needy, and some idle
people, maybe high school dropouts, building suitable housing for
homeless people. Then we could say, If you work hard and do a good
job, maybe the government will compensate you in some way for your
labor. Or maybe not. The people in this government might all be over
at the gambling casino or down at the bar drinking.
You're bobbing and weaving.
Who's going to do the 'directing'?
If not you, are you going to appoint the people who will do the
'directing'?
Well bring some people around who want to do this, and we will take it
from there. If you don't want to do it, maybe we could find a homeless
person who would.
Your failure to answer the question is noted.
Your failure to produce any people is noted. So are you going to the
casino this afternoon?
Why should I 'produce' any people?
It's your plan to direct people into worthwhile activities.
Who's going to do the directing, Mr Free Will?
Your refusal to answer the question is noted, again.
Well, there does not appear to be any interest in worthwhile
activities. When there is, let me know.
Great non answer.
Well, let me see. You wanted to know who could be the one to direct
worthwhile activities, otherwise, no one in the world would
participate. The one I would like to see directing such activities
would be Jesus Christ.
So free will goes out the window.
By no means. The people will be learning about free will while
participating in the activities they have chosen. Since Satan is not a
good leader, individual people will become weary of following him
around and after much sorrow decide to do something right.
Don't you get dizzy spinning around in circles?
I don't spin around in circles. What made you think I did?
Robert B. Winn
First you posted "direct people into worthwhile activities."
Never explaining who will do the directing.
Then you changed it to "participating in the activities they have
chosen. ".
You're spinning. Big time.
Well, as I recall, you convinced me that there were no people who would
do anything worthwhile, so I said, Let them participate in the
activities they have chosen until they decide to do something
worthwhile. Then they can decide for themselves which they like
better.
Robert B. Winn
Asking you who will do the "directing" means I convinced you that
there were no people who would do anything worthwhile, Mr Dizzy?
Well, yes it did. When was there a shortage of people who wanted to
do the directing until this came up?
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "mr_antone mr_antone@" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
01 May 2006 12:17:21 PM |
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On 1 May 2006 09:57:35 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 1 May 2006 08:28:02 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 30 Apr 2006 22:11:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 25 Apr 2006 06:04:33 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 22:05:38 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 12:20:50 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 24 Apr 2006 06:40:51 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 22 Apr 2006 20:47:29 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
mr_antone wrote:
On 21 Apr 2006 09:05:54 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Still didn't answer the question, Mr Free Will.
Well, I had two suggestions. Why not put some idle people to work
producing and processing food for people who are needy, and some idle
people, maybe high school dropouts, building suitable housing for
homeless people. Then we could say, If you work hard and do a good
job, maybe the government will compensate you in some way for your
labor. Or maybe not. The people in this government might all be over
at the gambling casino or down at the bar drinking.
You're bobbing and weaving.
Who's going to do the 'directing'?
If not you, are you going to appoint the people who will do the
'directing'?
Well bring some people around who want to do this, and we will take it
from there. If you don't want to do it, maybe we could find a homeless
person who would.
Your failure to answer the question is noted.
Your failure to produce any people is noted. So are you going to the
casino this afternoon?
Why should I 'produce' any people?
It's your plan to direct people into worthwhile activities.
Who's going to do the directing, Mr Free Will?
Your refusal to answer the question is noted, again.
Well, there does not appear to be any interest in worthwhile
activities. When there is, let me know.
Great non answer.
Well, let me see. You wanted to know who could be the one to direct
worthwhile activities, otherwise, no one in the world would
participate. The one I would like to see directing such activities
would be Jesus Christ.
So free will goes out the window.
By no means. The people will be learning about free will while
participating in the activities they have chosen. Since Satan is not a
good leader, individual people will become weary of following him
around and after much sorrow decide to do something right.
Don't you get dizzy spinning around in circles?
I don't spin around in circles. What made you think I did?
