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"galathaea" |
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20 Nov 2006 11:21:42 PM |
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$$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
if you want a correspondence theory of truth
the orthomodularists would seem to have you bagged
science is the field that brings
operationalism to the masses
where patterns are identified [named]
through mutualist games of identity
(called language)
and that science offers
as its most-likely models
" orthomodular lattices of truth "
-+-+-+-
the physicists have abstracted the concept
of measuring
(or "making an observation")
into the results of projection operators in a hilbert space
in a sense
this is the physicists model of science
a mathematical definition of expectation
model associations may be built
between observed space
( the degrees of freedom in our
input
or sensory space )
and modeled space
( used for predictions )
-+-+-
the geometry of the space is crucial
to the logic that can be used
for propositions over it
because that is what physics does:
geometric associations
( both the sensory space
and the model space
are geometric spaces )
we identify patterns in spaces
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
if we were to take our model space
as some euclidean space
then our functional logic
would be a full boolean lattice
and we might have justification
for aristotelianism
because we can then prove distributivity
as a direct consequence
of the commutativity of functions over R^n
but that does not seem to obey
the statistics of our observed world
spin projections do not commute
we seem to live in an almost commutative world
where things appear
as philosophers have babbled about
with the common logic of the ages
but it is actually an algebraic deformation away
with noncommutativity controlled by planck's parameter
and loss of boolean reasoning in many circumstances
-+-
orthomodularism does give
y = x /\ (y \/ -x)
and it turns out that this relationship
is preserved in quantum deformation
as hilbert space projection operators
obey this relationship
but this "-x" is a very strange sort of negation
mackey
piron
and others struggled to provide
an operationalist interpretation for this negation
and only recently has it been shown
that galois adjunction lies at the heart
of the state space / property lattice
relationship
pulling back an observed property
to prior state propositions
restores the correspondence theory of truth
providing quantaloidal interpretations
over heyting algebras
so again
the constructivists might win this war
even though i felt
as a reformed orthomodularist
that their voice should be heard
-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
palimpsest and overabused
the ideas continued their furious dreaming
a netherworld of neverness
nascent in the blooming revolution
a word
unspoken
indistinguishable from the vacuum
it desperately inhales
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galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "Fooled By Folksy Republicans" |
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| Title: Re: $$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
21 Nov 2006 12:00:36 AM |
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"galathaea" <galathaea@veawb.coop> wrote in message
news:galathaea-2011062121420001@10.0.1.2...
if you want a correspondence theory of truth
the orthomodularists would seem to have you bagged
Hey, I had one of those '70s stereo systems too, way back when! Great
sound!
science is the field that brings
operationalism to the masses
Not when the Hermitian operator boundary conditions aren't satisfied, it
isn't. Please endeavor to be more precise in these political newgroups next
time!
where patterns are identified [named]
through mutualist games of identity
(called language)
An examination of this orthogonalization process will reveal this to be an
arbitrary feature.
and that science offers
as its most-likely models
" orthomodular lattices of truth "
Bessel functions appear often in physical systems, yes.
-+-+-+-
the physicists have abstracted the concept
of measuring
(or "making an observation")
into the results of projection operators in a hilbert space
You're being too infinite-dimensional here: simplify, simplify, simplify!
in a sense
this is the physicists model of science
a mathematical definition of expectation
Certain Parseval relations may be derived using the Dirac delta function
representation, true.
model associations may be built
between observed space
( the degrees of freedom in our
input
or sensory space )
and modeled space
( used for predictions )
Liar! You neglect the normalization of Coulomb wave functions and the
computation of probabilities in statistical mechanics!
I'm fed up with your constant failure to recognize that vector spherical
harmonics may be developed as a result of coupling L units of orbital
angular momentum and 1 unit of spin angular momentum!