Robert B. Winn
First you posted "direct people into worthwhile activities."
Never explaining who will do the directing.
Then you changed it to "participating in the activities they have
chosen. ".
You're spinning. Big time.
Well, as I recall, you convinced me that there were no people who would
do anything worthwhile, so I said, Let them participate in the
activities they have chosen until they decide to do something
worthwhile. Then they can decide for themselves which they like
better.
Robert B. Winn
Asking you who will do the "directing" means I convinced you that
there were no people who would do anything worthwhile, Mr Dizzy?
Well, yes it did. When was there a shortage of people who wanted to
do the directing until this came up?
Who said anything about a shortage?
You posted "People could be directed into worthwhile activities"
I asked "Who's going to do the directing?"
Answer the question.
mr_antone
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| User: "grandwazoo" |
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22 Apr 2006 01:54:35 AM |
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rbwinn wrote:
grandwazoo wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145513528.986042.5630@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
There can be evil without money. A penniless homeless person can be
evil. It is not the money that is evil, it is love of money that
causes evil.
Again, you're demonstrating the limit of your intellectual racetrack. We
already had this discussion.
Money does not drive a pedophile father to molest his child. Money does
not drive a pedophile Father to molest his altar boy.
Money is an inanimate object. Any value it has is imaginary. Today
money is nothing more than pieces of paper and copper coins almost
without value except for the imaginations of men. Love of money is
what causes the actions you describe.
Robert B. Winn
Not imaginary. If you print money and no one agrees that it has value,
then it is imaginary or play money. Money (currency) has value because
it represents a value and that people by virtue of government agree has
a value. It represents goods, service, labor and value added in discrete
amounts. It simplifies the complexities of a barter system. Your wage or
profit can be converted to a hair cut or something, even if the barber
has no need of your particular service or product to barter.
Well, when I was growing up, my mother used to cut my hair. It did not
cost anyone a thing. How do you explain it?
Money (currency) does not really have value. If we lived in a society
where people were honest, people could do whatever needs to be done
without exchanging money. The only motivation that would be needed
would be whether or not a particular thing needed to be done. People
could be directed into worthwhile activities instead of spending all
their time satisfying the lust for money that is the motivation for
activity today.
Robert B. Winn
How would *People could be directed into worthwhile activities instead
of spending all their time satisfying? This is the difficulty with an
Ideal Utopia. You would need to direct, since people will economize
their own time and effort. I personally would resent any effort to
direct my efforts without some gain. We would soon see that those
directors become tyrants. Money is worthwhile only because it represents
a way to convert your efforts for someone else's. It is a utility. Money
for the sake of money misses the point.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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01 May 2006 12:36:45 PM |
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grandwazoo wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
grandwazoo wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145513528.986042.5630@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
There can be evil without money. A penniless homeless person can be
evil. It is not the money that is evil, it is love of money that
causes evil.
Again, you're demonstrating the limit of your intellectual racetrack. We
already had this discussion.
Money does not drive a pedophile father to molest his child. Money does
not drive a pedophile Father to molest his altar boy.
Money is an inanimate object. Any value it has is imaginary. Today
money is nothing more than pieces of paper and copper coins almost
without value except for the imaginations of men. Love of money is
what causes the actions you describe.
Robert B. Winn
Not imaginary. If you print money and no one agrees that it has value,
then it is imaginary or play money. Money (currency) has value because
it represents a value and that people by virtue of government agree has
a value. It represents goods, service, labor and value added in discrete
amounts. It simplifies the complexities of a barter system. Your wage or
profit can be converted to a hair cut or something, even if the barber
has no need of your particular service or product to barter.
Well, when I was growing up, my mother used to cut my hair. It did not
cost anyone a thing. How do you explain it?
Money (currency) does not really have value. If we lived in a society
where people were honest, people could do whatever needs to be done
without exchanging money. The only motivation that would be needed
would be whether or not a particular thing needed to be done. People
could be directed into worthwhile activities instead of spending all
their time satisfying the lust for money that is the motivation for
activity today.
Robert B. Winn
How would *People could be directed into worthwhile activities instead
of spending all their time satisfying? This is the difficulty with an
Ideal Utopia. You would need to direct, since people will economize
their own time and effort. I personally would resent any effort to
direct my efforts without some gain. We would soon see that those
directors become tyrants. Money is worthwhile only because it represents
a way to convert your efforts for someone else's. It is a utility. Money
for the sake of money misses the point.
Well, it will not happen until everyone agrees to accept the direction
of Jesus Christ, which will be after he returns to judge the earth.
Robert B. Winn
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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| Title: Re: You Have Got To Read This Wingnut Column |
01 May 2006 12:44:11 PM |
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On 1 May 2006 10:36:45 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Well, it will not happen until everyone agrees to accept the direction
of Jesus Christ,
Ah -- you demand that Your superstition be the only one other folks
should follow.
... which will be after he returns to judge the earth.
But with Your help, of course.
As his agent, you're clearly doing it now.
Ane yes -- you're still boring.
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| User: "Don Homuth" |
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17 Apr 2006 12:53:58 PM |
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On 17 Apr 2006 10:52:19 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Which explains why televangelists are rich.
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| User: "rbwinn" |
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17 Apr 2006 01:00:16 PM |
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Don Homuth wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 10:52:19 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Which explains why televangelists are rich.
Exactly, which should tell you who they represent.
Robert B. Winn
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17 Apr 2006 01:29:27 PM |
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On 17 Apr 2006 11:00:16 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 10:52:19 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Which explains why televangelists are rich.
Exactly, which should tell you who they represent.
Themselves. As most Preachifiers do.
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| User: "Larry the Free" |
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17 Apr 2006 02:50:33 PM |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 10:52:19 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Which explains why televangelists are rich.
Exactly, which should tell you who they represent.
They tell us it's Geezis...
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"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
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17 Apr 2006 11:49:58 PM |
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Larry the Free wrote:
Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
Don Homuth wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 10:52:19 -0700, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
The love of money is the root of all evil.
Which explains why televangelists are rich.
Exactly, which should tell you who they represent.
They tell us it's Geezis...
Wait until you see what Jesus Christ tells them.
Robert B. Winn
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17 Apr 2006 02:50:06 PM |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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Jesus Christ was the one who said that no one would come to the
Father except by him.
Could you post the tape of this..?
John 14:6 No man cometh unto the Father but by me.
"If you don't come see Me today, I can't save you any money!"
=c
The love of money is the root of all evil.
"All" evil..?
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17 Apr 2006 11:55:36 PM |
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Larry the Free wrote:
Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145287803.759375.227330@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Jesus Christ was the one who said that no one would come to the
Father except by him.
Could you post the tape of this..?
John 14:6 No man cometh unto the Father but by me.
"If you don't come see Me today, I can't save you any money!"
=c
The love of money is the root of all evil.
"All" evil..?
All evil.
Robert B. Winn
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18 Apr 2006 02:35:54 AM |
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rbwinn wrote:
Larry the Free wrote:
Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145287803.759375.227330@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Jesus Christ was the one who said that no one would come to the
Father except by him.
Could you post the tape of this..?
John 14:6 No man cometh unto the Father but by me.
"If you don't come see Me today, I can't save you any money!"
=c
The love of money is the root of all evil.
"All" evil..?
All evil.
Robert B. Winn
I would suggest that money or greed is only one of the deadly sins. Much
evil has been done in the name of pride (ego, self-aggrandizement) or
the lust for power for power sake or revenge as a powerful motive. I
think you can find many examples of great evils that has been done to
our fellow humans that does not have a root in money. I think you also
can find examples of motives that are not inherently evil, but have been
the root of great evils. For example, religious movements, which have
inflicted war and torture on the unbelievers. The motives are justified
in the name of their deities, the results are no less evil in the
suffering inflicted.