<PLONK!>
Fooled By Folksy Republicans
-+-+-
the geometry of the space is crucial
to the logic that can be used
for propositions over it
because that is what physics does:
geometric associations
( both the sensory space
and the model space
are geometric spaces )
we identify patterns in spaces
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
if we were to take our model space
as some euclidean space
then our functional logic
would be a full boolean lattice
and we might have justification
for aristotelianism
because we can then prove distributivity
as a direct consequence
of the commutativity of functions over R^n
but that does not seem to obey
the statistics of our observed world
spin projections do not commute
we seem to live in an almost commutative world
where things appear
as philosophers have babbled about
with the common logic of the ages
but it is actually an algebraic deformation away
with noncommutativity controlled by planck's parameter
and loss of boolean reasoning in many circumstances
-+-
orthomodularism does give
y = x /\ (y \/ -x)
and it turns out that this relationship
is preserved in quantum deformation
as hilbert space projection operators
obey this relationship
but this "-x" is a very strange sort of negation
mackey
piron
and others struggled to provide
an operationalist interpretation for this negation
and only recently has it been shown
that galois adjunction lies at the heart
of the state space / property lattice
relationship
pulling back an observed property
to prior state propositions
restores the correspondence theory of truth
providing quantaloidal interpretations
over heyting algebras
so again
the constructivists might win this war
even though i felt
as a reformed orthomodularist
that their voice should be heard
-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
palimpsest and overabused
the ideas continued their furious dreaming
a netherworld of neverness
nascent in the blooming revolution
a word
unspoken
indistinguishable from the vacuum
it desperately inhales
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "galathaea" |
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| Title: $$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
21 Nov 2006 09:52:46 PM |
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In article <9Cw8h.274$pW3.37@newsfe04.lga>,
"Fooled By Folksy Republicans" <Easily@SuckeredElectorate.Con> wrote:
!! "galathaea" <galathaea@veawb.coop> wrote in message
!! news:galathaea-2011062121420001@10.0.1.2...
!! >
!! > if you want a correspondence theory of truth
!! > the orthomodularists would seem to have you bagged
!!
!! Hey, I had one of those '70s stereo systems too, way back when! Great
!! sound!
this is not just a thing of the past!
real decision making is affected
there is very little
that is commonly accepted as truth
among all people
if logic were universal
then control would be complete
it is not
listen to that in high-fidelity
!! >
!! > science is the field that brings
!! > operationalism to the masses
!!
!! Not when the Hermitian operator boundary conditions aren't satisfied, it
!! isn't. Please endeavor to be more precise in these political newgroups next
!! time!
it is fair to question why
there have been times
and there have been polls
where a majority of americans
connected 9/11 to the invasion of iraq
many of these connections were
causal relationships that have never been demonstrated
using rules of repeatable inference
market research has advanced the study
of human belief logics
further than the academic studies of logic
this is a dangerous situation to be in
the most comprehensive studies
of human correlative systematics
are to be found in advertising firms
google
government intelligence agencies
!! > where patterns are identified [named]
!! > through mutualist games of identity
!! > (called language)
!!
!! An examination of this orthogonalization process will reveal this to be an
!! arbitrary feature.
!!
!! >
!! > and that science offers
!! > as its most-likely models
!! >
!! > " orthomodular lattices of truth "
!!
!! Bessel functions appear often in physical systems, yes.
the antiamerican party
is dedicated to the investigation of "practical logics"
in the recognition that modifying social structures
requires scientific research into their dynamics
that engineering requires observation
in order to deconstruct power
we must understand how the power structure is built
bring it down safely
controlled demolition
!! > the physicists have abstracted the concept
!! > of measuring
!! > (or "making an observation")
!! > into the results of projection operators in a hilbert space
!!
!! You're being too infinite-dimensional here: simplify, simplify, simplify!
processes do not always terminate
!! > in a sense
!! > this is the physicists model of science
!! >
!! > a mathematical definition of expectation
!!
!! Certain Parseval relations may be derived using the Dirac delta function
!! representation, true.
!!
!!
!!
!! >
!! > model associations may be built
!! > between observed space
!! > ( the degrees of freedom in our
!! > input
!! > or sensory space )
!! > and modeled space
!! > ( used for predictions )
!!
!! Liar! You neglect the normalization of Coulomb wave functions and the
!! computation of probabilities in statistical mechanics!
!!
!! I'm fed up with your constant failure to recognize that vector spherical
!! harmonics may be developed as a result of coupling L units of orbital
!! angular momentum and 1 unit of spin angular momentum!
!!
!! <PLONK!>
!!
!! Fooled By Folksy Republicans
i may be a liar
but i hardly neglect such important details
my undergraduate research was specifically on
antihydrogen recombination through 3-body positronic decays
and stark mixing required i acknowledge my harmonics
but that had very little to do with the logic of reality
as commutative effects were much stronger and relevant
to the simulations
what is important
though
is that the commonly accepted logic
is a logic of consumerism
that folk-logic
supports the system that abuses it
!! >
!! > -+-+-
!! >
!! > the geometry of the space is crucial
!! > to the logic that can be used
!! > for propositions over it
!! >
!! > because that is what physics does:
!! > geometric associations
!! > ( both the sensory space
!! > and the model space
!! > are geometric spaces )
!! >
!! > we identify patterns in spaces
!! >
!! > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
!! >
!! > if we were to take our model space
!! > as some euclidean space
!! > then our functional logic
!! > would be a full boolean lattice
!! >
!! > and we might have justification
!! > for aristotelianism
!! >
!! > because we can then prove distributivity
!! > as a direct consequence
!! > of the commutativity of functions over R^n
!! >
!! > but that does not seem to obey
!! > the statistics of our observed world
!! >
!! > spin projections do not commute
!! >
!! > we seem to live in an almost commutative world
!! > where things appear
!! > as philosophers have babbled about
!! > with the common logic of the ages
!! >
!! > but it is actually an algebraic deformation away
!! > with noncommutativity controlled by planck's parameter
!! > and loss of boolean reasoning in many circumstances
!! >
!! > -+-
!! >
!! > orthomodularism does give
!! > y = x /\ (y \/ -x)
!! >
!! > and it turns out that this relationship
!! > is preserved in quantum deformation
!! > as hilbert space projection operators
!! > obey this relationship
!! >
!! > but this "-x" is a very strange sort of negation
!! >
!! > mackey
!! > piron
!! > and others struggled to provide
!! > an operationalist interpretation for this negation
!! >
!! > and only recently has it been shown
!! > that galois adjunction lies at the heart
!! > of the state space / property lattice
!! > relationship
!! >
!! > pulling back an observed property
!! > to prior state propositions
!! > restores the correspondence theory of truth
!! >
!! > providing quantaloidal interpretations
!! > over heyting algebras
!! >
!! > so again
!! > the constructivists might win this war
!! > even though i felt
!! > as a reformed orthomodularist
!! > that their voice should be heard
!! >
!! > -z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
!! >
!! > palimpsest and overabused
!! > the ideas continued their furious dreaming
!! >
!! > a netherworld of neverness
!! > nascent in the blooming revolution
!! >
!! > a word
!! > unspoken
!! >
!! > indistinguishable from the vacuum
!! > it desperately inhales
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "Jan Burse" |
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| Title: Re: $$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
21 Nov 2006 12:38:18 PM |
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why can't people
write normal sentences
on one line
and instead write so that
it looks like a poem
but in fact
it is damed stupid boring
galathaea wrote:
if you want a correspondence theory of truth
the orthomodularists would seem to have you bagged
science is the field that brings
operationalism to the masses
where patterns are identified [named]
through mutualist games of identity
(called language)
and that science offers
as its most-likely models
" orthomodular lattices of truth "
-+-+-+-
the physicists have abstracted the concept
of measuring
(or "making an observation")
into the results of projection operators in a hilbert space
in a sense
this is the physicists model of science
a mathematical definition of expectation
model associations may be built
between observed space
( the degrees of freedom in our
input
or sensory space )
and modeled space
( used for predictions )