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18 Apr 2006 10:13:49 AM |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, grandwazoo <grand@nospam.com> said:
rbwinn wrote:
Larry the Free wrote:
Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com>
said:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145287803.759375.227330@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Jesus Christ was the one who said that no one would come to the
Father except by him.
Could you post the tape of this..?
John 14:6 No man cometh unto the Father but by me.
"If you don't come see Me today, I can't save you any money!"
=c
The love of money is the root of all evil.
"All" evil..?
All evil.
Robert B. Winn
I would suggest that money or greed is only one of the deadly sins.
Much evil has been done in the name of pride (ego,
self-aggrandizement) or the lust for power for power sake or revenge
as a powerful motive. I think you can find many examples of great
evils that has been done to our fellow humans that does not have a
root in money. I think you also can find examples of motives that are
not inherently evil, but have been the root of great evils. For
example, religious movements, which have inflicted war and torture on
the unbelievers. The motives are justified in the name of their
deities, the results are no less evil in the suffering inflicted.
What can you expect from a one-trick pony..?
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Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
"I've come here to enjoy nature. Don't talk to me
about the environment!" - 'Denny Crane'
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18 Apr 2006 08:48:57 AM |
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grandwazoo wrote:
rbwinn wrote:
Larry the Free wrote:
Waiving the right to remain silent, "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> said:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145287803.759375.227330@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
Jesus Christ was the one who said that no one would come to the
Father except by him.
Could you post the tape of this..?
John 14:6 No man cometh unto the Father but by me.
"If you don't come see Me today, I can't save you any money!"
=c
The love of money is the root of all evil.
"All" evil..?
All evil.
Robert B. Winn
I would suggest that money or greed is only one of the deadly sins. Much
evil has been done in the name of pride (ego, self-aggrandizement) or
the lust for power for power sake or revenge as a powerful motive. I
think you can find many examples of great evils that has been done to
our fellow humans that does not have a root in money. I think you also
can find examples of motives that are not inherently evil, but have been
the root of great evils. For example, religious movements, which have
inflicted war and torture on the unbelievers. The motives are justified
in the name of their deities, the results are no less evil in the
suffering inflicted.
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Robert B. Winn
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18 Apr 2006 11:58:30 AM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because soldiers wear
them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets are made from it.
Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc...
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18 Apr 2006 12:19:44 PM |
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Waiving the right to remain silent, "gatt"
<LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com> said:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145368137.686998.175460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars
tend to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because
soldiers wear them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets
are made from it. Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc...
That mindless jerkoff has one note...
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20 Apr 2006 01:07:08 AM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145368137.686998.175460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because soldiers wear
them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets are made from it.
Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money. Honest people would not even
need money.
Robert B. Winn
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20 Apr 2006 12:40:01 PM |
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Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money.
INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
JESUS, COME TAKE THIS GUY OUT OF OUR MISERY.
-c
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20 Apr 2006 11:41:35 PM |
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gatt wrote:
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money.
INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
JESUS, COME TAKE THIS GUY OUT OF OUR MISERY.
No, it has to do with money. Jesus Christ never used money. The only
apostle he had who carried around money became a traitor. Whenever
people asked him what they needed to do, he told them to give their
money to the poor and follow him.
If you will notice, people who set themselves up as representatives of
Jesus Christ for money, usually get into various kinds of immorality.
That is where the money takes them.
Robert B. Winn
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21 Apr 2006 12:41:28 PM |
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
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INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
No, it has to do with money.
If you will notice, people who set themselves up as representatives of
Jesus Christ for money, usually get into various kinds of immorality.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REPRESENTATIVES OF JESUS CHRIST OR MONEY. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT INCEST.
BEGONE YA FRIGGIN' LOON. JESUS WOULD DISAPPROVE OF TEASING STUPID PEOPLE,
AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S LEFT HERE TO DO WITH YOU.