-+-+-
the geometry of the space is crucial
to the logic that can be used
for propositions over it
because that is what physics does:
geometric associations
( both the sensory space
and the model space
are geometric spaces )
we identify patterns in spaces
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
if we were to take our model space
as some euclidean space
then our functional logic
would be a full boolean lattice
and we might have justification
for aristotelianism
because we can then prove distributivity
as a direct consequence
of the commutativity of functions over R^n
but that does not seem to obey
the statistics of our observed world
spin projections do not commute
we seem to live in an almost commutative world
where things appear
as philosophers have babbled about
with the common logic of the ages
but it is actually an algebraic deformation away
with noncommutativity controlled by planck's parameter
and loss of boolean reasoning in many circumstances
-+-
orthomodularism does give
y = x /\ (y \/ -x)
and it turns out that this relationship
is preserved in quantum deformation
as hilbert space projection operators
obey this relationship
but this "-x" is a very strange sort of negation
mackey
piron
and others struggled to provide
an operationalist interpretation for this negation
and only recently has it been shown
that galois adjunction lies at the heart
of the state space / property lattice
relationship
pulling back an observed property
to prior state propositions
restores the correspondence theory of truth
providing quantaloidal interpretations
over heyting algebras
so again
the constructivists might win this war
even though i felt
as a reformed orthomodularist
that their voice should be heard
-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
palimpsest and overabused
the ideas continued their furious dreaming
a netherworld of neverness
nascent in the blooming revolution
a word
unspoken
indistinguishable from the vacuum
it desperately inhales
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: $$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
21 Nov 2006 12:53:05 PM |
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Jan Burse wrote:
why can't people
write normal sentences
on one line
and instead write so that
it looks like a poem
but in fact
it is damed stupid boring
Hell, why not get rid of reading altogether and go back to memorizing
everything?
....Nevertheless, by the fifth century B.C, books existed in
considerable numbers in Greece. If we believe Socrates, education has
been on a downward spiral ever since. According to Plato, Socrates
caught one of his students (Phaedrus) pretending to recite a speech
from memory that in fact he had learned from a written version.
Socrates then told Phaedrus the story of how the god Theuth offered the
King of Egypt the gift of writing, which would be a 'recipe for both
memory and wisdom'. The king was not impressed. According to the king,
'it [writing] will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will
cease to exercise memory because they will rely on what is written,
creating memory not from within themselves, but by means of external
symbols. What you have discovered is a recipe not for memory, but for
reminding. And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but
only its semblance [virtual wisdom?], for by telling them many things
without teaching them anything, you will make them seem to know much,
while for the most part they will know nothing. And as men filled not
with wisdom but the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their
fellow men.' --Phaedrus, 274c-275
This passage illustrates several key points about educational
technology that are just as relevant today as they were in the time of
Socrates and Plato. For instance, there is discussion as we write this
about issuing medical students with PDAs (personal digital assistants,
e.g. Palm Pilots) while on the wards, so that they can look up drug
treatments as they need to. They are using technology to remind
themselves, rather than using memory. Does this though make them less
effective doctors?
http://www.batesandpoole.ubc.ca/chapter-3.html
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| User: "galathaea" |
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| Title: $$ orthomodularism and quantum desiderata $ logic wars $$ |
21 Nov 2006 09:52:10 PM |
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dans <4563479A.3070303@fastmail.fm>,
Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> ecrit:
!! why can't people
!! write normal sentences
!! on one line
!!
!! and instead write so that
!! it looks like a poem
!!