(Otoh, maybe he'd approve of it since your Anti-Christ.)
-c
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22 Apr 2006 10:11:39 PM |
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gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145594495.526403.100280@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
No, it has to do with money.
If you will notice, people who set themselves up as representatives of
Jesus Christ for money, usually get into various kinds of immorality.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REPRESENTATIVES OF JESUS CHRIST OR MONEY. WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT INCEST.
BEGONE YA FRIGGIN' LOON. JESUS WOULD DISAPPROVE OF TEASING STUPID PEOPLE,
AND THAT'S ALL THAT'S LEFT HERE TO DO WITH YOU.
(Otoh, maybe he'd approve of it since your Anti-Christ.)
Well, you go to your church, and I will go to mine. Here in the
United States you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.
Robert B. Winn
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21 Apr 2006 12:02:06 AM |
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In article <1145594495.526403.100280@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money.
INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
JESUS, COME TAKE THIS GUY OUT OF OUR MISERY.
No, it has to do with money. Jesus Christ never used money. The only
apostle he had who carried around money became a traitor. Whenever
people asked him what they needed to do, he told them to give their
money to the poor and follow him.
If you will notice, people who set themselves up as representatives of
Jesus Christ for money, usually get into various kinds of immorality.
That is where the money takes them.
I think you need to demonstrate how you arrived at this on a Cartesian grid.
Use as many dimensions as you need (seven?). Show your work.
Is it safe to assume that Jesus and Satan are at opposite ends of the y-axis?
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22 Apr 2006 10:07:41 PM |
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Sam Rouse wrote:
In article <1145594495.526403.100280@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote:
gatt wrote:
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money.
INCEST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY YOU FUCKING LOON! BISHOPS DON'T
SODOMIZE ALTAR BOYS FOR CASH.
JESUS, COME TAKE THIS GUY OUT OF OUR MISERY.
No, it has to do with money. Jesus Christ never used money. The only
apostle he had who carried around money became a traitor. Whenever
people asked him what they needed to do, he told them to give their
money to the poor and follow him.
If you will notice, people who set themselves up as representatives of
Jesus Christ for money, usually get into various kinds of immorality.
That is where the money takes them.
I think you need to demonstrate how you arrived at this on a Cartesian grid.
Use as many dimensions as you need (seven?). Show your work.
Is it safe to assume that Jesus and Satan are at opposite ends of the y-axis?
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Well, you are the one with the set of Cartesian coordinates. I would
personally use the widow's two mites. I don't think it is safe to
assume anything about your set of coordinates.
Robert B. Winn
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20 Apr 2006 11:27:13 AM |
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In article <1145513228.059307.81040@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145368137.686998.175460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because soldiers wear
them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets are made from it.
Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money. Honest people would not even
need money.
Honest people can photosynthesize?
-- cary
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20 Apr 2006 11:35:46 AM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1145513228.059307.81040@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145368137.686998.175460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because soldiers wear
them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets are made from it.
Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money. Honest people would not even
need money.
Honest people can photosynthesize?
Photosynthesis takes place in plants, not money.
Rober B. Winn
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20 Apr 2006 12:00:38 PM |
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In article <1145550946.479822.219770@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1145513228.059307.81040@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> writes:
gatt wrote:
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1145368137.686998.175460@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
I guess you had never noticed that religious people who start wars tend
to collect money before they do it.
Well that's like saying shoes are the root of all evil because soldiers wear
them, or metal is the root of all evil because bullets are made from it.
Wool is the root of all evil.
Still doesn't explain incest, pedophelia, lust, etc
Believe me, it all has to do with money. Honest people would not even
need money.
Honest people can photosynthesize?
Photosynthesis takes place in plants, not money.
Perhaps I was being too subtle; allow me to try again:
Believe me, it all has to do with money. Honest people would not even
need money.
Honest people don't need to eat?
-- cary
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