!! but in fact
!! it is damed stupid boring
you are an impatient learner
jan
they often make the best...
i am sorry my writing is
broken
jan
but you do not have authority
over my coding standards
and when i write differently
i encounter more difficulty
pauses and stutterings
that interrupt my thought and lose connections
it is likely linked to some
visual or auditory obsession of mine
and i notice that zen teachers
often express themselves similarly
which is comforting
so i do what is comfortable for me
even though it is broken
-+-
i suspect you desire more mathematics
may i suggest that galois adjunctions
lay at the heart of the connection between
quantales (complete residuated semigroups)
and locales (frames, from denotational computer science)
that this relationship is operational
is why sheaf theoretical quantum consistent histories
are verificationist quantum logics
there is "a primer on galois connections"
by erne, koslowski, melton, and strecker
available online
that is a good start in studies on this
they use proper sentences
!! galathaea wrote:
!!
!! > if you want a correspondence theory of truth
!! > the orthomodularists would seem to have you bagged
!! >
!! > science is the field that brings
!! > operationalism to the masses
!! >
!! > where patterns are identified [named]
!! > through mutualist games of identity
!! > (called language)
!! >
!! > and that science offers
!! > as its most-likely models
!! >
!! > " orthomodular lattices of truth "
!! >
!! > -+-+-+-
!! >
!! > the physicists have abstracted the concept
!! > of measuring
!! > (or "making an observation")
!! > into the results of projection operators in a hilbert space
!! >
!! > in a sense
!! > this is the physicists model of science
!! >
!! > a mathematical definition of expectation
!! >
!! > model associations may be built
!! > between observed space
!! > ( the degrees of freedom in our
!! > input
!! > or sensory space )
!! > and modeled space
!! > ( used for predictions )
!! >
!! > -+-+-
!! >
!! > the geometry of the space is crucial
!! > to the logic that can be used
!! > for propositions over it
!! >
!! > because that is what physics does:
!! > geometric associations
!! > ( both the sensory space
!! > and the model space
!! > are geometric spaces )
!! >
!! > we identify patterns in spaces
!! >
!! > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
!! >
!! > if we were to take our model space
!! > as some euclidean space
!! > then our functional logic
!! > would be a full boolean lattice
!! >
!! > and we might have justification
!! > for aristotelianism
!! >
!! > because we can then prove distributivity
!! > as a direct consequence
!! > of the commutativity of functions over R^n
!! >
!! > but that does not seem to obey
!! > the statistics of our observed world
!! >
!! > spin projections do not commute
!! >
!! > we seem to live in an almost commutative world
!! > where things appear
!! > as philosophers have babbled about
!! > with the common logic of the ages
!! >
!! > but it is actually an algebraic deformation away
!! > with noncommutativity controlled by planck's parameter
!! > and loss of boolean reasoning in many circumstances
!! >
!! > -+-
!! >
!! > orthomodularism does give
!! > y = x /\ (y \/ -x)
!! >
!! > and it turns out that this relationship
!! > is preserved in quantum deformation
!! > as hilbert space projection operators
!! > obey this relationship
!! >
!! > but this "-x" is a very strange sort of negation
!! >
!! > mackey
!! > piron
!! > and others struggled to provide
!! > an operationalist interpretation for this negation
!! >
!! > and only recently has it been shown
!! > that galois adjunction lies at the heart
!! > of the state space / property lattice
!! > relationship
!! >
!! > pulling back an observed property
!! > to prior state propositions
!! > restores the correspondence theory of truth
!! >
!! > providing quantaloidal interpretations
!! > over heyting algebras
!! >
!! > so again
!! > the constructivists might win this war
!! > even though i felt
!! > as a reformed orthomodularist
!! > that their voice should be heard
!! >
!! > -z-z-z-z-z-z-z-
!! >
!! > palimpsest and overabused
!! > the ideas continued their furious dreaming
!! >
!! > a netherworld of neverness
!! > nascent in the blooming revolution
!! >
!! > a word
!! > unspoken
!! >
!! > indistinguishable from the vacuum
!! > it desperately inhales
!! >
!! > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
!! > galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
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